• James Carville on Harris loss: "It is and it always will be the economy

    From John Smyth@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jan 2 12:21:35 2025
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    Of course it is.
    I L_M_A_O when I see the left tossing out numbers and claiming how great
    the economy has been under Biden.
    People are not feeling the love.

    'Carville on Harris loss: ‘It is and it always will be the economy, stupid’'

    <https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/5063265-james-carville-kamala-harris-donald-trump-2024-election-economy/>

    'Democratic strategist James Carville, who coined the phrase “It’s the economy, stupid,” admitted his predictions for the 2024 race were wrong
    and that Democrats lost because of the economy.

    Carville, in an opinion piece for The New York Times, noted that while
    he truly believed Harris would win the election, he is reviewing what
    went wrong for Democrats since President-elect Trump’s decisive victory
    in November.

    “I’ve been going over this in my head for the past two months, all the variables, all the what-ifs, all the questions about Joe Biden’s
    re-election decisions and what kind of Democrat or message might have
    worked against Donald Trump,” he wrote. “I keep coming back to the same thing.”

    “We lost for one very simple reason: It was, it is and it always will be
    the economy, stupid,” Carville continued. “We have to begin 2025 with
    that truth as our political north star and not get distracted by
    anything else.”

    The veteran political strategist said in August he doubted if his
    political philosophy that the economy decided elections was still
    relevant. President Biden at the time was facing low approval ratings,
    even though the economy was strong and improving.

    “I’m starting to doubt myself a little bit, because this economy is
    quite good,” Carville said at the time. “Maybe it will kick in. And sometimes it takes a while for people to feel it.”

    Months after the election, he said in his opinion piece that Trump won particularly with middle class and low-income voters by focusing on
    their economic worries, despite the strength of the U.S. economy.


    “Democrats have flat-out lost the economic narrative. The only path to electoral salvation is to take it back,” he said. “Perception is
    everything in politics, and a lot of Americans perceive us as out to
    lunch on the economy — not feeling their pain, or else caring too much
    about other things instead.”

    Carville, who was the strategist behind former President Clinton’s 1992 campaign, suggested Democrats rebuild by finding new ways to talk to
    Americans about the economy and to focus on issues that affect everyday
    lives. He argued that many people have spent too much time focusing on
    social issues and the president-elect’s legal issues.

    “Furthermore, it’s clear many Americans do not give a rat’s tail about Mr. Trump’s indictments — even if they are justified — or about his anti-democratic impulses or about social issues if they cannot provide
    for themselves or their families,” he said.

    The pundit added that Democrats “must be on the offensive with a wildly popular and populist economic agenda they cannot be for,” suggesting
    they focus on the minimum wage, as well as abortion and immigration as
    economic issues.

    And, he urged them to embrace the new media environment. Trump joined
    popular podcasts like Joe Rogan, which was considered a successful
    strategy of his 2024 run.

    “To Democratic presidential hopefuls, your auditions for 2028 should be
    based on two things: 1) How authentic you are on the economy and 2) how
    well you deliver it on a podcast,” Carville wrote in the The Times.

    He added, “The path forward could not be more certain: We live or die by winning public perception of the economy.”'

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  • From pothead@21:1/5 to John Smyth on Fri Jan 3 00:13:58 2025
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    On 2025-01-02, John Smyth <smythlejon2@hotmail.com> wrote:
    Of course it is.
    I L_M_A_O when I see the left tossing out numbers and claiming how great
    the economy has been under Biden.
    People are not feeling the love.

    'Carville on Harris loss: ‘It is and it always will be the economy, stupid’'

    <https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/5063265-james-carville-kamala-harris-donald-trump-2024-election-economy/>

    'Democratic strategist James Carville, who coined the phrase “It’s the economy, stupid,” admitted his predictions for the 2024 race were wrong
    and that Democrats lost because of the economy.

