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On 2024-12-31, Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote:
I would bet that it is AbiWord that is the issue, not any kind of bug
with ODT. If AbiWord couldn't handle DOCX though, I would blame the
format since it is closed despite its name.
The original .doc format was closed too. You could get a look at
the specs, but you had to sign a non-disclosure agreement first.
I once heard from someone who signed the NDA and looked at the
specs. He said you really didn't want to know what was in there.
It was a real dog's breakfast - but I suppose the people who revese-engineered it knew that already.
On 2024-12-30, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
On Sun, 29 Dec 2024, pH wrote:
On 2024-12-28, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
On Fri, 27 Dec 2024, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
On 2024-12-27 18:04, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
On Fri, 27 Dec 2024 14:57:55 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote:
Well, I appreciate that I can get gratis a piece of software that is >>>>>>> that good.
If you think Free Software could be better, and you would rather not give
money to a proprietary company, why not contribute some of that money to >>>>>> the development of the Free Software and help make it better?
Especially since projects like KDE and LibreOffice really need it.
Note that money is not the only way to contribute. Even by using the
software you contribute, by making others aware of it, you contribute. I >>>> actually like projects that are not super wealthy. The linux foundation >>>> and firefox are excellent examples of how power corrupts. Would never
dream of contributing with money to those two.
This grabs my attention...as essentially a 'bystander' I've been totally >>> unaware of these types of sentiments.
Can someone give (or point me to) a thumbnail of why someone might have
these opinions?
Just curious....
Pureheart in Aptos
Sure... https://lunduke.substack.com/ writes plenty about the corruption
of firefox and the linux foundation.
Thank-you for the link...
pH
I rather think you are.Again, I've never noticed any such thing.Many drivers are not given to noticing anything around them.
I'm not one of them.
The Natural Philosopher wrote:
chrisv wrote:
Again, I've never noticed any such thing.
Many drivers are not given to noticing anything around them.
Its also challenging to see the transgressions from inside the BMW. /s
On Tue, 31 Dec 2024 20:40:05 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
The original .doc format was closed too. You could get a look at the
specs, but you had to sign a non-disclosure agreement first. I once
heard from someone who signed the NDA and looked at the specs. He said
you really didn't want to know what was in there.
It was a real dog's breakfast - but I suppose the people who
revese-engineered it knew that already.
You just to look at what was public in the ISO 29500 so-called spec to see that it was an accumulation of many years of dogs’ breakfasts, piled one
on top of the other.
(idiocy snipped)
On Tue, 31 Dec 2024, rbowman wrote:
On Tue, 31 Dec 2024 05:11:09 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
I'm not disputing whether BMWs are better vehicles, whether to drive or
for some other reason. What I do notice is that many people who drive
BMWs feel that the car confers some sort of superior class on the
driver, and they feel it is the God-given duty for us plebes who drive
lesser cars to get out of their way - to the point of making exasperated >>> hand gestures at those of us who don't.
When I was trucking I was amused by BMW drivers who tried to play chicken
with a 65' long 18 wheeled vehicle outweighing them by about 75,000
pounds.
That reminds me... when I was in spain once, a big truck didn't look out before changing lanes and almost pushed me off the road. He saw it in
time though and apologized. I had an elevated pulse for a while.
(snipped, unread)
(snipped, unread)
-hh wrote:
(snipped, unread)
Around your family, you like to pretend that you're a good person,
don't you, -highhorse.
If only they knew what an asshole you are, how eager to attack decent, reasonable people you are.
(snipped, unread)
-hh wrote:
The Natural Philosopher wrote:
chrisv wrote:
Again, I've never noticed any such thing.
Many drivers are not given to noticing anything around them.
Its also challenging to see the transgressions from inside the BMW. /s
Being a motorcyclist, like myself, gets you in tune with what other
vehicles are doing.
(snipped, unread)
chrisv wrote:
Being a motorcyclist, like myself, gets you in tune with what other
vehicles are doing.
Only if one drives on roads.
Plus it doesn't address the question of
how long a former BMW driver remains defensive about their reputation.
The Natural Philosopher wrote:
(snipped, unread)
How about you keep your trap shut about things you have no idea about?
chrisv wrote:
The Natural Philosopher wrote:
(snipped, unread)
How about you keep your trap shut about things you have no idea about?
(snipped, unread)
-hh wrote:
(snipped, unread)
The -highhorse snit sees an advocate or two admitting that they have
no experience with Photoshop. The snit sees an opportunity to attack.
He claims that advocate "haters" have been unreasonable. They have
been "loudly critical" of a product that they have no experience with.
When challenged, the snit moves the goal posts to advocates talking
about prices and values, which he asserts is being "loudly critical"
of the more-expensive product.
The snit also positively *gloats* about the fact that one advocate,
sdb, made a stupid argument in the course of one such discussion about
value.
But even if one accepts the snittish claim that calling Photoshop
"expensive" or whatever constitutes being "loudly critical" of it, the initial attack was that we were unreasonably critical of something
that we had no experience with, and thus were ignorant of.
But the price has always been known! Being "critical" of the price is
*not* being critical of something we have no experience with and thus
are ignorant of!
So, -highhorse's attack *fails* even if one accepts his snittish claim calling Photoshop "expensive" and comparing value is "loud" "criticism
on cost".
As usual, -highhorse attacked using nothing but idiocy and lies. As
usual, -highhorse failed.
And let's consider sdb's brain-fart of ten (or whatever) years ago.
This is about the best that -highhorse can do, apparently.
Yes, sdb arbitrarily assigned a one cent price to GIMP, to compare relative values. Yes, it was stupid. Notice the absolute *pleasure*
-highhorse gets out of this single example. The guy is a genuine
fscking *asshole*, folks.
And sdb's brain-fart was only that. He wasn't being an asshole. He
wasn't attacking anyone using idiocy and lies.
The Natural Philosopher wrote:
(snipped, unread)
How about you keep your trap shut about things you have no idea about?
-hh wrote:
chrisv wrote:
Being a motorcyclist, like myself, gets you in tune with what other
vehicles are doing.
Only if one drives on roads.
Which I do.
Plus it doesn't address the question of
how long a former BMW driver remains defensive about their reputation.
Only a fscking dumbshit would think that being a former BMW driver
would motivate me to defend the reputation of BMW drivers in general.
It's not as if anyone has claimed, or would claim, that all BMW
drivers are bad.
I'm*that* stupid and clueless
(snipped, unread)
On 1/1/25 10:25 AM, chrisv wrote (a butthurt double post)
(snipped, unread)
-hh wrote:
On 1/1/25 10:25 AM, chrisv wrote (a butthurt double post)
(snipped, unread)
Poor -highhorse.
Like all trolling assholes, he must to *lie* to attack, when faced
with our reasonable and correct points.
Who he thinks he's fooling, I have no idea.
[quote]
Unfortunately, the only way that this point actually becomes
"reasonable" is by finally admitting that many/most Linux fanboys are
chronic consummate cheapskates.
[/quote]
(snipped, unread)
On Sun, 29 Dec 2024, TJ wrote:
On 2024-12-28 06:12, D wrote:
On Fri, 27 Dec 2024, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
On 2024-12-27 18:04, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
On Fri, 27 Dec 2024 14:57:55 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote:
Well, I appreciate that I can get gratis a piece of software that is >>>>>> that good.
If you think Free Software could be better, and you would rather
not give
money to a proprietary company, why not contribute some of that
money to
the development of the Free Software and help make it better?
Especially since projects like KDE and LibreOffice really need it.
Note that money is not the only way to contribute. Even by using the
software you contribute, by making others aware of it, you
contribute. I actually like projects that are not super wealthy. The
linux foundation and firefox are excellent examples of how power
corrupts. Would never dream of contributing with money to those two.
Indeed. My discretionary funds are very limited, so I can not afford
to contribute with money. But Mageia, as my distro of choice, is
community-based, meaning it is maintained by volunteers who contribute
their free time to make it as good as we can.
I have no coding skills to speak of, so development isn't my forte.
But, as the current Leader of the Mageia Quality Assurance (QA) Team,
I contribute in other, equally valuable ways.
We are the layer between the developers and the public, tasked with
testing updates before they are released to be as sure as possible
that they won't break Mageia systems. Developers are only human, and
sometimes mistakes creep in - a missing dependency, or maybe the
package won't work on hardware the developer doesn't have. Our job is
to catch that stuff.
We also test the install ISOs before they are released.
We are always looking for new members, and users of all skill levels
are welcome. One of the great things about Mageia is that the opinions
of new contributors are received with as much respect as those of our
"old hands."
But those aren't the only ways to contribute. If something in Mageia
doesn't work for you, please file a bug report. We also need
translators, documentation writers, bug triaging, website designers,
the list goes on.
https://www.mageia.org/en/contribute/ is a good place to start if you
wish to contribute to our project.
TJ
How are you trending with volunteers over time? Is it growing?
On 2024-12-29 16:54, TJ wrote:
On 2024-12-28 06:12, D wrote:
On Fri, 27 Dec 2024, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
On 2024-12-27 18:04, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
On Fri, 27 Dec 2024 14:57:55 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote:
Well, I appreciate that I can get gratis a piece of software that is >>>>>> that good.
If you think Free Software could be better, and you would rather
not give
money to a proprietary company, why not contribute some of that
money to
the development of the Free Software and help make it better?
Especially since projects like KDE and LibreOffice really need it.
Note that money is not the only way to contribute. Even by using the
software you contribute, by making others aware of it, you
contribute. I actually like projects that are not super wealthy. The
linux foundation and firefox are excellent examples of how power
corrupts. Would never dream of contributing with money to those two.
Indeed. My discretionary funds are very limited, so I can not afford
to contribute with money. But Mageia, as my distro of choice, is
community- based, meaning it is maintained by volunteers who
contribute their free time to make it as good as we can.
I have no coding skills to speak of, so development isn't my forte.
But, as the current Leader of the Mageia Quality Assurance (QA) Team,
I contribute in other, equally valuable ways.
We are the layer between the developers and the public, tasked with
testing updates before they are released to be as sure as possible
that they won't break Mageia systems. Developers are only human, and
sometimes mistakes creep in - a missing dependency, or maybe the
package won't work on hardware the developer doesn't have. Our job is
to catch that stuff.
We also test the install ISOs before they are released.
We are always looking for new members, and users of all skill levels
are welcome. One of the great things about Mageia is that the opinions
of new contributors are received with as much respect as those of our
"old hands."
But those aren't the only ways to contribute. If something in Mageia
doesn't work for you, please file a bug report. We also need
translators, documentation writers, bug triaging, website designers,
the list goes on.
https://www.mageia.org/en/contribute/ is a good place to start if you
wish to contribute to our project.
I would have liked to try out your distribution before I settled for
Fedora. Your approach is pretty neat.
On 2024-12-29 23:18, rbowman wrote:
On Sun, 29 Dec 2024 18:53:51 -0500, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
I would have liked to try out your distribution before I settled for
Fedora. Your approach is pretty neat.
I had not heard of it. The genealogy is interesting. I used Mandrake
years
ago and Liked it. It begat Mandriva which seems to have begotten Mageia.
I am a fan of anything that is community driven, but I am also aware
that communities break apart over the most ridiculous of things and
often use that difference of opinion as a basis to fork a project.
Similarly, a lot of these communities have been poisoned with an
ideology where merit takes a backseat to sexual preference, race or
gender. I don't want to use the atrocious result of that poison. At
least with Fedora, I know that no matter how ridiculous the community
might be in its pursuit of "diversity," the product does everything it
can to be as professional as possible.
On Mon, 30 Dec 2024 08:35:45 -0500, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
I am a fan of anything that is community driven, but I am also aware
that communities break apart over the most ridiculous of things and
often use that difference of opinion as a basis to fork a project.
The Mandrake to Mandriva transition was in part due to a suit by Hearst
over their Mandrake the Magician comic strip. Naming your distro after a hallucinogenic plant isn't good.
Lorry drivers in Spain, long ago, were known as gentlemen of the road. Certainly not so in recent times. They are exploited, and it shows in
their tempers. They drive around tired.
