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On 04/30/2025 5:17 PM, CrudeSausage wrote:
Another reason not to use Microsoft's software: they are activelyThat has been obvious since the DOS days
destroying jobs for human beings.
<https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2025/04/30/microsoft-ceo-satya-nadella-
reveals-30-of-companys-code-written-by-ai/>
In a discussion at Meta’s inaugural “LlamaCon” AI developer event,
Microsoft CEO Satya Nadella and Meta CEO Mark Zuckerberg shed light on
the growing role of artificial intelligence in software development
within their respective companies. Nadella claims that up to 30 percent
of Microsoft’s code is now written by AI.
CNBC reports that during a conversation at Meta’s LlamaCon AI developer
event in Silicon Valley Microsoft CEO Satya Nadella revealed that as
much as 30 percent of the company’s code is now written by AI. This
startling revelation highlights the rapid integration of AI in the
software development process.
Nadella emphasized that the percentage of AI-generated code within
Microsoft’s repositories is steadily increasing. When asked about the
extent of AI’s involvement in Meta’s code generation, CEO Mark
Zuckerberg, while unable to provide an exact figure, shared that the
company is developing an AI model capable of building future versions
of their Llama family of AI models.
“Our bet is sort of that in the next year probably … maybe half the
development is going to be done by AI, as opposed to people, and then
that will just kind of increase from there,” Zuckerberg said.
The statements from Nadella and Zuckerberg underscore the significant
shift occurring in the software development landscape. With Microsoft
and Meta employing tens of thousands of software developers, the impact
of AI on the industry is becoming increasingly apparent. The launch of
OpenAI’s ChatGPT in late 2022 has accelerated the adoption of AI for
various tasks, ranging from customer service to sales pitches and
software development itself.
Microsoft and Meta are not alone in this trend. Google CEO Sundar
Pichai previously stated that more than 25 percent of new code at
Google was written by AI. Similarly, Shopify CEO Tobi Lutke recently
instructed employees to prove that AI cannot perform a job before
requesting additional headcount. Duolingo CEO Luis von Ahn also
announced plans to gradually replace human contractors with AI.
On 04/30/2025 5:17 PM, CrudeSausage wrote:
Another reason not to use Microsoft's software: they are activelyThat has been obvious since the DOS days
destroying jobs for human beings.
<https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2025/04/30/microsoft-ceo-satya-
nadella- reveals-30-of-companys-code-written-by-ai/>
In a discussion at Meta’s inaugural “LlamaCon” AI developer event,
Microsoft CEO Satya Nadella and Meta CEO Mark Zuckerberg shed light on
the growing role of artificial intelligence in software development
within their respective companies. Nadella claims that up to 30
percent of Microsoft’s code is now written by AI.
CNBC reports that during a conversation at Meta’s LlamaCon AI
developer event in Silicon Valley Microsoft CEO Satya Nadella revealed
that as much as 30 percent of the company’s code is now written by AI.
This startling revelation highlights the rapid integration of AI in
the software development process.
Nadella emphasized that the percentage of AI-generated code within
Microsoft’s repositories is steadily increasing. When asked about the
extent of AI’s involvement in Meta’s code generation, CEO Mark
Zuckerberg, while unable to provide an exact figure, shared that the
company is developing an AI model capable of building future versions
of their Llama family of AI models.
“Our bet is sort of that in the next year probably … maybe half the
development is going to be done by AI, as opposed to people, and then
that will just kind of increase from there,” Zuckerberg said.
The statements from Nadella and Zuckerberg underscore the significant
shift occurring in the software development landscape. With Microsoft
and Meta employing tens of thousands of software developers, the
impact of AI on the industry is becoming increasingly apparent. The
launch of OpenAI’s ChatGPT in late 2022 has accelerated the adoption
of AI for various tasks, ranging from customer service to sales
pitches and software development itself.
Microsoft and Meta are not alone in this trend. Google CEO Sundar
Pichai previously stated that more than 25 percent of new code at
Google was written by AI. Similarly, Shopify CEO Tobi Lutke recently
instructed employees to prove that AI cannot perform a job before
requesting additional headcount. Duolingo CEO Luis von Ahn also
announced plans to gradually replace human contractors with AI.
Another reason not to use Microsoft's software: they are actively
destroying jobs for human beings.
That has been obvious since the DOS days
On Wed, 30 Apr 2025 19:27:20 -0400, knuttle <keith_nuttle@yahoo.com> wrote
in <vuubkp$1ahuo$1@dont-email.me>:
On 04/30/2025 5:17 PM, CrudeSausage wrote:
Another reason not to use Microsoft's software: they are activelyThat has been obvious since the DOS days
destroying jobs for human beings.
<https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2025/04/30/microsoft-ceo-satya-nadella-
reveals-30-of-companys-code-written-by-ai/>
In a discussion at Meta’s inaugural “LlamaCon” AI developer event, >>> Microsoft CEO Satya Nadella and Meta CEO Mark Zuckerberg shed light on
the growing role of artificial intelligence in software development
within their respective companies. Nadella claims that up to 30 percent
of Microsoft’s code is now written by AI.
CNBC reports that during a conversation at Meta’s LlamaCon AI developer >>> event in Silicon Valley Microsoft CEO Satya Nadella revealed that as
much as 30 percent of the company’s code is now written by AI. This
startling revelation highlights the rapid integration of AI in the
software development process.