    Carville, in an opinion piece for The New York Times, noted that while
    he truly believed Harris would win the election, he is reviewing what
    went wrong for Democrats since President-elect Trump’s decisive victory
    in November.

    “I’ve been going over this in my head for the past two months, all the variables, all the what-ifs, all the questions about Joe Biden’s re-election decisions and what kind of Democrat or message might have
    worked against Donald Trump,” he wrote. “I keep coming back to the same thing.”

    “We lost for one very simple reason: It was, it is and it always will be the economy, stupid,” Carville continued. “We have to begin 2025 with that truth as our political north star and not get distracted by
    anything else.”

    The veteran political strategist said in August he doubted if his
    political philosophy that the economy decided elections was still
    relevant. President Biden at the time was facing low approval ratings,
    even though the economy was strong and improving.

    “I’m starting to doubt myself a little bit, because this economy is
    quite good,” Carville said at the time. “Maybe it will kick in. And sometimes it takes a while for people to feel it.”

    Months after the election, he said in his opinion piece that Trump won particularly with middle class and low-income voters by focusing on
    their economic worries, despite the strength of the U.S. economy.


    “Democrats have flat-out lost the economic narrative. The only path to electoral salvation is to take it back,” he said. “Perception is everything in politics, and a lot of Americans perceive us as out to
    lunch on the economy — not feeling their pain, or else caring too much about other things instead.”

    Carville, who was the strategist behind former President Clinton’s 1992 campaign, suggested Democrats rebuild by finding new ways to talk to Americans about the economy and to focus on issues that affect everyday lives. He argued that many people have spent too much time focusing on
    social issues and the president-elect’s legal issues.

    “Furthermore, it’s clear many Americans do not give a rat’s tail about Mr. Trump’s indictments — even if they are justified — or about his anti-democratic impulses or about social issues if they cannot provide
    for themselves or their families,” he said.

    The pundit added that Democrats “must be on the offensive with a wildly popular and populist economic agenda they cannot be for,” suggesting
    they focus on the minimum wage, as well as abortion and immigration as economic issues.

    And, he urged them to embrace the new media environment. Trump joined
    popular podcasts like Joe Rogan, which was considered a successful
    strategy of his 2024 run.

    “To Democratic presidential hopefuls, your auditions for 2028 should be based on two things: 1) How authentic you are on the economy and 2) how
    well you deliver it on a podcast,” Carville wrote in the The Times.

    He added, “The path forward could not be more certain: We live or die by winning public perception of the economy.”'

    Carville is fading and has become crazy as a bedbug however he still gets the basics.
    And he is spot on accurate.



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  • From chrisv@21:1/5 to pothead on Fri Jan 3 06:10:51 2025
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    pothead wrote:

    He added, ôThe path forward could not be more certain: We live or die by
    winning public perception of the economy.ö'

    Carville is fading and has become crazy as a bedbug however he still gets the basics.
    And he is spot on accurate.

    If you call inflation "the economy". But, AFAIK, the economy is doing
    fine, but inflation is still a problem.

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  • From pothead@21:1/5 to chrisv on Fri Jan 3 16:20:49 2025
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    On 2025-01-03, chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote:
    pothead wrote:

    He added, “The path forward could not be more certain: We live or die by >>> winning public perception of the economy.”'

    Carville is fading and has become crazy as a bedbug however he still gets the basics.
    And he is spot on accurate.

    If you call inflation "the economy". But, AFAIK, the economy is doing
    fine, but inflation is still a problem.

    Technically correct
    It all boils down to perception and nuts and bolts, personal experience.
    So the person trying to feed the family, fill the car up and so forth doesn't really give a hoot how the stock market is doing..
    All they know is they get less food for more money.
    So yes the term "economy" means different things to different people.


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    pothead

    "Give a man a fish and you turn him into a Democrat for life"
    "Teach a man to fish and he might become a self-sufficient conservative Republican"
    "Don't underestimate Joe's ability to fuck things up,"
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