Thank you. But there isn't really any reason why you HAVE to use just
one distro...
On Wed, 1 Jan 2025 01:40:33 -0000 (UTC), pothead wrote:
Biggest assholes where I live are Tesla owners, Dodge Hemi and Mustang
owners.
It used to be Land/Range Rover people but things have changed.
When you pul up behind a F-250 with imitation bull testicles dangling from the trailer hitch you have a good idea what you're dealing with.
On Tue, 31 Dec 2024, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
On 2024-12-31, Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote:
I would bet that it is AbiWord that is the issue, not any kind of bug
with ODT. If AbiWord couldn't handle DOCX though, I would blame the
format since it is closed despite its name.
The original .doc format was closed too. You could get a look at
the specs, but you had to sign a non-disclosure agreement first.
I once heard from someone who signed the NDA and looked at the
specs. He said you really didn't want to know what was in there.
It was a real dog's breakfast - but I suppose the people who
revese-engineered it knew that already.
I'm not surprised. It is fascinating how the company culture is created to turn out bad software. Makes one wonder if it would be possible to create
a kind of anti-Microsoft company culture that would produce gems?
-hh wrote:
The Natural Philosopher wrote:
chrisv wrote:
Again, I've never noticed any such thing.
Many drivers are not given to noticing anything around them.
Its also challenging to see the transgressions from inside the BMW. /s
Being a motorcyclist, like myself, gets you in tune with what other
vehicles are doing.
I'm not surprised. It is fascinating how the company culture is created
to turn out bad software. Makes one wonder if it would be possible to
create a kind of anti-Microsoft company culture that would produce gems?
On Tue, 31 Dec 2024, rbowman wrote:
On Tue, 31 Dec 2024 12:49:50 +0100, D wrote:Dodge rams? Had no idea! I've seen one or two, but here they are very
I think in northern europe and in the north east, BMW is still the
king of asshole cars. I had a BMW when young. I do not know what other
thought of my driving, but I've never been a car person and I do not
enjoy driving. My wife drives me most of the time. This is luxury! =D
I think the title here belongs to crew cab (Dodge) Rams.
rare. Do you think I would get many women if I bought a dodge ram in the
US?
Mandrake 8.2 was my introduction to Linux in 2002 ...
On Wed, 1 Jan 2025 14:53:34 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote:
Lorry drivers in Spain, long ago, were known as gentlemen of the road.
Certainly not so in recent times. They are exploited, and it shows in
their tempers. They drive around tired.
The US has regulations going back to the '30s that almost guarantee driver fatigue. A Simple description is you can only drive for 10 hours in one period and then you must be off for at least 8 hours. The 10 hours becomes 11, with a mandatory break of at least 1/2 hour, and a 15 minute vehicle inspection. All in all you wind up with a 19 hour day.
LA to Denver is 1000 miles. The company mandated you could log an average speed of 60 mph, another fiction, meaning the first leg was 600 miles,
which put you someplace in Utah. Then you were supposed to presumably
sleep for 8 hours despite it being around 5 PM before you could wake up at
1 AM and continue on.
That was the theory. Personally I would drive straight through, back into
the loading dock in Denver at around 5 PM Sunday, have supper, read a
while, and have a good night's sleep before the crew showed up on Monday
to unload the truck.
Some creativity was needed to produce a log book showing the legal times
for the company's records and any nosy DOT cop. I had my adventure and
went back to programming before they radio-collared trucks.
The Linux community seems to be as close to that sort of culture as
we're likely to get.
-hh wrote:
(snipped, unread)
Around your family, you like to pretend that you're a good person,
don't you, -highhorse.
If only they knew what an asshole you are, how eager to attack decent, reasonable people you are.
On 2025-01-01 12:43, D wrote:
On Tue, 31 Dec 2024, rbowman wrote:
On Tue, 31 Dec 2024 05:11:09 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
I'm not disputing whether BMWs are better vehicles, whether to drive or >>>> for some other reason. What I do notice is that many people who drive >>>> BMWs feel that the car confers some sort of superior class on the
driver, and they feel it is the God-given duty for us plebes who drive >>>> lesser cars to get out of their way - to the point of making exasperated >>>> hand gestures at those of us who don't.
When I was trucking I was amused by BMW drivers who tried to play chicken >>> with a 65' long 18 wheeled vehicle outweighing them by about 75,000
pounds.
That reminds me... when I was in spain once, a big truck didn't look out
before changing lanes and almost pushed me off the road. He saw it in time >> though and apologized. I had an elevated pulse for a while.
Was that recently, or long ago?
Lorry drivers in Spain, long ago, were known as gentlemen of the road. Certainly not so in recent times. They are exploited, and it shows in their tempers. They drive around tired.
They tend to change lane fast because otherwise a car comes and impedes it. This forces the incoming traffic on the left lane to brake and swear softly.
-hh wrote:
chrisv wrote:
Being a motorcyclist, like myself, gets you in tune with what other
vehicles are doing.
Only if one drives on roads.
Which I do.
Plus it doesn't address the question of
how long a former BMW driver remains defensive about their reputation.
Only a fscking dumbshit would think that being a former BMW driver
would motivate me to defend the reputation of BMW drivers in general.
It's not as if anyone has claimed, or would claim, that all BMW
drivers are bad.
On 01/01/2025 16:21, chrisv wrote:
-hh wrote:No. Only a majority of them
chrisv wrote:
Being a motorcyclist, like myself, gets you in tune with what other
vehicles are doing.
Only if one drives on roads.
Which I do.
Plus it doesn't address the question of
how long a former BMW driver remains defensive about their reputation.
Only a fscking dumbshit would think that being a former BMW driver
would motivate me to defend the reputation of BMW drivers in general.
It's not as if anyone has claimed, or would claim, that all BMW
drivers are bad.
The Natural Philosopher wrote:
(snipped, unread)
If you want to apologize, you'll need to change the subject so that
I'll see it.
Until then, all I know that you, despite having *no way* to know,
claims that I'm not given to noticing anything around me. Then, when
I told you that I do not fit that description, you called me a liar.
The fact is that I'm hyper aware of what's going on around me, and any asshole who claims otherwise is a liar.
Your other two recent posts were deleted, unread.
On 2024-12-30 07:18, D wrote:
On Sun, 29 Dec 2024, TJ wrote:
On 2024-12-28 06:12, D wrote:
On Fri, 27 Dec 2024, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
On 2024-12-27 18:04, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
On Fri, 27 Dec 2024 14:57:55 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote:
Well, I appreciate that I can get gratis a piece of software that is >>>>>>> that good.
If you think Free Software could be better, and you would rather not >>>>>> give
money to a proprietary company, why not contribute some of that money >>>>>> to
the development of the Free Software and help make it better?
Especially since projects like KDE and LibreOffice really need it.
Note that money is not the only way to contribute. Even by using the
software you contribute, by making others aware of it, you contribute. I >>>> actually like projects that are not super wealthy. The linux foundation >>>> and firefox are excellent examples of how power corrupts. Would never
dream of contributing with money to those two.
Indeed. My discretionary funds are very limited, so I can not afford to
contribute with money. But Mageia, as my distro of choice, is
community-based, meaning it is maintained by volunteers who contribute
their free time to make it as good as we can.
I have no coding skills to speak of, so development isn't my forte. But, >>> as the current Leader of the Mageia Quality Assurance (QA) Team, I
contribute in other, equally valuable ways.
We are the layer between the developers and the public, tasked with
testing updates before they are released to be as sure as possible that
they won't break Mageia systems. Developers are only human, and sometimes >>> mistakes creep in - a missing dependency, or maybe the package won't work >>> on hardware the developer doesn't have. Our job is to catch that stuff.
We also test the install ISOs before they are released.
We are always looking for new members, and users of all skill levels are >>> welcome. One of the great things about Mageia is that the opinions of new >>> contributors are received with as much respect as those of our "old
hands."
But those aren't the only ways to contribute. If something in Mageia
doesn't work for you, please file a bug report. We also need translators, >>> documentation writers, bug triaging, website designers, the list goes on. >>>
https://www.mageia.org/en/contribute/ is a good place to start if you wish >>> to contribute to our project.
TJ
How are you trending with volunteers over time? Is it growing?
I wish I could say it is, but that wouldn't be quite true. Several major contributors left us in 2023, for various reasons. Some were health related, some were because Real Life situations had changed, some were because things weren't progressing as fast as they would have liked.
Those sorts of things can happen with any community-supported organization, and it just so happened that several issues came together at roughly the same time. However, others have stepped up, and our situation is better now.
But the need for contributors of all kinds goes on, as it has since we started. I doubt that will ever change.
TJ
On Wed, 1 Jan 2025 14:53:34 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote:
Lorry drivers in Spain, long ago, were known as gentlemen of the road.
Certainly not so in recent times. They are exploited, and it shows in
their tempers. They drive around tired.
The US has regulations going back to the '30s that almost guarantee driver fatigue. A Simple description is you can only drive for 10 hours in one period and then you must be off for at least 8 hours. The 10 hours becomes 11, with a mandatory break of at least 1/2 hour, and a 15 minute vehicle inspection. All in all you wind up with a 19 hour day.
LA to Denver is 1000 miles. The company mandated you could log an average speed of 60 mph, another fiction, meaning the first leg was 600 miles,
which put you someplace in Utah. Then you were supposed to presumably
sleep for 8 hours despite it being around 5 PM before you could wake up at
1 AM and continue on.
That was the theory. Personally I would drive straight through, back into
the loading dock in Denver at around 5 PM Sunday, have supper, read a
while, and have a good night's sleep before the crew showed up on Monday
to unload the truck.
Some creativity was needed to produce a log book showing the legal times
for the company's records and any nosy DOT cop. I had my adventure and
went back to programming before they radio-collared trucks.
On Wed, 1 Jan 2025, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2025-01-01 12:43, D wrote:
On Tue, 31 Dec 2024, rbowman wrote:
On Tue, 31 Dec 2024 05:11:09 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
I'm not disputing whether BMWs are better vehicles, whether to
drive or
for some other reason. What I do notice is that many people who drive >>>>> BMWs feel that the car confers some sort of superior class on the
driver, and they feel it is the God-given duty for us plebes who drive >>>>> lesser cars to get out of their way - to the point of making
exasperated
hand gestures at those of us who don't.
When I was trucking I was amused by BMW drivers who tried to play
chicken
with a 65' long 18 wheeled vehicle outweighing them by about 75,000
pounds.
That reminds me... when I was in spain once, a big truck didn't look
out before changing lanes and almost pushed me off the road. He saw
it in time though and apologized. I had an elevated pulse for a while.
Was that recently, or long ago?
Probably 2 or 3 years ago.
Lorry drivers in Spain, long ago, were known as gentlemen of the road.
Certainly not so in recent times. They are exploited, and it shows in
their tempers. They drive around tired.
Oh he definitely was very sorry about the incident, and as far as it is possible for two humans to communicate wordlessly through windows, my
feeling was that he deeply sorry and apologetic about the incident, so
no shadow on that man.
They tend to change lane fast because otherwise a car comes and
impedes it. This forces the incoming traffic on the left lane to brake
and swear softly.
Yes, exactly what happened... semi-hard break and soft swearing. ;)
On 2025-01-01, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
On Tue, 31 Dec 2024, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
On 2024-12-31, Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote:
I would bet that it is AbiWord that is the issue, not any kind of bug
with ODT. If AbiWord couldn't handle DOCX though, I would blame the
format since it is closed despite its name.
The original .doc format was closed too. You could get a look at
the specs, but you had to sign a non-disclosure agreement first.
I once heard from someone who signed the NDA and looked at the
specs. He said you really didn't want to know what was in there.
It was a real dog's breakfast - but I suppose the people who
revese-engineered it knew that already.
I'm not surprised. It is fascinating how the company culture is created to >> turn out bad software. Makes one wonder if it would be possible to create
a kind of anti-Microsoft company culture that would produce gems?
The Linux community seems to be as close to that sort of culture as
we're likely to get.