Nadella emphasized that the percentage of AI-generated code within
Microsoft’s repositories is steadily increasing. When asked about the
extent of AI’s involvement in Meta’s code generation, CEO Mark
Zuckerberg, while unable to provide an exact figure, shared that the
company is developing an AI model capable of building future versions
of their Llama family of AI models.
“Our bet is sort of that in the next year probably … maybe half the
development is going to be done by AI, as opposed to people, and then
that will just kind of increase from there,” Zuckerberg said.
The statements from Nadella and Zuckerberg underscore the significant
shift occurring in the software development landscape. With Microsoft
and Meta employing tens of thousands of software developers, the impact
of AI on the industry is becoming increasingly apparent. The launch of
OpenAI’s ChatGPT in late 2022 has accelerated the adoption of AI for
various tasks, ranging from customer service to sales pitches and
software development itself.
Microsoft and Meta are not alone in this trend. Google CEO Sundar
Pichai previously stated that more than 25 percent of new code at
Google was written by AI. Similarly, Shopify CEO Tobi Lutke recently
instructed employees to prove that AI cannot perform a job before
requesting additional headcount. Duolingo CEO Luis von Ahn also
announced plans to gradually replace human contractors with AI.
But the hell of it is: with _competent_ humans reviewing
the AI code, it should save work.
See my report to comp.ai.shells where I gave ChatGPT the output of
"ifconfig -a", and had it spit back a netplan yaml file, then walk
me through editing into the file some policy routing rules...and other strange and wonderful tasks.
Another reason not to use Microsoft's software: they are actively
destroying jobs for human beings.
<https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2025/04/30/microsoft-ceo-satya-nadella-reveals-30-of-companys-code-written-by-ai/>
In a discussion at MetaÆs inaugural ôLlamaConö AI developer event,
Microsoft CEO Satya Nadella and Meta CEO Mark Zuckerberg shed light on
the growing role of artificial intelligence in software development
within their respective companies. Nadella claims that up to 30 percent
of MicrosoftÆs code is now written by AI.
CNBC reports that during a conversation at MetaÆs LlamaCon AI developer
event in Silicon Valley Microsoft CEO Satya Nadella revealed that as
much as 30 percent of the companyÆs code is now written by AI. This
startling revelation highlights the rapid integration of AI in the
software development process.
On 4/30/25 09:05 PM, vallor wrote:
On Wed, 30 Apr 2025 19:27:20 -0400, knuttle <keith_nuttle@yahoo.com>Granted I don't have CoPilot write an operating system, but I have had a
wrote
in <vuubkp$1ahuo$1@dont-email.me>:
On 04/30/2025 5:17 PM, CrudeSausage wrote:
Another reason not to use Microsoft's software: they are activelyThat has been obvious since the DOS days
destroying jobs for human beings.
<https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2025/04/30/microsoft-ceo-satya-nadella- >>>> reveals-30-of-companys-code-written-by-ai/>
In a discussion at Meta’s inaugural “LlamaCon” AI developer event, >>>> Microsoft CEO Satya Nadella and Meta CEO Mark Zuckerberg shed light on >>>> the growing role of artificial intelligence in software development
within their respective companies. Nadella claims that up to 30 percent >>>> of Microsoft’s code is now written by AI.
CNBC reports that during a conversation at Meta’s LlamaCon AI developer >>>> event in Silicon Valley Microsoft CEO Satya Nadella revealed that as
much as 30 percent of the company’s code is now written by AI. This
startling revelation highlights the rapid integration of AI in the
software development process.
Nadella emphasized that the percentage of AI-generated code within
Microsoft’s repositories is steadily increasing. When asked about the >>>> extent of AI’s involvement in Meta’s code generation, CEO Mark
Zuckerberg, while unable to provide an exact figure, shared that the
company is developing an AI model capable of building future versions
of their Llama family of AI models.
“Our bet is sort of that in the next year probably … maybe half the >>>> development is going to be done by AI, as opposed to people, and then
that will just kind of increase from there,” Zuckerberg said.
The statements from Nadella and Zuckerberg underscore the significant
shift occurring in the software development landscape. With Microsoft
and Meta employing tens of thousands of software developers, the impact >>>> of AI on the industry is becoming increasingly apparent. The launch of >>>> OpenAI’s ChatGPT in late 2022 has accelerated the adoption of AI for >>>> various tasks, ranging from customer service to sales pitches and
software development itself.
Microsoft and Meta are not alone in this trend. Google CEO Sundar
Pichai previously stated that more than 25 percent of new code at
Google was written by AI. Similarly, Shopify CEO Tobi Lutke recently
instructed employees to prove that AI cannot perform a job before
requesting additional headcount. Duolingo CEO Luis von Ahn also
announced plans to gradually replace human contractors with AI.
But the hell of it is: with _competent_ humans reviewing
the AI code, it should save work.
See my report to comp.ai.shells where I gave ChatGPT the output of
"ifconfig -a", and had it spit back a netplan yaml file, then walk
me through editing into the file some policy routing rules...and other
strange and wonderful tasks.
few code snippets written for my own purposes. And I do like how it explains what it does, and I can ask for slight changes, even a
different approach if I find it doesn't work in my case.
On Wed, 30 Apr 2025 17:17:49 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:
Another reason not to use Microsoft's software: they are actively
destroying jobs for human beings.