On Wed, 1 Jan 2025 12:44:58 +0100, D wrote:
On Tue, 31 Dec 2024, rbowman wrote:
On Tue, 31 Dec 2024 12:49:50 +0100, D wrote:Dodge rams? Had no idea! I've seen one or two, but here they are very
I think in northern europe and in the north east, BMW is still the
king of asshole cars. I had a BMW when young. I do not know what other >>>> thought of my driving, but I've never been a car person and I do not
enjoy driving. My wife drives me most of the time. This is luxury! =D
I think the title here belongs to crew cab (Dodge) Rams.
rare. Do you think I would get many women if I bought a dodge ram in the
US?
Hmmm, what's your take on redneck women?
https://www.kpax.com/news/missoula-county/peaceful-demonstrators-come-to- an-agreement-with-armed-group-in-missoula-protests
The second photo captures a couple of local specimens in situ. There are
more photos of the opposition. You might notice the lack of black faces at
a BLM rally but you make do with what you have.
I don't know what the most popular brand is locally, perhaps Ford but a
lot of people drive pickups. They're a little big to fit most parking
spaces and hard to see around when you're in a Yaris with your eyes level with their lug nuts. At least with a bike I can stand on the pegs.
I'll admit I have a semi-retired pickup but it is a '86 F-150 that's
dwarfed by the modern versions.
SUVs are also very prevalent. That was an unintended consequence of EPA meddling. Light trucks had looser mileage requirements than passenger
cars. Put a fancy body on a light truck chassis and , voila, a SUV.
Right now gasoline is relatively inexpensive. During peak times the
vehicle mix changes. Most people also have smaller sedans in the driveway.
On Wed, 1 Jan 2025 12:49:09 +0100, D wrote:
I'm not surprised. It is fascinating how the company culture is created
to turn out bad software. Makes one wonder if it would be possible to
create a kind of anti-Microsoft company culture that would produce gems?
I have my doubts, at least in the long term. Success leads to growth which leads to calcification.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_Search_of_Excellence
That was very popular in the '80s. Consultants would give training
sessions, one of which I had to sit through. Many of the companies thaey
used as examples of excellent corporate culture are no more. Some, like Hewlett Packard, are classics in corporate devolution.
fwiw, the company I worked for at the times didn't find excellence either
and is gone. Come to think of it every company I ever worked for directly
or on contract is gone. Maybe I'm the kiss of death?
-hh wrote:
(snipped, unread)
The -highhorse snit sees an advocate or two admitting that they have
no experience with Photoshop. The snit sees an opportunity to attack.
He claims that advocate "haters" have been unreasonable. They have
been "loudly critical" of a product that they have no experience with.
When challenged, the snit moves the goal posts to advocates talking
about prices and values, which he asserts is being "loudly critical"
of the more-expensive product.
The snit also positively *gloats* about the fact that one advocate,
sdb, made a stupid argument in the course of one such discussion about
value.
But even if one accepts the snittish claim that calling Photoshop
"expensive" or whatever constitutes being "loudly critical" of it, the initial attack was that we were unreasonably critical of something
that we had no experience with, and thus were ignorant of.
But the price has always been known! Being "critical" of the price is
*not* being critical of something we have no experience with and thus
are ignorant of!
So, -highhorse's attack *fails* even if one accepts his snittish claim calling Photoshop "expensive" and comparing value is "loud" "criticism
on cost".
As usual, -highhorse attacked using nothing but idiocy and lies. As
usual, -highhorse failed.
And let's consider sdb's brain-fart of ten (or whatever) years ago.
This is about the best that -highhorse can do, apparently. Yes, sdb arbitrarily assigned a one cent price to GIMP, to compare relative
values. Yes, it was stupid. Notice the absolute *pleasure*
-highhorse gets out of this single example. The guy is a genuine
fscking *asshole*, folks.
How many *stupid* things have freedom-hating assholes, like
-highhorse, spewed in here? I have hundreds of examples of -highhorse
and many others spewing mind-boggling stupidity.
And sdb's brain-fart was only that. He wasn't being an asshole. He
wasn't attacking anyone using idiocy and lies.
-highhorse attacks people using idiocy and lies. -highhorse has
claimed that advocates are "irrational" and "close minded", because
they "hate" Photoshop.
Do cola advocates really "hate" Photoshop, or did -highhorse attack
using idiocy and lies?
Between what sdb did, and what -highhorse did, which is worse?
On 01/01/2025 15:26, chrisv wrote:
-hh wrote:I think the asshole round here, is you, chris
(snipped, unread)
Around your family, you like to pretend that you're a good person,
don't you, -highhorse.
If only they knew what an asshole you are, how eager to attack decent,
reasonable people you are.
On 2024-12-29 18:53, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
On 2024-12-29 16:54, TJ wrote:Thank you. But there isn't really any reason why you HAVE to use just
On 2024-12-28 06:12, D wrote:
On Fri, 27 Dec 2024, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
On 2024-12-27 18:04, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
On Fri, 27 Dec 2024 14:57:55 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote:
Well, I appreciate that I can get gratis a piece of software that is >>>>>>> that good.
If you think Free Software could be better, and you would rather
not give
money to a proprietary company, why not contribute some of that
money to
the development of the Free Software and help make it better?
Especially since projects like KDE and LibreOffice really need it.
Note that money is not the only way to contribute. Even by using the
software you contribute, by making others aware of it, you
contribute. I actually like projects that are not super wealthy. The
linux foundation and firefox are excellent examples of how power
corrupts. Would never dream of contributing with money to those two.
Indeed. My discretionary funds are very limited, so I can not afford
to contribute with money. But Mageia, as my distro of choice, is
community- based, meaning it is maintained by volunteers who
contribute their free time to make it as good as we can.
I have no coding skills to speak of, so development isn't my forte.
But, as the current Leader of the Mageia Quality Assurance (QA) Team,
I contribute in other, equally valuable ways.
We are the layer between the developers and the public, tasked with
testing updates before they are released to be as sure as possible
that they won't break Mageia systems. Developers are only human, and
sometimes mistakes creep in - a missing dependency, or maybe the
package won't work on hardware the developer doesn't have. Our job is
to catch that stuff.
We also test the install ISOs before they are released.
We are always looking for new members, and users of all skill levels
are welcome. One of the great things about Mageia is that the
opinions of new contributors are received with as much respect as
those of our "old hands."
But those aren't the only ways to contribute. If something in Mageia
doesn't work for you, please file a bug report. We also need
translators, documentation writers, bug triaging, website designers,
the list goes on.
https://www.mageia.org/en/contribute/ is a good place to start if you
wish to contribute to our project.
I would have liked to try out your distribution before I settled for
Fedora. Your approach is pretty neat.
one distro...
I'm not surprised. It is fascinating how the company culture is created to >> turn out bad software. Makes one wonder if it would be possible to create
a kind of anti-Microsoft company culture that would produce gems?
The Linux community seems to be as close to that sort of culture as
we're likely to get.
On Wed, 01 Jan 2025 06:22:23 -0600, chrisv wrote:
-hh wrote:
The Natural Philosopher wrote:
chrisv wrote:
Again, I've never noticed any such thing.
Many drivers are not given to noticing anything around them.
Its also challenging to see the transgressions from inside the BMW. /s
Being a motorcyclist, like myself, gets you in tune with what other
vehicles are doing.
It also leads you to believe the motorists that aren't homicidal maniacs
are brain dead zombies :)
The Natural Philosopher wrote:
chrisv wrote:
No. Only a majority of them
It's not as if anyone has claimed, or would claim, that all BMW
drivers are bad.
chrisv wrote:
Being a motorcyclist, like myself, gets you in tune with what other
vehicles are doing.
It also leads you to believe the motorists that aren't homicidal maniacs
are brain dead zombies :)
Your other two recent posts were deleted, unread.
This sounds to me like you admit defeat. (snipped, unread)
Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote:
On 2025-01-01 14:46, TJ wrote:
On 2024-12-29 18:53, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
Thank you. But there isn't really any reason why you HAVE to use just
I would have liked to try out your distribution before I settled for
Fedora. Your approach is pretty neat.
one distro...
There is also no reason why I would use another.
Fedora is the right choice for GNOME. I need Debian, though, because
it supports Cinnamon and is a flagship product, Mint would simply be
too much of the liberated "desktop" features, but yet its interface
can't be beat - except by using Cinnamon with another distro.
The Natural Philosopher wrote:
chrisv wrote:
No. Only a majority of them
It's not as if anyone has claimed, or would claim, that all BMW
drivers are bad.
LOL Your silliness here does not excuse your assholery elsewhere.
Better how?
Better handling, or betterride/handling compromise, or better
acceleration and braking. Nicer interior.
I'm not saying they always succeed, but these are the ideas. There's a
reason why they cost more. It's not just "spend more money and you get
this badge".
Better home entertainment system. That seems to be what the reviewers are >interested in these days.
Once I overtook a lorry that had a wheel... dunno how to describe. It
had burst, part of the rubber was lost, and the rest of the rubber was spinning loosely, still thankfully retained. I was amazed, did not know
what to do. I had passengers. I just speed past the danger. It was very
early in the morning.
I have this book somewhere. I think it was mostly common sense with
added fluff. Didn't feel like a revelation to me. But I guess the book
was the "agile" of its times.
I have no idea really about the companies I worked for, except the
common household global IT companies, which still exist in various
forms.
On Wed, 1 Jan 2025 12:49:09 +0100, D wrote:
I'm not surprised. It is fascinating how the company culture is created
to turn out bad software. Makes one wonder if it would be possible to
create a kind of anti-Microsoft company culture that would produce gems?
I have my doubts, at least in the long term. Success leads to growth which leads to calcification.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_Search_of_Excellence
That was very popular in the '80s. Consultants would give training
sessions, one of which I had to sit through. Many of the companies thaey
used as examples of excellent corporate culture are no more. Some, like Hewlett Packard, are classics in corporate devolution.
fwiw, the company I worked for at the times didn't find excellence either
and is gone. Come to think of it every company I ever worked for directly
or on contract is gone. Maybe I'm the kiss of death?
Jokes aside, I always thought they all look like Kristi Noem. I can live
with that! =D
The word "excellence" tripped my bullshit detectors the first
time I heard it, and I've seen nothing since to make me change my mind.
Another "mini culture" I keep my eyes on is the sqlite community. In
many respects, anti-Linux, but they are producing powerful software!
Are there other projects you think are of similar power, in terms of use
and quality, as sqlite? Maybe the curl community?
Many of the big touring bikes like Gold Wings have cruise control as do
most big trucks. I've had riders who apparently had theirs set to 65.4
pass me when mine was set at 65, taking forever. I wanted to yell out the >window 'There a 9 tires on your side with 110 psi of air in them. Not all
are in the best of shape. Get your ass in gear and pass!'
Around here, most asshole pickups are black - although occasionally
white - but all of them are immaculate. Not a speck of dirt. They've probably never been off pavement. The same make and model, but with
some dirt and maybe a ding or two, is typically driven by someone who's
using it for work, rather than as a penis extender.
Yes, there are rules here, and ways to go around them, somehow. I
understand there is/was a cardboard disk that registers the truck speed.
Now there is some electronic version with a card with a chip (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_tachograph).
I pass big rigs quickly just to minimize getting pelted with rocks. I
spent $1000 to get paint protection film put on the front of my car
before I took delivery. A good investment, to prevent all of the chips
in the paint that would otherwise be there.
I soon discovered that “Discovery Edition” meant it was missing the
third CD with GCC and all the development tools on. So my first foray
into Linux hacking was to figure out how to download and install those missing development packages ...
I will say that it was dangerous enough, before the advent of idiots
looking at their "smart phones" while driving. One of my biggest fears
is being rear-ended by one of the dipshits while sitting at a stop
light.
Fedora is the right choice for GNOME.
On Thu, 02 Jan 2025 01:52:40 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
The word "excellence" tripped my bullshit detectors the first
time I heard it, and I've seen nothing since to make me change my mind.
Let me compound that with this phrase I came up with:
“epicentres of excellence”.
Does that send your alarms into triple red alert? ;)
On Wed, 01 Jan 2025 21:09:53 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
Around here, most asshole pickups are black - although occasionally
white - but all of them are immaculate. Not a speck of dirt. They've
probably never been off pavement. The same make and model, but with
some dirt and maybe a ding or two, is typically driven by someone who's
using it for work, rather than as a penis extender.
Not my usual genre but I laughed my butt off at the scene at the end when
the credits are rolling and Sarge, the Willys Jeep, is running a bootcamp
for 4WD trucks and SUVs that have never been off the pavement.
hank you. But there isn't really any reason why you HAVE to use just
one distro...
There is also no reason why I would use another.
How long has version 3 been in the works? Seems like years.
On Thu, 26 Dec 2024 17:13:34 +0000
Farley Flud <fflud@gnu.rocks> wrote:
Like LibreOffice, GIMP is GIMP and it does not attempt
any emulation.
That's a farcical claim,
when its UI from the get-go has been a naked
clone of Photoshop
The biggest difference is that Photoshop's workflow
and UX choices are generally well thought-out and helpful, while GIMP's
are clunky and awkward.
That's a farcical claim, when its UI from the get-go has been a naked
clone of Photoshop - first in its original Mac-style "separate windows
for documents & tool palettes" incarnation, and then in its later
"single window, tool palette on the left, extended options docked on
the right" version. The biggest difference is that Photoshop's workflow
and UX choices are generally well thought-out and helpful, while GIMP's
are clunky and awkward.
That's a farcical claim, when its UI from the get-go has been a naked
clone of Photoshop - first in its original Mac-style "separate windows
for documents & tool palettes" incarnation, and then in its later
"single window, tool palette on the left, extended options docked on
the right" version. The biggest difference is that Photoshop's workflow
and UX choices are generally well thought-out and helpful, while GIMP's
are clunky and awkward.
(I could write an essay on how slackass GIMP's UI design is
So, is it an actual “clone” of the Photoshop UI or not? If it is identical to the Photoshop UI, then it would be just as “clunky and awkward” as Photoshop.
There's no doubt that running Windows or macOS allows one to access commercial software that would best GIMP, but that doesn't mean GIMP
is without a lot of use, it's good enough for me to get by, as LO or
WPS Office suites for me are fine, I'm not married to M$ or Adobe. But
we have to understand the people who are married to them, and feel
lucky that our burdens are so much lighter.
Meanwhile, those of us who just want to get the job done ignore all
that and look for a package that does what we want without all that
other stuff getting the way.
wiw, the company I worked for at the times didn't find excellence either
and is gone. Come to think of it every company I ever worked for directly
or on contract is gone. Maybe I'm the kiss of death?
On Wed, 1 Jan 2025, chrisv wrote:
-hh wrote:
(snipped, unread)
Around your family, you like to pretend that you're a good person,
don't you, -highhorse.
If only they knew what an asshole you are, how eager to attack decent,
reasonable people you are.
If you don't read what you comment on, aren't you afraid that you are
missing important parts of the argument? Also, how can you build
spiritual bridges of love between two human beings that way?
On 2025-01-01 23:00, D wrote:
On Wed, 1 Jan 2025, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2025-01-01 12:43, D wrote:
On Tue, 31 Dec 2024, rbowman wrote:
On Tue, 31 Dec 2024 05:11:09 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
I'm not disputing whether BMWs are better vehicles, whether to drive or >>>>>> for some other reason. What I do notice is that many people who drive >>>>>> BMWs feel that the car confers some sort of superior class on the
driver, and they feel it is the God-given duty for us plebes who drive >>>>>> lesser cars to get out of their way - to the point of making
exasperated
hand gestures at those of us who don't.
When I was trucking I was amused by BMW drivers who tried to play
chicken
with a 65' long 18 wheeled vehicle outweighing them by about 75,000
pounds.
That reminds me... when I was in spain once, a big truck didn't look out >>>> before changing lanes and almost pushed me off the road. He saw it in
time though and apologized. I had an elevated pulse for a while.
Was that recently, or long ago?
Probably 2 or 3 years ago.
Lorry drivers in Spain, long ago, were known as gentlemen of the road.
Certainly not so in recent times. They are exploited, and it shows in
their tempers. They drive around tired.
Oh he definitely was very sorry about the incident, and as far as it is
possible for two humans to communicate wordlessly through windows, my
feeling was that he deeply sorry and apologetic about the incident, so no
shadow on that man.
Well, anybody can make mistakes :-)
They tend to change lane fast because otherwise a car comes and impedes
it. This forces the incoming traffic on the left lane to brake and swear >>> softly.
Yes, exactly what happened... semi-hard break and soft swearing. ;)
Once I overtook a lorry that had a wheel... dunno how to describe. It had burst, part of the rubber was lost, and the rest of the rubber was spinning loosely, still thankfully retained. I was amazed, did not know what to do. I had passengers. I just speed past the danger. It was very early in the morning.
I still do not know what I should had done. Probably pull back and phone 112.
D wrote:
Your other two recent posts were deleted, unread.
This sounds to me like you admit defeat. (snipped, unread)
Trolling 101. Claim victory in the midst of defeat.
The reality is that I'm so much better that after making my point I
can ignore what dipshits say, with the confidence that no decent
person would side with the dipshit.
Your 4:01 post was deleted, unread, as will every post that you make
in this thread, from now on.
On Wed, 1 Jan 2025 23:20:50 +0100, D wrote:
Jokes aside, I always thought they all look like Kristi Noem. I can live
with that! =D
There are quite a few of that model. She's Norwegian and according to the 2000 census 10.6% of the state claimed Norwegian ancestry, beating the Indians by 3%. fwiw, 27% claimed German ancestry. A friend in the know
told me the majority of the Sons of Norway are Germans. That will teach
them to open membership to non-Norwegians.
While it's changing but if you look around at any local event it could be
any place in northern Europe.
On 2025-01-01, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
On Wed, 1 Jan 2025 12:49:09 +0100, D wrote:
I'm not surprised. It is fascinating how the company culture is created
to turn out bad software. Makes one wonder if it would be possible to
create a kind of anti-Microsoft company culture that would produce gems?
I have my doubts, at least in the long term. Success leads to growth which >> leads to calcification.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_Search_of_Excellence
That was very popular in the '80s. Consultants would give training
sessions, one of which I had to sit through. Many of the companies thaey
used as examples of excellent corporate culture are no more. Some, like
Hewlett Packard, are classics in corporate devolution.
fwiw, the company I worked for at the times didn't find excellence either
and is gone. Come to think of it every company I ever worked for directly
or on contract is gone. Maybe I'm the kiss of death?
I doubt it. The word "excellence" tripped my bullshit detectors the first time I heard it, and I've seen nothing since to make me change my mind.
It's been turned into just another management buzzword.
On Wed, 1 Jan 2025 23:16:10 +0100, D wrote:
Another "mini culture" I keep my eyes on is the sqlite community. In
many respects, anti-Linux, but they are producing powerful software!
Are there other projects you think are of similar power, in terms of use
and quality, as sqlite? Maybe the curl community?
I like SQLLite and have used it in several projects. It works just as well
in C# .NET with
using Microsoft.Data.Sqlite;
as in C with
#include "sqlite3.h"
allowing both to use the same data. I do like that it's public domain
like most free software was before Stallman. otoh PostgresSQL is more powerful and has a permissive license.
https://opensource.org/license/postgresql
After all, the SQLite developers ask "What would Postgres do?"
There are a couple of other worthwhile projects like Python :)
On 01/01/2025 21:33, rbowman wrote:
wiw, the company I worked for at the times didn't find excellence either
and is gone. Come to think of it every company I ever worked for directly
or on contract is gone. Maybe I'm the kiss of death?
Companies exist in a phase of 'rising star' 'mature' 'cash cow' and 'death spiral'
IBM for example died years ago - the company today is just the old business services division.
No company I ever worked for is extant today in anything like its original form.
chrisv wrote:
I pass big rigs quickly just to minimize getting pelted with rocks. I
spent $1000 to get paint protection film put on the front of my car
before I took delivery. A good investment, to prevent all of the chips
in the paint that would otherwise be there.
Bras are kooler.
https://www.carcoverworld.com/front-end-covers
Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote:
On 2025-01-01 18:40, Joel wrote:
Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote:
On 2025-01-01 14:46, TJ wrote:
On 2024-12-29 18:53, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
Thank you. But there isn't really any reason why you HAVE to use just >>>>> one distro...
I would have liked to try out your distribution before I settled for >>>>>> Fedora. Your approach is pretty neat.
There is also no reason why I would use another.
Fedora is the right choice for GNOME. I need Debian, though, because
it supports Cinnamon and is a flagship product, Mint would simply be
too much of the liberated "desktop" features, but yet its interface
can't be beat - except by using Cinnamon with another distro.
Funny enough, there is a push within the Fedora community to make KDE
not GNOME the main desktop environment for the distribution. It
definitely works well, to say the least. I imagine that GNOME still has
problems or that the community is concerned the financial problems there
are a lot more serious than anyone is willing to admit.
I would be surprised if Fedora made KDE the default and yet that is
the one they offer as an alternative, so one would imagine as you
suggest that if GNOME became defunct somehow, KDE would replace it,
but KDE strikes me as too arbitrary a choice for the default on that
distro, albeit GNOME could be thought to be one too, the problem being
that there just aren't enough DEs that are robust which can be
utilized by everyone. Cinnamon comes close, I like it myself but it's
not *quite* as solid as GNOME, and I presume KDE as well. It doesn't
bother me, as I'm not seeking perfection, but it's a consideration for
the Fedora community nevertheless I'm sure.
On 2025-01-01, chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote:
-hh wrote:
(snipped, unread)
The -highhorse snit sees an advocate or two admitting that they have
no experience with Photoshop. The snit sees an opportunity to attack.
He claims that advocate "haters" have been unreasonable. They have
been "loudly critical" of a product that they have no experience with.
When challenged, the snit moves the goal posts to advocates talking
about prices and values, which he asserts is being "loudly critical"
of the more-expensive product.
The snit also positively *gloats* about the fact that one advocate,
sdb, made a stupid argument in the course of one such discussion about
value.
But even if one accepts the snittish claim that calling Photoshop
"expensive" or whatever constitutes being "loudly critical" of it, the
initial attack was that we were unreasonably critical of something
that we had no experience with, and thus were ignorant of.
But the price has always been known! Being "critical" of the price is
*not* being critical of something we have no experience with and thus
are ignorant of!
So, -highhorse's attack *fails* even if one accepts his snittish claim
calling Photoshop "expensive" and comparing value is "loud" "criticism
on cost".
As usual, -highhorse attacked using nothing but idiocy and lies. As
usual, -highhorse failed.
And let's consider sdb's brain-fart of ten (or whatever) years ago.
This is about the best that -highhorse can do, apparently. Yes, sdb
arbitrarily assigned a one cent price to GIMP, to compare relative
values. Yes, it was stupid. Notice the absolute *pleasure*
-highhorse gets out of this single example. The guy is a genuine
fscking *asshole*, folks.
How many *stupid* things have freedom-hating assholes, like
-highhorse, spewed in here? I have hundreds of examples of -highhorse
and many others spewing mind-boggling stupidity.
And sdb's brain-fart was only that. He wasn't being an asshole. He
wasn't attacking anyone using idiocy and lies.
-highhorse attacks people using idiocy and lies. -highhorse has
claimed that advocates are "irrational" and "close minded", because
they "hate" Photoshop.
Do cola advocates really "hate" Photoshop, or did -highhorse attack
using idiocy and lies?
Between what sdb did, and what -highhorse did, which is worse?
Well I worked in a print shop where PhotoShop was one of the tools we needed and I've always said that's really where it's needed, i.e., for
professionals (artists, graphic designers, printers, studios, etc.) Its
price is way out of whack for personal use (unless you're a very serious hobbyist with more money than brains). It's even worse now than it used to be, since Adobe has gone to renting their overpriced software instead of selling it.