Apparently Google is doing much the same.
CrudeSausage wrote:
Another reason not to use Microsoft's software: they are actively
destroying jobs for human beings.
<https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2025/04/30/microsoft-ceo-satya-nadella-reveals-30-of-companys-code-written-by-ai/>
In a discussion at Meta’s inaugural “LlamaCon” AI developer event,
Microsoft CEO Satya Nadella and Meta CEO Mark Zuckerberg shed light on
the growing role of artificial intelligence in software development
within their respective companies. Nadella claims that up to 30 percent
of Microsoft’s code is now written by AI.
CNBC reports that during a conversation at Meta’s LlamaCon AI developer
event in Silicon Valley Microsoft CEO Satya Nadella revealed that as
much as 30 percent of the company’s code is now written by AI. This
startling revelation highlights the rapid integration of AI in the
software development process.
Thank God for AI! An improved Farcebook experience is a genuine asset
and a huge improvement to our lives and to our global competitiveness!
Meanwhile, China applies AI and robotics to increase manufacturing efficiencies, out-pacing us *ever more*.
CrudeSausage wrote:
Another reason not to use Microsoft's software: they are actively >>destroying jobs for human beings.
<https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2025/04/30/microsoft-ceo-satya-nadella-reveals-30-of-companys-code-written-by-ai/>
In a discussion at Metas inaugural LlamaCon AI developer event, >>Microsoft CEO Satya Nadella and Meta CEO Mark Zuckerberg shed light on
the growing role of artificial intelligence in software development
within their respective companies. Nadella claims that up to 30 percent
of Microsofts code is now written by AI.
CNBC reports that during a conversation at Metas LlamaCon AI developer >>event in Silicon Valley Microsoft CEO Satya Nadella revealed that as
much as 30 percent of the companys code is now written by AI. This >>startling revelation highlights the rapid integration of AI in the
software development process.
Thank God for AI! An improved Farcebook experience is a genuine asset
and a huge improvement to our lives and to our global competitiveness!
Meanwhile, China applies AI and robotics to increase manufacturing efficiencies, out-pacing us *ever more*.
["Followup-To:" header set to comp.os.linux.advocacy.]
On 2025-05-01, chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote:
CrudeSausage wrote:
Another reason not to use Microsoft's software: they are actively
destroying jobs for human beings.
<https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2025/04/30/microsoft-ceo-satya-nadella-reveals-30-of-companys-code-written-by-ai/>
In a discussion at Metas inaugural LlamaCon AI developer event,
Microsoft CEO Satya Nadella and Meta CEO Mark Zuckerberg shed light on
the growing role of artificial intelligence in software development
within their respective companies. Nadella claims that up to 30 percent
of Microsofts code is now written by AI.
CNBC reports that during a conversation at Metas LlamaCon AI developer >>> event in Silicon Valley Microsoft CEO Satya Nadella revealed that as
much as 30 percent of the companys code is now written by AI. This
startling revelation highlights the rapid integration of AI in the
software development process.
Thank God for AI! An improved Farcebook experience is a genuine asset
and a huge improvement to our lives and to our global competitiveness!
Meanwhile, China applies AI and robotics to increase manufacturing
efficiencies, out-pacing us *ever more*.
Yeah, the West is screwed. Priorities are all mixed up.
China will build an army and manufacturing capacity, and we'll be
building better web tracking, ad deployment techniques and food delivery apps.
The fact that AI can produce code can be useful for people learning how
to program, but you want that human touch either way. I would bet that
AI is not as concerned as humans are in the quality of the code.
Yeah, the West is screwed. Priorities are all mixed up.
China will build an army and manufacturing capacity, and we'll be
building better web tracking, ad deployment techniques and food delivery apps.
On 2025-04-30 19:27, knuttle wrote:
That has been obvious since the DOS days
I don't believe they had the processing power for an AI
to produce code for them. However, if you have any evidence,
I'd love to see it.
On 2025-05-01 08:11, chrisv wrote:
CrudeSausage wrote:
Another reason not to use Microsoft's software: they are actively
destroying jobs for human beings.
<https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2025/04/30/microsoft-ceo-satya-nadella-reveals-30-of-companys-code-written-by-ai/>
In a discussion at Meta’s inaugural “LlamaCon” AI developer event, >>> Microsoft CEO Satya Nadella and Meta CEO Mark Zuckerberg shed light on
the growing role of artificial intelligence in software development
within their respective companies. Nadella claims that up to 30 percent
of Microsoft’s code is now written by AI.
CNBC reports that during a conversation at Meta’s LlamaCon AI developer >>> event in Silicon Valley Microsoft CEO Satya Nadella revealed that as
much as 30 percent of the company’s code is now written by AI. This
startling revelation highlights the rapid integration of AI in the
software development process.
Thank God for AI! An improved Farcebook experience is a genuine asset
and a huge improvement to our lives and to our global competitiveness!
Meanwhile, China applies AI and robotics to increase manufacturing
efficiencies, out-pacing us *ever more*.
Is that a fact or simply propaganda the Chinese have broadcast to give everyone that impression?
Either way, it seems our new Prime Minister is intent on aligning Canada with the
interests of China despite the fact that the United States is directly to the south of us. I hope it's not true, but it wouldn't shock me in the least.