But the only reason Photoshop ever comes up in a Linux newsgroup in the
first place is because small-minded twits (take your bows, -highhorse and DuFuS) claim that this totally unnecessary software, at least for the vast majority of computer users, isn't available on Linux.
Whoop dee do. If I
actually needed to use Photoshop (I don't) than I would install it (or rent it, or however you use it now) on either a Mac or Windows machine. Non-problem solved. I would venture to guess that the vast majority of Windows users don't use Photoshop either.
What does any of this "prove" when
dealing with Linux? That an expensive, niche product doesn't work on Linux? There's a lot of bloatware that very few people use that doesn't work on Linux. So what? It proves nothing. It's just grasping at straws by small-minded twits in their attempt to bolster their idiot arguments.
And Photoshop IS way overpriced for personal use. Point, blank, period. I don't apologize for stating this obvious fact.
On Wed, 1 Jan 2025, chrisv wrote:
D wrote:
Your other two recent posts were deleted, unread.
This sounds to me like you admit defeat. (snipped, unread)
Trolling 101. Claim victory in the midst of defeat.
The reality is that I'm so much better that after making my point I
can ignore what dipshits say, with the confidence that no decent
person would side with the dipshit.
Your 4:01 post was deleted, unread, as will every post that you make
in this thread, from now on.
Ahh... I won! It was a good fight chris, but you met someone better and
lost. =)
I find GNOME rather clunky whereas KDE, at least on Fedora and Nobara,
is perfect out of the box. I imagine that a lot of people who try out
Linux and face GNOME are going to wonder how to do the basics, and they
will likely find that the way extensions work is rather clunky,
especially during upgrades. Meanwhile, KDE is very familiar and offers a
ton of features they could only dream of in Windows like the desktop
effects, theming options and widgets. Unlike Cinnamon too, the widgets
in KDE actually work as they should.
Postgres is interesting. It's old, but doesn't get mentioned a lot these days. Would you say their engineering culture is something to study?
I've heard that many people do not like the python 2 to 3 debacle, and
that python is becoming worse from a governance perspective. I've heard
the woke mind virus has settled deep within the python project.
On Thu, 2 Jan 2025 08:36:41 -0500, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
I find GNOME rather clunky whereas KDE, at least on Fedora and Nobara,
is perfect out of the box. I imagine that a lot of people who try out
Linux and face GNOME are going to wonder how to do the basics, and they
will likely find that the way extensions work is rather clunky,
especially during upgrades. Meanwhile, KDE is very familiar and offers a
ton of features they could only dream of in Windows like the desktop
effects, theming options and widgets. Unlike Cinnamon too, the widgets
in KDE actually work as they should.
The Ubuntu box has GNOME. I live with it but I'm not a fan. I'd rather
have a menu structure rather than the 'Show Applications' button that
brings up three or four screens of unsorted stuff.
On 2025-01-02, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
On Wed, 01 Jan 2025 21:09:53 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
Around here, most asshole pickups are black - although occasionally
white - but all of them are immaculate. Not a speck of dirt. They've
probably never been off pavement. The same make and model, but with
some dirt and maybe a ding or two, is typically driven by someone
who's using it for work, rather than as a penis extender.
Not my usual genre but I laughed my butt off at the scene at the end
when the credits are rolling and Sarge, the Willys Jeep, is running a
bootcamp for 4WD trucks and SUVs that have never been off the pavement.
Yes, my post reminded me of that too. :-)
On 2025-01-02 14:42, rbowman wrote:
On Thu, 2 Jan 2025 08:36:41 -0500, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
I find GNOME rather clunky whereas KDE, at least on Fedora and Nobara,
is perfect out of the box. I imagine that a lot of people who try out
Linux and face GNOME are going to wonder how to do the basics, and they
will likely find that the way extensions work is rather clunky,
especially during upgrades. Meanwhile, KDE is very familiar and offers a >>> ton of features they could only dream of in Windows like the desktop
effects, theming options and widgets. Unlike Cinnamon too, the widgets
in KDE actually work as they should.
The Ubuntu box has GNOME. I live with it but I'm not a fan. I'd rather
have a menu structure rather than the 'Show Applications' button that
brings up three or four screens of unsorted stuff.
GNOME was designed with the belief that anyone looking for an
application will press the Windows key and then type the name of what
they're looking for rather than select it from a menu. That's how I do
it whether I use Windows, GNOME or KDE so I would agree with their
design choice.
GNOME was designed with the belief that anyone looking for an
application will press the Windows key and then type the name of what
they're looking for rather than select it from a menu. That's how I do
it whether I use Windows, GNOME or KDE so I would agree with their
design choice.
Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> wrote:
On Wed, 1 Jan 2025 11:44:29 -0500, -hh wrote:
[quote]
Unfortunately, the only way that this point actually becomes
"reasonable" is by finally admitting that many/most Linux fanboys are
chronic consummate cheapskates.
[/quote]
You omit that many/most commercial software packages are
EXTORTIONATE in that they capture users via proprietary
formats and subscription accounts. The only difference
between them and the gangsters of old are the machine
guns.
I can pay $100 for a 1/2" power drill and I can expect it
to last 25-50 years or more. (I inherited a power drill
from my grandfather that is almost 70 years old. The
only problem is a loose connection in the power cable
that can be easily fixed.)
That same $100 won't even buy a 1 month subscription
for a desktop software package.
The situation is borderline criminality.
Both software and information want to be free (as in
"freedom" and not "beer"). We are seeing this happen.
Commercial software on the desktop is an endangered species.
I can understand the airline industry paying big bucks
for flight reservation software, or the nuclear power industry
paying big bucks for control software, but a desktop spreadsheet
or word processor is trivial and should cost nothing.
Everything done on the desktop has been standardized decades
ago. There is no need for commercial software in this arena.
Clearly you're just ranting nonsense,
...people will pay M$ and Adobe for software if they really need it,
the question is more whether the average consumer needs them - I, for
one, prefer LO and GIMP
On 1/2/25 20:06, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
On 2025-01-02 14:42, rbowman wrote:
On Thu, 2 Jan 2025 08:36:41 -0500, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
I find GNOME rather clunky whereas KDE, at least on Fedora and Nobara, >>>> is perfect out of the box. I imagine that a lot of people who try out
Linux and face GNOME are going to wonder how to do the basics, and they >>>> will likely find that the way extensions work is rather clunky,
especially during upgrades. Meanwhile, KDE is very familiar and
offers a
ton of features they could only dream of in Windows like the desktop
effects, theming options and widgets. Unlike Cinnamon too, the widgets >>>> in KDE actually work as they should.
The Ubuntu box has GNOME. I live with it but I'm not a fan. I'd rather
have a menu structure rather than the 'Show Applications' button that
brings up three or four screens of unsorted stuff.
GNOME was designed with the belief that anyone looking for an
application will press the Windows key and then type the name of what
they're looking for rather than select it from a menu. That's how I do
it whether I use Windows, GNOME or KDE so I would agree with their
design choice.
I agree. I started using Gnome in 2014, it changed the way I use MS
Windows. Menus tend to be arbitrary, very difficult to find stuff. A
short task bar of frequently used apps and text search for other stuff
is much better.
For example, good luck finding a 1/2" power drill for sale new today for
just $100 which will last for even 10 years of use, let alone his
"25-50" claim: the days of bulletproof all metal body Craftsman or
Black & Decker power tools are long since gone.
On Wed, 1 Jan 2025 22:45:28 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote:
Yes, there are rules here, and ways to go around them, somehow. I
understand there is/was a cardboard disk that registers the truck speed.
Now there is some electronic version with a card with a chip
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_tachograph).
The trucks I drove were governed to 65 mph and the company wasn't
converned about the speed. The log book was a 9x12 booklet stapled
together with two staples where you recorded your statuses with a pen, drawing lines on a graph. The staples made it handy to remove fictional
pages after the fact after dreaming up a plausible legal description of
how you got from A to B that matched time stamped materials like fuel or
toll receipts. That was then.
https://www.businessnewsdaily.com/16099-electronic-logging-device.html
Now they know where you are, how fast you're moving, if you're taking
curves a little too aggressively, whether you're taking your breaks, and
so forth. Of course your route is logged so they know if you're dodging scales.
Over and above that if you have a hazardous materials endorsement you need
a DHS security check. Most trucking companies won't hire you without the HazMat endorsement. I never had many hazmat loads but seeming benign stuff like house paint can fall in the category so the company wants the flexibility.
On the plus side if you have placards for Poison or Explosives they give
you plenty of room at truck stops.
On Thu, 2 Jan 2025 16:11:11 -0500, -hh wrote:
For example, good luck finding a 1/2" power drill for sale new today for
just $100 which will last for even 10 years of use, let alone his
"25-50" claim: the days of bulletproof all metal body Craftsman or
Black & Decker power tools are long since gone.
I don't need "luck". I purchased a Milwaukee 1/2" for about $100
(maybe more maybe less). Milwaukee power tools are renowned throughout
the industrial trades as being perhaps the ultimate in quality.
Furthermore, all metal body construction was abandoned long ago due
to the shock hazards. The durable polymers that are now used are more
than an adequate substitute.
But this is all totally superfluous. The main point of the OP is that commercial software companies can easily produce software that can
last decades, if not forever, but such software would literally destroy
them as a business entity. Therefore they are forced into extortionate practices just to keep alive.
FOSS, OTOH, has no such ridiculous concerns.
On Wed, 1 Jan 2025, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2025-01-01 23:00, D wrote:
On Wed, 1 Jan 2025, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2025-01-01 12:43, D wrote:
On Tue, 31 Dec 2024, rbowman wrote:
On Tue, 31 Dec 2024 05:11:09 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
I'm not disputing whether BMWs are better vehicles, whether to
drive or
for some other reason. What I do notice is that many people who >>>>>>> drive
BMWs feel that the car confers some sort of superior class on the >>>>>>> driver, and they feel it is the God-given duty for us plebes who >>>>>>> drive
lesser cars to get out of their way - to the point of making
exasperated
hand gestures at those of us who don't.
When I was trucking I was amused by BMW drivers who tried to play
chicken
with a 65' long 18 wheeled vehicle outweighing them by about 75,000 >>>>>> pounds.
That reminds me... when I was in spain once, a big truck didn't
look out before changing lanes and almost pushed me off the road.
He saw it in time though and apologized. I had an elevated pulse
for a while.
Was that recently, or long ago?
Probably 2 or 3 years ago.
Lorry drivers in Spain, long ago, were known as gentlemen of the
road. Certainly not so in recent times. They are exploited, and it
shows in their tempers. They drive around tired.
Oh he definitely was very sorry about the incident, and as far as it
is possible for two humans to communicate wordlessly through windows,
my feeling was that he deeply sorry and apologetic about the
incident, so no shadow on that man.
Well, anybody can make mistakes :-)
They tend to change lane fast because otherwise a car comes and
impedes it. This forces the incoming traffic on the left lane to
brake and swear softly.
Yes, exactly what happened... semi-hard break and soft swearing. ;)
Once I overtook a lorry that had a wheel... dunno how to describe. It
had burst, part of the rubber was lost, and the rest of the rubber was
spinning loosely, still thankfully retained. I was amazed, did not
know what to do. I had passengers. I just speed past the danger. It
was very early in the morning.
I still do not know what I should had done. Probably pull back and
phone 112.
I drive most often i south-eastern spain and I find spanish highways excellent! Spain should designate some areas without speed limit. In
fact, there's a private highway that has very little traffic, since it
cost 10 euros or so to enter the stretch of road, and it is so straight
it could easily accomodate no speed limit! =) In fact, once, when I was happily driving around 165 in a little Fiat 500, a Mercedes overtook me.
He must have been driving around 240 or so.
(snipped, unread)
... as well as to post the receipt to substantiate your price claim.
Oh, I'm quite aware of that,
Depends on the use case, as well as the business model.
there's invariably places for improvement & patches.
FOSS, OTOH, has no such ridiculous concerns.
If that were truly a characteristic unique to FOSS, then Linux
(including Android) would never have had any security patch updates.
The Los Alfaques disaster was caused by the explosion of a road tanker
near a holiday campsite on 11 July 1978 in Alcanar, Spain. The exploding truck, which was carrying 23 tons of highly flammable liquefied
propylene, killed 215 people and severely burned 200 more.
... That was when cars had real bumpers and frames so the actual
damage dropped off rapidly.
https://policies.python.org/python.org/code-of-conduct/
What isn't 'woke' these days? The language is over the top but does the
end result really differ from civilized behavior in the workplace?
Ahh, the days of the 5mph bumper: DoT regulatiuons required that new
cars must have bumpers that would allow a 5 mph hit without structural
damage to the car. Carter years?
Then came the new car designs with crumple zones, and that was the end
of that.
On 2025-01-02, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
https://policies.python.org/python.org/code-of-conduct/
What isn't 'woke' these days? The language is over the top but does the
end result really differ from civilized behavior in the workplace?
The problem seems to be that some a**holes NEED to be smacked with regulations before they will live up to basic civility. And then they complain about "woke tyranny".
On Fri, 3 Jan 2025 01:46:39 -0000 (UTC), Lars Poulsen wrote:
Ahh, the days of the 5mph bumper: DoT regulatiuons required that new
cars must have bumpers that would allow a 5 mph hit without structural
damage to the car. Carter years?
Can't blame Jimmy for that one. It all started in '71, so Nixon years.
Then came the new car designs with crumple zones, and that was the end
of that.
A kid with a plow on his pickup made an illegal left turn and hit my
Toyota. Neither of us were doing much more than 20 mph. No injuries, no
air bags, and since I was only a mile and a half from home I drove the car back telling the cop to call off the wrecker.
When the guy from the auto body place selected by the insurance company
came to pick it up, he took a quick look and said 'totaled'. I thought it
was mostly plastic cosmetics but the frame had crumbled.
On 01/01/2025 23:17, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
hank you. But there isn't really any reason why you HAVE to use just
one distro...
There is also no reason why I would use another.
Yes.
The *only* reason I run a headless raspios/Debian setup is because that
is the most used and best known version for the Pi.
Otherwise its Mint all the way. Its *good enough*...
On Thu, 2 Jan 2025, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 01/01/2025 21:33, rbowman wrote:
wiw, the company I worked for at the times didn't find excellence either >>> and is gone. Come to think of it every company I ever worked for
directly
or on contract is gone. Maybe I'm the kiss of death?
Companies exist in a phase of 'rising star' 'mature' 'cash cow' and
'death spiral'
IBM for example died years ago - the company today is just the old
business services division.
No company I ever worked for is extant today in anything like its
original form.
I wonder if a new owner would be able to shake some life into z and p?
As it is, IBM seems to be trying to kill those lines hard with high prices.
On Wed, 1 Jan 2025, chrisv wrote:
D wrote:
Your other two recent posts were deleted, unread.
This sounds to me like you admit defeat. (snipped, unread)
Trolling 101. Claim victory in the midst of defeat.
The reality is that I'm so much better that after making my point I
can ignore what dipshits say, with the confidence that no decent
person would side with the dipshit.
Your 4:01 post was deleted, unread, as will every post that you make
in this thread, from now on.
Ahh... I won! It was a good fight chris, but you met someone better and
lost. =)
Find an old International Harvester truck ... SOLID steel all
through. Parts may be tricky though ...
I think IBM still has a future, just not making PCs and typewriters.
STILL doing good chip work however ...
but mostly for internal consumption.
I owned (own?) Photoshop 6 (or 5?) back in the mid 2000s. Bought used on eBay, I think. I messed with it for a few hours and decided it wasn't my
"cup of tea," and gave up on it. They talk about GIMP becoming
complicated.
What did they think Photoshop was... a walk in the park? If I remember correctly, Photoshop 5 or 6 didn't look a lot different than GIMP.
I shall treat this golden wisdom with the reverence it deserves. Thank
you, O great sage, for blessing me with the insights of your mighty
brain.
Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha!
*Master* of rhetoric.
Charlie Gibbs wrote:
For many people, it's nothing more than a pissing match over the number
of features that their favourite software package offers. Whether they >>actually use those features or not is irrelevant.
Meanwhile, those of us who just want to get the job done ignore all
that and look for a package that does what we want without all that
other stuff getting the way.
The Photoshop lackeys are always the instigators. They seem greatly >distressed by the fact that some folks do not worship their idol.
On Thu, 26 Dec 2024 08:41:03 -0500, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
How long has version 3 been in the works? Seems like years.
Too long for you? Well, then why don't you contribute to its
development?
GIMP offers many channels for contributors.
Otherwise stop complaining. This is FOSS, and FOSS does
not magically grow on trees.
GIMP is one of the great wonders of the FOSS world.
GIMP outshines commercial competitors in many areas but
commercial software is oriented towards idiots. GIMP,
for the most part, is not.
Like LibreOffice, GIMP is GIMP and it does not attempt
any emulation.
On Thu, 26 Dec 2024 20:45:44 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
So, is it an actual “clone” of the Photoshop UI or not? If it is
identical to the Photoshop UI, then it would be just as “clunky and
awkward” as Photoshop.
I've never used PhotoShop but I consider GIMP an excellent example of how
not to do it. The latest I have is 2.10 on Debian; I don't know if 3 is
any better.
On Thu, 26 Dec 2024 17:13:34 +0000
Farley Flud <fflud@gnu.rocks> wrote:
Like LibreOffice, GIMP is GIMP and it does not attempt
any emulation.
That's a farcical claim, when its UI from the get-go has been a naked
clone of Photoshop - first in its original Mac-style "separate windows
for documents & tool palettes" incarnation, and then in its later
"single window, tool palette on the left, extended options docked on
the right" version. The biggest difference is that Photoshop's workflow
and UX choices are generally well thought-out and helpful, while GIMP's
are clunky and awkward.
(Shame, because GIMP's technical functionality is quite solid. Yet
another cautionary tale about the unfortunate tendency of programmers,
left to themselves, to treat user experience and UI design as an afterthought...)
On 2024-12-27, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:
There's no doubt that running Windows or macOS allows one to access
commercial software that would best GIMP, but that doesn't mean GIMP
is without a lot of use, it's good enough for me to get by, as LO or
WPS Office suites for me are fine, I'm not married to M$ or Adobe. But
we have to understand the people who are married to them, and feel
lucky that our burdens are so much lighter.
For many people, it's nothing more than a pissing match over the number
of features that their favourite software package offers. Whether they actually use those features or not is irrelevant.
Meanwhile, those of us who just want to get the job done ignore all
that and look for a package that does what we want without all that
other stuff getting the way.
Ah we have a total dickhead in the group
On Thu, 26 Dec 2024 11:59:11 -0800, John Ames wrote:
(I could write an essay on how slackass GIMP's UI design is
One must fell a tree.
One is confronted with an axe and a chainsaw.
I choose the axe and I can bring down that tree faster than
some flabby idiot who has no choice but to pick up the chain saw.
On Fri, 27 Dec 2024 14:26:30 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
Ah we have a total dickhead in the group
You got that part right.
But the actual identity thereof might give you quite a shock.
Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha!
On 2024-12-27 10:25, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
On 2024-12-27, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:
There's no doubt that running Windows or macOS allows one to access
commercial software that would best GIMP, but that doesn't mean GIMP
is without a lot of use, it's good enough for me to get by, as LO or
WPS Office suites for me are fine, I'm not married to M$ or Adobe. But
we have to understand the people who are married to them, and feel
lucky that our burdens are so much lighter.
For many people, it's nothing more than a pissing match over the number
of features that their favourite software package offers. Whether they
actually use those features or not is irrelevant.
Meanwhile, those of us who just want to get the job done ignore all
that and look for a package that does what we want without all that
other stuff getting the way.
Well, I appreciate that I can get gratis a piece of software that is
that good. Maybe commercial software is better, dunno. It doesn't matter
to me, it covers way more than my needs.
On Thu, 26 Dec 2024 11:59:11 -0800, John Ames wrote:
(I could write an essay on how slackass GIMP's UI design is
One must fell a tree.
One is confronted with an axe and a chainsaw.
I choose the axe and I can bring down that tree faster than
some flabby idiot who has no choice but to pick up the chain saw.
I'm not a professional logger. I'm just an old farmer who over the years
has used both, and if well maintained the saw is faster and more
accurate for putting the tree where you want it instead of on your
pickup truck.
I've also bucked the tree into pieces with a chainsaw and with a
crosscut hand saw, both one-man and two-man, and the chainsaw is easier, faster, and better.
I've also split many a log into firewood with a hammer and wedges, as
well as with a gasoline-powered hydraulic log splitter, and the log
splitter will split tangled logs into usable pieces with ease that a
hammer and wedges won't touch no matter how long you beat on them.
Perhaps you believe that the exercise from using hand tools is better
for health. Well, anybody who thinks you don't get a workout when using
power tools to put up a winter's supply of firewood clearly has never actually done the task.
rbowman wrote this post while blinking in Morse code:
On Thu, 26 Dec 2024 20:45:44 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
So, is it an actual “clone” of the Photoshop UI or not? If it is
identical to the Photoshop UI, then it would be just as “clunky and
awkward” as Photoshop.
I've never used PhotoShop but I consider GIMP an excellent example of
how not to do it. The latest I have is 2.10 on Debian; I don't know if
3 is any better.
Meh. One gets used to a product.... or moves on.
On Fri, 27 Dec 2024 07:59:15 -0500, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
rbowman wrote this post while blinking in Morse code:
On Thu, 26 Dec 2024 20:45:44 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
So, is it an actual “clone” of the Photoshop UI or not? If it is
identical to the Photoshop UI, then it would be just as “clunky and
awkward” as Photoshop.
I've never used PhotoShop but I consider GIMP an excellent example of
how not to do it. The latest I have is 2.10 on Debian; I don't know if
3 is any better.
Meh. One gets used to a product.... or moves on.
I never used GIMP enough to get used to it. The use case: I've scraped
some SVG icons that I need to lightly edit; I do not have PhotoShop but I
do have GIMP on the Linux box. I start GIMP and find something that wants
to spawn windows like mold spores reproducing in a Petri dish.
GIMP certainly wasn't the only application to take that approach. There
was a period where you had to have dialogs you could tear off and let
float around or dock at various points. Thankfully it seems to have
passed.
I think Inkscape is better for SVG. Even a big Windows .NET programmer
type at work would use it to create his icons and logos.
Well, I appreciate that I can get gratis a piece of software that is
that good.
On Fri, 27 Dec 2024 14:57:55 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote:
Well, I appreciate that I can get gratis a piece of software that is
that good.
If you think Free Software could be better, and you would rather not give money to a proprietary company, why not contribute some of that money to
the development of the Free Software and help make it better?
On Fri, 27 Dec 2024 14:57:55 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote:
Well, I appreciate that I can get gratis a piece of software that is
that good.
If you think Free Software could be better, and you would rather not give money to a proprietary company, why not contribute some of that money to
the development of the Free Software and help make it better?
Farley Flud wrote:
Charlie Gibbs wrote:
For many people, it's nothing more than a pissing match over the number
of features that their favourite software package offers. Whether they
actually use those features or not is irrelevant.
Meanwhile, those of us who just want to get the job done ignore all
that and look for a package that does what we want without all that
other stuff getting the way.
Indeed. I was tired of hearing about it decades ago. I've never once
had any need for either.
The Photoshop lackeys are always the instigators. They seem greatly
distressed by the fact that some folks do not worship their idol.
And, golly gee, the free product isn't as good as the expensive
product. What a "tragedy".
On 1/2/25 6:33 AM, D wrote:
On Thu, 2 Jan 2025, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 01/01/2025 21:33, rbowman wrote:
wiw, the company I worked for at the times didn't find excellence
either
and is gone. Come to think of it every company I ever worked for
directly
or on contract is gone. Maybe I'm the kiss of death?