On Wed, 30 Apr 2025 19:27:20 -0400, knuttle wrote:
That has been obvious since the DOS days
This is true.
Anyone who has ever "programmed" with Visual Studio knows that automated
code generation is present throughout.
Example. Invoke a window or other graphical object and a huge mass of code is automatically dropped in place.
Another example. Write some short statments within ASP.NET and a huge
mass of javascript appears from nowhere.
In fact, most "programming" of any kind is simply stringing together standard,
pre-built modules to achieve an overall goal.
AI can easily do the same thing.
On 2025-05-01 04:22, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
On Wed, 30 Apr 2025 17:17:49 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:
Another reason not to use Microsoft's software: they are actively
destroying jobs for human beings.
Apparently Google is doing much the same.
That might explain why the guy I went to high school with, who was
Director of Engineering at Microsoft and then Google, now works
for some AI company called Snowflake.
On Thu, 1 May 2025 08:56:39 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:
The fact that AI can produce code can be useful for people learning how
to program, but you want that human touch either way. I would bet that
AI is not as concerned as humans are in the quality of the code.
That's becoming a cliche on the Arduino subreddit. A newbie will wander in with a pile of crap generated by ChatGPT and want help figuring out why it doesn't work.
https://www.theregister.com/2025/04/30/openai_pulls_plug_on_chatgpt
So much for the kinder, gentler AI.
On Thu, 5/1/2025 8:51 AM, CrudeSausage wrote:
On 2025-05-01 04:22, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
On Wed, 30 Apr 2025 17:17:49 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:
Another reason not to use Microsoft's software: they are actively
destroying jobs for human beings.
Apparently Google is doing much the same.
That might explain why the guy I went to high school with, who was
Director of Engineering at Microsoft and then Google, now works
for some AI company called Snowflake.
Only the persons using those tools, can tell us whether
they're good enough to replace someone. I'm not convinced
the behavior of the agents is good enough at the moment,
to remove anyone.
People are constantly removed in big companies. There
can be a 5%-10% turnover rate, just based on performance.
That's going to continue.
Technical jobs require synthesis and analysis. The lower
levels of the synthesis are being nibbled at. There's
no reason to panic quite yet.
One problem at Microsoft, is working in a department
with a rather large head count, and not being given work
which is key to the success of your department. There
are likely a large number of people who could be
terminated at a moments notice. All they need,
is an excuse to belt tighten. Is there such a
reason to belt tighten ? if so, THEN I would be worried.
We had people like that at my work. Given jobs that
did not contribute a lot. No opportunity to look like
stars. They still had jobs though. But it's rather
thin ice to be standing on, and there were few
opportunities to move in the company, to a star-maker
position. This is just the nature of the industry.
But if it is deemed an axe must fall, it cuts deep.
That's how Intel can lay of 20,000 people. A lot
of people, standing on thin ice for a long time. And
no place to run. The lower level management knew
exactly what they were doing.
General Motors, at one point, knew it wanted to
hire 10,000 people, because of the "software content
of cars". When you announce you are hiring in such
numbers, what does that tell you about the star-maker
nature of the positions ? That's 100 "good" jobs, and
9900 people standing on thin ice. When the axe falls
later, it will cut deep.
Paul
Either way, it seems our new Prime Minister is intent on aligning Canada
with the interests of China despite the fact that the United States is directly to the south of us.
I think that the [US] is screwed because China has already infiltrated
the electoral process here and installed people loyal to their state.
The Matrix pretty much made it clear how we fare in the eventual war
against the machines we created.
We had people like that at my work. Given jobs that did not contribute a
lot. No opportunity to look like stars. They still had jobs though. But
it's rather thin ice to be standing on, and there were few opportunities
to move in the company, to a star-maker position. This is just the
nature of the industry.
On Thu, 1 May 2025 10:33:28 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:
I think that the [US] is screwed because China has already infiltrated
the electoral process here and installed people loyal to their state.
You can easily tell who they are, though: they are the ones making
decisions that are weakening the US and turning it into an international laughing stock vis-à-vis the rest of the world, including China.
On Thu, 1 May 2025 09:00:07 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:
Either way, it seems our new Prime Minister is intent on aligning Canada
with the interests of China despite the fact that the United States is
directly to the south of us.
As opposed to the other guy, who was intent on sucking up to a foreign
despot who was wanting to annex his land and destroy his country’s identity?
Did you really think he deserved anything less than to lose, not
only the election, but his electorate seat as well, after promoting such a boneheaded policy as that?
On Thu, 1 May 2025 19:16:55 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:
The Matrix pretty much made it clear how we fare in the eventual war
against the machines we created.
I never understood the fundamental premise of that movie: if everything is
a fantasy, why wouldn’t every inhabitant of the Matrix effectively be like a god?
On 2025-05-01 20:48, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
On Thu, 1 May 2025 10:33:28 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:
I think that the [US] is screwed because China has already infiltrated
the electoral process here and installed people loyal to their state.
You can easily tell who they are, though: they are the ones making
decisions that are weakening the US and turning it into an
international laughing stock vis-à-vis the rest of the world, including
China.
Yep, and they're all within the Democratic party and most of them are
located in California.
For instance, you cannot possibly run faster than x, you also couldn't
ever be more muscular than y. To break through those limits, you would
have to be special (anomalies or bugs in the system), and agents were deployed to squash you back into the walled garden.