Companies exist in a phase of 'rising star' 'mature' 'cash cow' and
'death spiral'
IBM for example died years ago - the company today is just the old
business services division.
No company I ever worked for is extant today in anything like its
original form.
I wonder if a new owner would be able to shake some life into z and p?
As it is, IBM seems to be trying to kill those lines hard with high
prices.
I've got a fair bit of IBM stock ... it's NOT "dead",
indeed pays pretty good interest. The corp just found
other ways to make a buck and is large enough to make
it work.
But its core biz is NOT exactly what it was in the 80s
and previous.
You still CAN buy an IBM mainframe - up to four linked
Big Black Z Boxes with impressive specs. Even runs the
IBM-branded RedHat if you want (many do). If you've
got a busy global biz, a good way to go.
On Fri, 3 Jan 2025 01:46:39 -0000 (UTC), Lars Poulsen wrote:
Ahh, the days of the 5mph bumper: DoT regulatiuons required that new
cars must have bumpers that would allow a 5 mph hit without structural
damage to the car. Carter years?
Can't blame Jimmy for that one. It all started in '71, so Nixon years.
Then came the new car designs with crumple zones, and that was the end
of that.
On 2025-01-02 14:42, rbowman wrote:
On Thu, 2 Jan 2025 08:36:41 -0500, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
I find GNOME rather clunky whereas KDE, at least on Fedora and Nobara,
is perfect out of the box. I imagine that a lot of people who try out
Linux and face GNOME are going to wonder how to do the basics, and they
will likely find that the way extensions work is rather clunky,
especially during upgrades. Meanwhile, KDE is very familiar and offers a >>> ton of features they could only dream of in Windows like the desktop
effects, theming options and widgets. Unlike Cinnamon too, the widgets
in KDE actually work as they should.
The Ubuntu box has GNOME. I live with it but I'm not a fan. I'd rather
have a menu structure rather than the 'Show Applications' button that
brings up three or four screens of unsorted stuff.
GNOME was designed with the belief that anyone looking for an
application will press the Windows key and then type the name of what
they're looking for rather than select it from a menu. That's how I do
it whether I use Windows, GNOME or KDE so I would agree with their
design choice.
On 1/2/25 6:22 AM, D wrote:
On Wed, 1 Jan 2025, chrisv wrote:
D wrote:
Your other two recent posts were deleted, unread.
This sounds to me like you admit defeat. (snipped, unread)
Trolling 101. Claim victory in the midst of defeat.
The reality is that I'm so much better that after making my point I
can ignore what dipshits say, with the confidence that no decent
person would side with the dipshit.
Your 4:01 post was deleted, unread, as will every post that you make
in this thread, from now on.
Ahh... I won! It was a good fight chris, but you met someone better and
lost. =)
Goodness, chrisv's new year just hasn't started out well for him.
Time will tell if he metastasizes into YA case of chronic butthurt.
-hh
On 1/2/25 6:28 AM, D wrote:
On Thu, 2 Jan 2025, rbowman wrote:
On Wed, 1 Jan 2025 23:20:50 +0100, D wrote:
Jokes aside, I always thought they all look like Kristi Noem. I can live >>>> with that! =D
There are quite a few of that model. She's Norwegian and according to the >>> 2000 census 10.6% of the state claimed Norwegian ancestry, beating the
Indians by 3%. fwiw, 27% claimed German ancestry. A friend in the know
told me the majority of the Sons of Norway are Germans. That will teach
them to open membership to non-Norwegians.
While it's changing but if you look around at any local event it could be >>> any place in northern Europe.
Santa brought me that book about norwegians emigrating to the US. It is
waiting for me, when I get back to eastern europe (the book store lost it, >> had to track it, and ship it again, but now it's waiting for me). Looking
forward to it! =)
I just happened to see this post this week - it has a DNA map from Viking grave sites across Europe:
<https://www.facebook.com/ScienceNaturePage/photos/a-massive-effort-to-sequence-the-dna-of-vikings-across-europe-was-recently-publi/1126048608976007/?_rdr>
TL;DR: the Vikings got all over the place, predominantly by navigating up rivers ...
Including within Germany, so the statement of a lot of Germans as members of the Sons of Norway makes sense.
-hh
On Thu, 2 Jan 2025 08:36:41 -0500, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
I find GNOME rather clunky whereas KDE, at least on Fedora and Nobara,
is perfect out of the box. I imagine that a lot of people who try out
Linux and face GNOME are going to wonder how to do the basics, and they
will likely find that the way extensions work is rather clunky,
especially during upgrades. Meanwhile, KDE is very familiar and offers a
ton of features they could only dream of in Windows like the desktop
effects, theming options and widgets. Unlike Cinnamon too, the widgets
in KDE actually work as they should.
The Ubuntu box has GNOME. I live with it but I'm not a fan. I'd rather
have a menu structure rather than the 'Show Applications' button that
brings up three or four screens of unsorted stuff.
On Thu, 2 Jan 2025 12:30:14 +0100, D wrote:
Postgres is interesting. It's old, but doesn't get mentioned a lot these
days. Would you say their engineering culture is something to study?
Are you kidding?
https://www.enterprisedb.com/blog/postgres-most-admired-database-in-stack- overflow-2023
https://www.timescale.com/blog/postgres-for-everything
What is important to me is the PostGIS add-on.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PostGIS
SQLite has a similar extension:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SpatiaLite
I've heard that many people do not like the python 2 to 3 debacle, and
that python is becoming worse from a governance perspective. I've heard
the woke mind virus has settled deep within the python project.
The backward incompatibility did put people off. Up until ArcGIS 11.x
Esri's ArcPy tools were based on Python 2.7 so my scripts needed to be updated. However 10.7 was the end of the line for the 32-bit Esri tools
along with 2.7 Python so everything changed with 11.
https://policies.python.org/python.org/code-of-conduct/
What isn't 'woke' these days? The language is over the top but does the
end result really differ from civilized behavior in the workplace?
What isn't 'woke' these days? The language is over the top but does the
end result really differ from civilized behavior in the workplace?
On 2025-01-02 14:42, rbowman wrote:
On Thu, 2 Jan 2025 08:36:41 -0500, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
I find GNOME rather clunky whereas KDE, at least on Fedora and Nobara,
is perfect out of the box. I imagine that a lot of people who try out
Linux and face GNOME are going to wonder how to do the basics, and they
will likely find that the way extensions work is rather clunky,
especially during upgrades. Meanwhile, KDE is very familiar and offers a >>> ton of features they could only dream of in Windows like the desktop
effects, theming options and widgets. Unlike Cinnamon too, the widgets
in KDE actually work as they should.
The Ubuntu box has GNOME. I live with it but I'm not a fan. I'd rather
have a menu structure rather than the 'Show Applications' button that
brings up three or four screens of unsorted stuff.
GNOME was designed with the belief that anyone looking for an
application will press the Windows key and then type the name of what
they're looking for rather than select it from a menu. That's how I do
it whether I use Windows, GNOME or KDE so I would agree with their
design choice.
On 2025-01-02, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
https://policies.python.org/python.org/code-of-conduct/
What isn't 'woke' these days? The language is over the top but does the
end result really differ from civilized behavior in the workplace?
The problem seems to be that some a**holes NEED to be smacked with regulations before they will live up to basic civility. And then they complain about "woke tyranny".
On 2025-01-02, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
... That was when cars had real bumpers and frames so the actual
damage dropped off rapidly.
Ahh, the days of the 5mph bumper: DoT regulatiuons required that new
cars must have bumpers that would allow a 5 mph hit without structural
damage to the car. Carter years?
Then came the new car designs with crumple zones, and that was the end
of that.
On 2025-01-02 12:20, D wrote:
On Wed, 1 Jan 2025, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2025-01-01 23:00, D wrote:
On Wed, 1 Jan 2025, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2025-01-01 12:43, D wrote:
On Tue, 31 Dec 2024, rbowman wrote:Was that recently, or long ago?
On Tue, 31 Dec 2024 05:11:09 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
I'm not disputing whether BMWs are better vehicles, whether to drive >>>>>>>> or
for some other reason. What I do notice is that many people who >>>>>>>> drive
BMWs feel that the car confers some sort of superior class on the >>>>>>>> driver, and they feel it is the God-given duty for us plebes who >>>>>>>> drive
lesser cars to get out of their way - to the point of making
exasperated
hand gestures at those of us who don't.
When I was trucking I was amused by BMW drivers who tried to play >>>>>>> chicken
with a 65' long 18 wheeled vehicle outweighing them by about 75,000 >>>>>>> pounds.
That reminds me... when I was in spain once, a big truck didn't look >>>>>> out before changing lanes and almost pushed me off the road. He saw it >>>>>> in time though and apologized. I had an elevated pulse for a while. >>>>>
Probably 2 or 3 years ago.
Lorry drivers in Spain, long ago, were known as gentlemen of the road. >>>>> Certainly not so in recent times. They are exploited, and it shows in >>>>> their tempers. They drive around tired.
Oh he definitely was very sorry about the incident, and as far as it is >>>> possible for two humans to communicate wordlessly through windows, my
feeling was that he deeply sorry and apologetic about the incident, so no >>>> shadow on that man.
Well, anybody can make mistakes :-)
They tend to change lane fast because otherwise a car comes and impedes >>>>> it. This forces the incoming traffic on the left lane to brake and swear >>>>> softly.
Yes, exactly what happened... semi-hard break and soft swearing. ;)
Once I overtook a lorry that had a wheel... dunno how to describe. It had >>> burst, part of the rubber was lost, and the rest of the rubber was
spinning loosely, still thankfully retained. I was amazed, did not know
what to do. I had passengers. I just speed past the danger. It was very
early in the morning.
I still do not know what I should had done. Probably pull back and phone >>> 112.
I drive most often i south-eastern spain and I find spanish highways
excellent! Spain should designate some areas without speed limit. In fact, >> there's a private highway that has very little traffic, since it cost 10
euros or so to enter the stretch of road, and it is so straight it could
easily accomodate no speed limit! =) In fact, once, when I was happily
driving around 165 in a little Fiat 500, a Mercedes overtook me. He must
have been driving around 240 or so.
There some terrible highways around here. There is one, the RM-1 where the ground has shifted, so badly that if you pass doing 120Km/h your horns will make holes in the roof. Bumps on the road surface.
Instead of repairing them, they limited the speed to 100 or less.
<https://www.google.es/maps/@37.9363242,-0.9704533,11z?entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI0MTIxMS4wIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D>
You may notice that it is not connected to other highways on the north end. They are still arguing who is going to pay, for a decade or so.
On 1/2/25 6:33 AM, D wrote:
On Thu, 2 Jan 2025, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 01/01/2025 21:33, rbowman wrote:
wiw, the company I worked for at the times didn't find excellence either >>>> and is gone. Come to think of it every company I ever worked for directly >>>> or on contract is gone. Maybe I'm the kiss of death?
Companies exist in a phase of 'rising star' 'mature' 'cash cow' and 'death >>> spiral'
IBM for example died years ago - the company today is just the old
business services division.
No company I ever worked for is extant today in anything like its original >>> form.
I wonder if a new owner would be able to shake some life into z and p? As
it is, IBM seems to be trying to kill those lines hard with high prices.
I've got a fair bit of IBM stock ... it's NOT "dead",
indeed pays pretty good interest. The corp just found
other ways to make a buck and is large enough to make
it work.
But its core biz is NOT exactly what it was in the 80s
and previous.
You still CAN buy an IBM mainframe - up to four linked
Big Black Z Boxes with impressive specs. Even runs the
IBM-branded RedHat if you want (many do). If you've
got a busy global biz, a good way to go.
https://www.ibm.com/z
Hmmm ... saw something about Plan-9 being ported
to the Z-Boxes ... they were very proud.
I think IBM still has a future, just not making PCs
and typewriters. STILL doing good chip work however ...
but mostly for internal consumption.
On the neg ... IBMs 'AI', "Watson", was originally
a triumph but seems to have fallen a bit behind the
proverbial curve of late. It's still very 'biz
oriented' and has a medical diagnostics branch that's
quite good, but it's not as 'general' as Chat
or OpenAI.