Trump didn't like Poilièvre because he was combative. He actually
preferred the ecological tyrant that got elected on Monday.
It would be a stretch(leap of faith/pipe dream/ignorance) to claim that replacing humans, support, sales, software development with AI code
during the DOS days....
Paul wrote:verification of human written or existing code). Additionally AI at the same time had some penetration in speech, gaming, and data(feedback - known and/or reported issues)analysis.
On Wed, 4/30/2025 9:19 PM, CrudeSausage wrote:Fyi...
On 2025-04-30 19:27, knuttle wrote:
That has been obvious since the DOS days
I don't believe they had the processing power for an AI
to produce code for them. However, if you have any evidence,
I'd love to see it.
https://www.wired.com/story/minecraft-ai-code-microsoft/
"Microsoft’s Copilot was made available to a limited number of testers
in June 2021 and is now being used by over 10,000 developers who are
producing, on average, around 35 percent of their code in popular >> languages like Python and Java using Copilot, Microsoft says. The >> company plans to make Copilot available for anyone to download this summer.
To build something like the Minecraft bot, developers would need to work
with the underlying AI model, Codex.
Both Codex and Copilot have stirred up some anxiety among developers,
who fear they could be automated out of a job. The Minecraft demo >> could inspire similar concerns. But Scott says the feedback on Copilot
has been largely positive, suggesting that it simply automates more >> tedious coding tasks. “If you talk to a developer who actually uses a
Copilot, they'll say ‘this is such a great tool,’” he says. >>
I guess we'll know, when the first wave of layoffs start :-)
But when your rich uncle pays for all the electricity,
the balance sheet for this approach does not matter.
I drive a Cadillac to the dump... "because the roads are
so bad there".
Paul
AI internally was in use in specific areas around 2014 and in development a few years earlier - primarily two platforms - [1]Cortana and [2]Windows(the former based on existing data local and cloud based, the latter a tool to write code for
- a case could even be made for even earlier use(circa 2009) where machine learning was in use for [3]Windows Live Search based on and from acquisitions that developed tools using semantic/natural language search engines providing target answers touser questions(instead of keyword search). Not too distant from the more common 'Chat-AI' in use today.
All[1,2,3] had their own internal codenames independent of the respective platform codenames.
i.e. there's more history to be seen than publicly broadcast or spun with marketing terms.
It would be a stretch(leap of faith/pipe dream/ignorance) to claim that replacing humans, support, sales, software development with AI code during the DOS days....though that earlier comment did have its humorous benefit.
On Thu, 1 May 2025 21:51:13 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:
Trump didn't like Poilièvre because he was combative. He actually
preferred the ecological tyrant that got elected on Monday.
Why would you be unhappy about that, if your idol actually prefers this
guy?
On Thu, 1 May 2025 22:04:13 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:
For instance, you cannot possibly run faster than x, you also couldn't
ever be more muscular than y. To break through those limits, you would
have to be special (anomalies or bugs in the system), and agents were
deployed to squash you back into the walled garden.
I don’t understand why. Why should there be any “failures”, when all actions are effectively consequence-free?
On Thu, 1 May 2025 21:48:48 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:
On 2025-05-01 20:48, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
On Thu, 1 May 2025 10:33:28 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:
I think that the [US] is screwed because China has already infiltrated >>>> the electoral process here and installed people loyal to their state.
You can easily tell who they are, though: they are the ones making
decisions that are weakening the US and turning it into an
international laughing stock vis-à-vis the rest of the world, including >>> China.
Yep, and they're all within the Democratic party and most of them are
located in California.
“Deep State” again?
(And Biden is still running the US economy, apparently.)
On 2025-05-02 00:38, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:prioritized over American one. That's largely what happened. It's nice that Carney and Trump will get along but the problem is that Carney himself will change Canada for the worse by aggressively moving away from a resource we have in large supply and
On Thu, 1 May 2025 21:51:13 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:
Trump didn't like Poilièvre because he was combative. He actually
preferred the ecological tyrant that got elected on Monday.
Why would you be unhappy about that, if your idol actually prefers this
guy?
I like Trump and when his tariffs were announced, rather than cry like other Canadians, I saw it as a good thing because it was going to force our government to look for new customers and develop a sense of nationalism where Canadian products were
There is more but I think that is more than enough.
Neural Networks (nn, cnn, dnn) started a long time ago. But were
noteworthy for the difficulty of translating a "problem", into a
solution. One of our USENETters was an nn developer, and vended his own product. But he stopped showing up some years ago (correctly concluding
we weren't a market).
For example, all word processors and accounting software packages are
usually bundled with a plethora of boilerplate documents to suit a
variety of purposes. Do you think the average office worker will create
a dunning letter from scratch? That would be highly unlikely. Rather
they will select a standard dunning boilerplate and perhaps modify it slighly. Does that seem quiite like current AI?
On 2025-05-01 10:58, rbowman wrote:
On Thu, 1 May 2025 08:56:39 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:
The fact that AI can produce code can be useful for people learning how
to program, but you want that human touch either way. I would bet that
AI is not as concerned as humans are in the quality of the code.
That's becoming a cliche on the Arduino subreddit. A newbie will wander in >> with a pile of crap generated by ChatGPT and want help figuring out why it >> doesn't work.
https://www.theregister.com/2025/04/30/openai_pulls_plug_on_chatgpt
So much for the kinder, gentler AI.
I'm not even sure why we've all been pushing for AI anyway.
The Matrix pretty much made it clear how we fare in the
eventual war against the machines we created.
CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
Another reason not to use Microsoft's software: they are actively
destroying jobs for human beings.
Or the same number of humans are generating more code.
<https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2025/04/30/microsoft-ceo-satya-nadella-reveals-30-of-companys-code-written-by-ai/>
In a discussion at Meta’s inaugural “LlamaCon” AI developer event,
Microsoft CEO Satya Nadella and Meta CEO Mark Zuckerberg shed light on
the growing role of artificial intelligence in software development
within their respective companies. Nadella claims that up to 30 percent
of Microsoft’s code is now written by AI.
Note the "up to". You've been had by a Breitbart headline.
On 2025-05-02 00:37, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
On Thu, 1 May 2025 22:04:13 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:
For instance, you cannot possibly run faster than x, you also couldn't
ever be more muscular than y. To break through those limits, you would
have to be special (anomalies or bugs in the system), and agents were
deployed to squash you back into the walled garden.
I don’t understand why. Why should there be any “failures”, when all >> actions are effectively consequence-free?
Because the machine's systems always followed logic.
For example, humans wanted every day to be filled with sunshine and good weather, but such a thing would lead to crop failure.
A lot of the problems were also caused by human emotion, something the machine simply couldn't comprehend.
On 2025-05-02 18:55, Chris wrote:
CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
Another reason not to use Microsoft's software: they are actively
destroying jobs for human beings.
Or the same number of humans are generating more code.
<https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2025/04/30/microsoft-ceo-satya-nadella-reveals-30-of-companys-code-written-by-ai/>
In a discussion at Meta’s inaugural “LlamaCon” AI developer event, >>> Microsoft CEO Satya Nadella and Meta CEO Mark Zuckerberg shed light on
the growing role of artificial intelligence in software development
within their respective companies. Nadella claims that up to 30 percent
of Microsoft’s code is now written by AI.
Note the "up to". You've been had by a Breitbart headline.
So, you're suggesting that we shouldn't be concerned because the number might be 28 or 27?
What you really have to fear, is when AGI shows up.
It's not here yet. AGI is like Fusion, as a topic. Everyone knows Fusion
is right around the corner.
On 2025-05-02 00:37, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
On Thu, 1 May 2025 22:04:13 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:
For instance, you cannot possibly run faster than x, you also couldn't
ever be more muscular than y. To break through those limits, you would
have to be special (anomalies or bugs in the system), and agents were
deployed to squash you back into the walled garden.
I don’t understand why. Why should there be any “failures”, when all >> actions are effectively consequence-free?
Because the machine's systems always followed logic. For example, humans wanted every day to be filled with sunshine and good weather, but such a thing would lead to crop failure.
On Fri, 2 May 2025 09:08:15 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:
On 2025-05-02 00:37, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
On Thu, 1 May 2025 22:04:13 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:
For instance, you cannot possibly run faster than x, you also couldn't >>>> ever be more muscular than y. To break through those limits, you would >>>> have to be special (anomalies or bugs in the system), and agents were
deployed to squash you back into the walled garden.
I don’t understand why. Why should there be any “failures”, when all >>> actions are effectively consequence-free?
Because the machine's systems always followed logic.
Why did they have to? Put that under the control of the human inhabitants
as well.
For example, humans wanted every day to be filled with sunshine and good
weather, but such a thing would lead to crop failure.
“Let there be successful crops!” *Snaps fingers* Problem solved.
A lot of the problems were also caused by human emotion, something the
machine simply couldn't comprehend.
Let the humans themselves sort it out. That’s how it works in human society.
CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
On 2025-05-02 18:55, Chris wrote:
CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
Another reason not to use Microsoft's software: they are actively
destroying jobs for human beings.
Or the same number of humans are generating more code.
<https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2025/04/30/microsoft-ceo-satya-nadella-reveals-30-of-companys-code-written-by-ai/>
In a discussion at Meta’s inaugural “LlamaCon” AI developer event, >>>> Microsoft CEO Satya Nadella and Meta CEO Mark Zuckerberg shed light on >>>> the growing role of artificial intelligence in software development
within their respective companies. Nadella claims that up to 30 percent >>>> of Microsoft’s code is now written by AI.
Note the "up to". You've been had by a Breitbart headline.
So, you're suggesting that we shouldn't be concerned because the number
might be 28 or 27?
It's a moral panic. Why are you concerned at all?
On 2025-05-02 00:38, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
On Thu, 1 May 2025 21:51:13 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:
Trump didn't like Poilièvre because he was combative. He actually
preferred the ecological tyrant that got elected on Monday.
Why would you be unhappy about that, if your idol actually prefers this
guy?
I like Trump and when his tariffs were announced, rather than cry like
other Canadians, I saw it as a good thing because it was going to force
our government to look for new customers and develop a sense of
nationalism where Canadian products were prioritized over American one.
On 2025-05-02 00:39, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
On Thu, 1 May 2025 21:48:48 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:
On 2025-05-01 20:48, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
On Thu, 1 May 2025 10:33:28 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:
I think that the [US] is screwed because China has already
infiltrated the electoral process here and installed people loyal to >>>>> their state.
You can easily tell who they are, though: they are the ones making
decisions that are weakening the US and turning it into an
international laughing stock vis-à-vis the rest of the world,
including China.
Yep, and they're all within the Democratic party and most of them are
located in California.
“Deep State” again?
(And Biden is still running the US economy, apparently.)
Biden doesn't even run his bowels anymore. Anyone who is suggesting that
he still has a hand to play in the American economy is insane.
On 2025-05-02 18:55, Chris wrote:
CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
Another reason not to use Microsoft's software: they are actively
destroying jobs for human beings.
Or the same number of humans are generating more code.
<https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2025/04/30/microsoft-ceo-satya-nadella-reveals-30-of-companys-code-written-by-ai/>
In a discussion at Meta’s inaugural “LlamaCon” AI developer event, >>> Microsoft CEO Satya Nadella and Meta CEO Mark Zuckerberg shed
light on the growing role of artificial intelligence in software
development within their respective companies. Nadella claims that
up to 30 percent of Microsoft’s code is now written by AI.
Note the "up to". You've been had by a Breitbart headline.
So, you're suggesting that we shouldn't be concerned because the
number might be 28 or 27?
On Fri, 2 May 2025 09:11:42 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:
On 2025-05-02 00:38, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
On Thu, 1 May 2025 21:51:13 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:
Trump didn't like Poilièvre because he was combative. He actually
preferred the ecological tyrant that got elected on Monday.
Why would you be unhappy about that, if your idol actually prefers this
guy?
I like Trump and when his tariffs were announced, rather than cry like
other Canadians, I saw it as a good thing because it was going to force
our government to look for new customers and develop a sense of
nationalism where Canadian products were prioritized over American one.
But wasn’t that going against Trump’s declared goal of annexing Canada?
Or did you not agree with that part of the MAGA ideology?
On 2025-05-03 19:06, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
But wasn’t that going against Trump’s declared goal of annexing Canada? >>
Or did you not agree with that part of the MAGA ideology?
To be fair, he said that Canada would benefit from being a part of the
United States, and I agree with him on that point.
To be fair, he said that Canada would benefit from being a part of the
United States, and I agree with him on that point. He also made it clear
that the only kind of conflict he would have with Canada was an economic
one. Only those who don't understand sarcasm and humour believed that he
was willing to have any kind of armed conflict.
If there was a flood in the 51st state ...
On Sat, 3 May 2025 19:47:31 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:
On 2025-05-03 19:06, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
But wasn’t that going against Trump’s declared goal of annexing Canada? >>>
Or did you not agree with that part of the MAGA ideology?
To be fair, he said that Canada would benefit from being a part of the
United States, and I agree with him on that point.
"We’re taking care of their military," Trump said. "We're taking
care of every aspect of their lives, and we don't need them to
make cars for us. In fact, we don't want them to make cars for us.
We want to make our own cars. We don't need their lumber. We don't
need their energy. We don't need anything from Canada. And I say
the only way this thing really works is for Canada to become a
state."
<https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-says-he-wasnt-trolling-about-acquiring-greenland-canada-51st-state>
"We’re taking care of their military," Trump said. "We're taking
care of every aspect of their lives, and we don't need them to make
cars for us. In fact, we don't want them to make cars for us.
We want to make our own cars. We don't need their lumber. We don't
need their energy. We don't need anything from Canada. And I say the
only way this thing really works is for Canada to become a state."
Once its looted, the unimaginative parts (no money in 'em),
can go to hell. We want it all to look like the prosperity in upper New
York state.
On Sun, 4 May 2025 00:37:35 -0400, Paul wrote:
If there was a flood in the 51st state ...
Surely each of the 13 (?) provinces would be eligible to be a US state
in its own right.
Have the MAGA crowd considered the effect of adding such a large and
heavily Liberal-leaning voter population to the US demographic?
On Sun, 4 May 2025 00:37:35 -0400, Paul wrote:
If there was a flood in the 51st state ...
Surely each of the 13 (?) provinces would be eligible to be a US state in
its own right.
Have the MAGA crowd considered the effect of adding such a large and
heavily Liberal-leaning voter population to the US demographic?
On Sat, 5/3/2025 10:24 PM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
On Sat, 3 May 2025 19:47:31 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:They do need the lumber actually.
On 2025-05-03 19:06, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
But wasn’t that going against Trump’s declared goal of annexing Canada?
Or did you not agree with that part of the MAGA ideology?
To be fair, he said that Canada would benefit from being a part of the
United States, and I agree with him on that point.
"We’re taking care of their military," Trump said. "We're taking
care of every aspect of their lives, and we don't need them to
make cars for us. In fact, we don't want them to make cars for us.
We want to make our own cars. We don't need their lumber. We don't
need their energy. We don't need anything from Canada. And I say
the only way this thing really works is for Canada to become a
state."
<https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-says-he-wasnt-trolling-about-acquiring-greenland-canada-51st-state>
There is an area with fire damage on the west coast,
and they could use wood for the reconstruction as
part of fire cleanup.
On Sat, 3 May 2025 19:47:31 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:
To be fair, he said that Canada would benefit from being a part of the
United States, and I agree with him on that point. He also made it clear
that the only kind of conflict he would have with Canada was an economic
one. Only those who don't understand sarcasm and humour believed that he
was willing to have any kind of armed conflict.
https://www.compactmag.com/article/how-trump-won-the-canadian-election/
I'm not familiar with Comppact but Media Bias labels them right center.
They have an interesting take on how Trump trolled Canadians into a
reignited national pride that Trudeau was trying to do away with.
On Sat, 3 May 2025 19:47:31 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:
On 2025-05-03 19:06, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
But wasn’t that going against Trump’s declared goal of annexing Canada? >>>
Or did you not agree with that part of the MAGA ideology?
To be fair, he said that Canada would benefit from being a part of the
United States, and I agree with him on that point.
"We’re taking care of their military," Trump said. "We're taking
care of every aspect of their lives, and we don't need them to
make cars for us. In fact, we don't want them to make cars for us.
We want to make our own cars. We don't need their lumber. We don't
need their energy. We don't need anything from Canada. And I say
the only way this thing really works is for Canada to become a
state."
<https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-says-he-wasnt-trolling-about-acquiring-greenland-canada-51st-state>
On Sun, 4 May 2025 00:37:35 -0400, Paul wrote:
If there was a flood in the 51st state ...
Surely each of the 13 (?) provinces would be eligible to be a US state in
its own right.
Have the MAGA crowd considered the effect of adding such a large and
heavily Liberal-leaning voter population to the US demographic?
On 4/05/2025 2:37 pm, Paul wrote:
On Sat, 5/3/2025 10:24 PM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
On Sat, 3 May 2025 19:47:31 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:They do need the lumber actually.
On 2025-05-03 19:06, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
But wasn’t that going against Trump’s declared goal of annexing Canada?
Or did you not agree with that part of the MAGA ideology?
To be fair, he said that Canada would benefit from being a part of the >>>> United States, and I agree with him on that point.
"We’re taking care of their military," Trump said. "We're taking >>> care of every aspect of their lives, and we don't need them to
make cars for us. In fact, we don't want them to make cars for us. >>> We want to make our own cars. We don't need their lumber. We don't >>> need their energy. We don't need anything from Canada. And I say >>> the only way this thing really works is for Canada to become a
state."
<https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-says-he-wasnt-trolling-about-acquiring-greenland-canada-51st-state>
There is an area with fire damage on the west coast,
and they could use wood for the reconstruction as
part of fire cleanup.
Hmm! Using WOOD as part of a FIRE Clean-up?? Am I the only one seeing a problem there?? ;-P
On 2025-05-03 22:16, rbowman wrote:Canadian enterprises catering to a Canadian client base would finally get noticed. Additionally, people themselves would develop a certain distrust of the United States which only leads to renewed nationalism and a desire to find new places to sell their
On Sat, 3 May 2025 19:47:31 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:
To be fair, he said that Canada would benefit from being a part of the
United States, and I agree with him on that point. He also made it clear >>> that the only kind of conflict he would have with Canada was an economic >>> one. Only those who don't understand sarcasm and humour believed that he >>> was willing to have any kind of armed conflict.
https://www.compactmag.com/article/how-trump-won-the-canadian-election/
I'm not familiar with Comppact but Media Bias labels them right center.
They have an interesting take on how Trump trolled Canadians into a
reignited national pride that Trudeau was trying to do away with.
That's exactly what I'm saying. My wife was immediately mad about his decision, but I loved it specifically because I knew that it was going to help Canadian companies to thrive. American goods would get expensive and some jobs would be lost, but those
Trump is fixing his country, but he's also forcing us to fix ours.
Only the metropolitan areas and Atlantic provinces are left-leaning. The moment you leave Montreal, Toronto or Vancouver, the population leans
right. Much like in the United States, the high population centres have
way too much influence over who gets elected.
Much like in the United States, the high population centres have
way too much influence over who gets elected.
On Sun, 4 May 2025 08:08:09 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:
Only the metropolitan areas and Atlantic provinces are left-leaning. The
moment you leave Montreal, Toronto or Vancouver, the population leans
right. Much like in the United States, the high population centres have
way too much influence over who gets elected.
Montana and Alberta have much more in common than either do with the urban areas.
Ask an economist, for a projection.
Yep. Considering that, there's not much resistance to the idea of
joining the United States as a state now. Even Saskatchewan would be interesting in joining. I notice the northern parts of Manitoba and Saskatchewan voted for the Liberals, but the United States wouldn't want those parts anyway.
On Sun, 4 May 2025 08:08:09 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:
Much like in the United States, the high population centres have way
too much influence over who gets elected.
Actually, not enough. The Electoral College is deliberately designed to minimize the value of the vote for those who live in high-population
centres, in favour of the slave-owning states.
On Sun, 4 May 2025 21:25:18 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
On Sun, 4 May 2025 08:08:09 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:
Much like in the United States, the high population centres have way
too much influence over who gets elected.
Actually, not enough. The Electoral College is deliberately designed to
minimize the value of the vote for those who live in high-population
centres, in favour of the slave-owning states.
Er, no.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Electoral_College
It was designed to keep the less populated states from being totally trampled. This state used to have 3 votes.
On Sun, 4 May 2025 18:04:16 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:
Yep. Considering that, there's not much resistance to the idea of
joining the United States as a state now. Even Saskatchewan would be
interesting in joining. I notice the northern parts of Manitoba and
Saskatchewan voted for the Liberals, but the United States wouldn't want
those parts anyway.
Caribou vote?
If you look at the Earths surface, there are precious few markets
that qualify, that do not already have a self contained economy.