On Fri, 3 Jan 2025, Lars Poulsen wrote:
On 2025-01-02, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
https://policies.python.org/python.org/code-of-conduct/
What isn't 'woke' these days? The language is over the top but does the
end result really differ from civilized behavior in the workplace?
The problem seems to be that some a**holes NEED to be smacked with
regulations before they will live up to basic civility. And then they
complain about "woke tyranny".
That might be true. It is also true that some people are severely and unjustly punished for being conservative christians, pro-Trump, or just
plain conservative.
On 1/2/25 6:22 AM, D wrote:
On Wed, 1 Jan 2025, chrisv wrote:
D wrote:
Your other two recent posts were deleted, unread.
This sounds to me like you admit defeat. (snipped, unread)
Trolling 101. Claim victory in the midst of defeat.
The reality is that I'm so much better that after making my point I
can ignore what dipshits say, with the confidence that no decent
person would side with the dipshit.
Your 4:01 post was deleted, unread, as will every post that you make
in this thread, from now on.
Ahh... I won! It was a good fight chris, but you met someone better and
lost. =)
Ah ... "The Wars" return ...... not unexpected alas ...
seems a 'Human Thing", the quest for elevated 'status'
forever and always. On This Episode of Game Of Thrones ...
Fortunately it's not 'war' over Linux Stuff again (yet).
Hey, I can't program a TCP stack from memory or know
every detail of sockets at the ASM level (and no, I did
not have an extensive ed in every 'philosophy')- guess
that makes me totally inferior and useless. Always
was a Jack Of All Trades, Master Of Few. Whatever,
I ain't that proud, good for what I'm good for and
that's good enough :-)
No I think it is just because someone pulled in comp.os.linux.advocacy.
Seems a lot of trolls reside there. I looked into it, found it way to annoying, and stopped. But I got a reminder of why I stopped reading
that group.
On Fri, 3 Jan 2025, Lars Poulsen wrote:
On 2025-01-02, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
https://policies.python.org/python.org/code-of-conduct/
What isn't 'woke' these days? The language is over the top but does the
end result really differ from civilized behavior in the workplace?
The problem seems to be that some a**holes NEED to be smacked with
regulations before they will live up to basic civility. And then they
complain about "woke tyranny".
That might be true. It is also true that some people are severely and unjustly punished for being conservative christians, pro-Trump, or just
plain conservative. That's a woke abomination in open source and is
exactly what leads to the culture wars and cancellations we have.
On 2025-01-02 21:06, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
On 2025-01-02 14:42, rbowman wrote:
On Thu, 2 Jan 2025 08:36:41 -0500, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
I find GNOME rather clunky whereas KDE, at least on Fedora and Nobara, >>>> is perfect out of the box. I imagine that a lot of people who try out
Linux and face GNOME are going to wonder how to do the basics, and they >>>> will likely find that the way extensions work is rather clunky,
especially during upgrades. Meanwhile, KDE is very familiar and offers a >>>> ton of features they could only dream of in Windows like the desktop
effects, theming options and widgets. Unlike Cinnamon too, the widgets >>>> in KDE actually work as they should.
The Ubuntu box has GNOME. I live with it but I'm not a fan. I'd rather
have a menu structure rather than the 'Show Applications' button that
brings up three or four screens of unsorted stuff.
GNOME was designed with the belief that anyone looking for an
application will press the Windows key and then type the name of what
they're looking for rather than select it from a menu. That's how I do
it whether I use Windows, GNOME or KDE so I would agree with their
design choice.
What if you are new and don't know the name of the applications?
On 1/2/25 20:06, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
On 2025-01-02 14:42, rbowman wrote:
On Thu, 2 Jan 2025 08:36:41 -0500, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
I find GNOME rather clunky whereas KDE, at least on Fedora and Nobara, >>>> is perfect out of the box. I imagine that a lot of people who try out
Linux and face GNOME are going to wonder how to do the basics, and they >>>> will likely find that the way extensions work is rather clunky,
especially during upgrades. Meanwhile, KDE is very familiar and offers a >>>> ton of features they could only dream of in Windows like the desktop
effects, theming options and widgets. Unlike Cinnamon too, the widgets >>>> in KDE actually work as they should.
The Ubuntu box has GNOME. I live with it but I'm not a fan. I'd rather
have a menu structure rather than the 'Show Applications' button that
brings up three or four screens of unsorted stuff.
GNOME was designed with the belief that anyone looking for an
application will press the Windows key and then type the name of what
they're looking for rather than select it from a menu. That's how I do
it whether I use Windows, GNOME or KDE so I would agree with their
design choice.
I agree. I started using Gnome in 2014, it changed the way I use MS
Windows. Menus tend to be arbitrary, very difficult to find stuff. A
short task bar of frequently used apps and text search for other stuff
is much better.
On 1/3/25 6:32 AM, D wrote:
On Fri, 3 Jan 2025, Lars Poulsen wrote:
On 2025-01-02, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
https://policies.python.org/python.org/code-of-conduct/
What isn't 'woke' these days? The language is over the top but does the >>>> end result really differ from civilized behavior in the workplace?
The problem seems to be that some a**holes NEED to be smacked with
regulations before they will live up to basic civility. And then they
complain about "woke tyranny".
That might be true. It is also true that some people are severely and
unjustly punished for being conservative christians, pro-Trump, or
just plain conservative.
These actions you're defending as 'unjust' were things like killing
someone because they happened to be gay/black/different, right?
There's extreme cases of assholitry that have no place in Society; the question is how to establish a fair, uniform and transparent standard
that won't be abused by those who's personal biases make them prone to
being an abuser (see religious leaders & pedophilia for YA example).
On 2025-01-02 21:06, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
On 2025-01-02 14:42, rbowman wrote:
On Thu, 2 Jan 2025 08:36:41 -0500, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
I find GNOME rather clunky whereas KDE, at least on Fedora and Nobara, >>>> is perfect out of the box. I imagine that a lot of people who try out
Linux and face GNOME are going to wonder how to do the basics, and they >>>> will likely find that the way extensions work is rather clunky,
especially during upgrades. Meanwhile, KDE is very familiar and
offers a
ton of features they could only dream of in Windows like the desktop
effects, theming options and widgets. Unlike Cinnamon too, the widgets >>>> in KDE actually work as they should.
The Ubuntu box has GNOME. I live with it but I'm not a fan. I'd rather
have a menu structure rather than the 'Show Applications' button that
brings up three or four screens of unsorted stuff.
GNOME was designed with the belief that anyone looking for an
application will press the Windows key and then type the name of what
they're looking for rather than select it from a menu. That's how I do
it whether I use Windows, GNOME or KDE so I would agree with their
design choice.
What if you are new and don't know the name of the applications?
On Thu, 2 Jan 2025, rbowman wrote:
On Thu, 2 Jan 2025 08:36:41 -0500, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
I find GNOME rather clunky whereas KDE, at least on Fedora and Nobara,
is perfect out of the box. I imagine that a lot of people who try out
Linux and face GNOME are going to wonder how to do the basics, and they
will likely find that the way extensions work is rather clunky,
especially during upgrades. Meanwhile, KDE is very familiar and offers a >>> ton of features they could only dream of in Windows like the desktop
effects, theming options and widgets. Unlike Cinnamon too, the widgets
in KDE actually work as they should.
The Ubuntu box has GNOME. I live with it but I'm not a fan. I'd rather
have a menu structure rather than the 'Show Applications' button that
brings up three or four screens of unsorted stuff.
I've been running XFCE for at least a decade and I for me it is a nice
sweet spot of a more comprehensive desktop environment that is also
fairly light on resources.
I do not use the menu system, but only a keyboard launcher instead.
D wrote:
No I think it is just because someone pulled in comp.os.linux.advocacy.
Seems a lot of trolls reside there. I looked into it, found it way to
annoying, and stopped. But I got a reminder of why I stopped reading
that group.
Yup. Ain't that the truth.
Linux is good all by itself. Doesn't need advocacy.
On 03/01/2025 11:45, D wrote:
No I think it is just because someone pulled in
comp.os.linux.advocacy. Seems a lot of trolls reside there. I looked
into it, found it way to annoying, and stopped. But I got a reminder
of why I stopped reading that group.
Yup. Ain't that the truth.
Linux is good all by itself. Doesn't need advocacy.
OpenSUSE is also great - but I'm worried about how
it uses the now IBM-owned sources.
On Fri, 3 Jan 2025 08:10:24 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:
I owned (own?) Photoshop 6 (or 5?) back in the mid 2000s. Bought used on
eBay, I think. I messed with it for a few hours and decided it wasn't my
"cup of tea," and gave up on it. They talk about GIMP becoming
complicated.
What did they think Photoshop was... a walk in the park? If I remember
correctly, Photoshop 5 or 6 didn't look a lot different than GIMP.
I had something way way back.
All I remember was almost developing carpal
tunnel screwing around with pixels. I don't have the greatest hand/eye coordination which is a real drawback for video games and image editing.
(snipped, unread)
I used to have Photoshop Elements on the Mac; I never used it. Since
then, I've practically never needed to use such an application. If I
have, Paint.net or GIMP did the job. I have yet to sit in the corner of
a room holding my knees and crying because I didn't have Photoshop
installed.
I owned (own?) Photoshop 6 (or 5?) back in the mid 2000s. Bought used on eBay, I think. I messed with it for a few hours and decided it wasn't my
"cup of tea," and gave up on it. They talk about GIMP becoming complicated. What did they think Photoshop was... a walk in the park? If I remember correctly, Photoshop 5 or 6 didn't look a lot different than GIMP.
Whoop dee do. If I
actually needed to use Photoshop (I don't) than I would install it (or rent >>> it, or however you use it now) on either a Mac or Windows machine.
Non-problem solved. I would venture to guess that the vast majority of
Windows users don't use Photoshop either.
They don't. The only people using it and/or requiring it work in the
field of photography or image manipulation. I would bet that most of us
don't even know people that work in the former or latter fields.
I've only ever been around Photoshop at the print shop where I worked
(except for my short and lame attempt at learning it). If it's a tool you need, by all means get it. I'm guessing the Windows or Mac computer you
would need to run it would be cheaper to buy than the Photoshop application itself. To pretend it's a reason NOT to use Linux is absurd and extreme clutching at straws.
Here is an argument for using software under Linux: you don't need to
create an account to download the software, and don't need to create
another to use it. In fact, you don't need to identify yourself at all
to use your computer.
The few times I've used GIMP it's done what I needed it to do. I don't manipulate photos much (or hardly at all). It would be a total waste of my money to rent Photoshop. (I think the hobbyists who do rent it, probably use it sparingly, i.e., they're basically wasting their money.) But that's their prerogative.
Even taking away the cost factor from Windows software, it's a pain in the butt to keep registered and (even when you can buy it) upgrades are often expensive.
For example, I bought Fade In, proprietary screenwriting software that works in Linux, Windows and Macs for $80 a few years ago. Its license allows me to use it on as many computers as I want, in any combination of Windows, Linux or Macs. (I've tested it on Windows and Macs, but I use it in Linux.) Since
I bought it there has been one major upgrade from v3 to v4 and many small point upgrades. I have never paid for a single upgrade.
Compare it to Final Draft (which doesn't work on Linux), which costs $250 (usually on sale for about $200, sometimes cheaper). It comes with a license that allows it to be used on three computers (only for one platform). You
buy the Windows version, it only works on Windows, same with the Mac
version, only Macs. You have to activate your licenses via the Internet. If you want to put it on another computer (and you're out of activations), you have to deactivate it from the old computer and activate it on the new one. If your computer crashes, you've lost one of your activations. You can get
it back by requesting it and hoping they believe you. That is, you can get
it back IF the version of your Final Draft is new enough to still be supported. If you're using an older version of Final Draft and it
deactivates for whatever reason, you're shit out of luck. They'll offer to sell you an upgrade for $100. If you're using an older Mac computer (for example) and it's not supported by the newer version of Final Draft, again, you're shit out of luck. Many writers upgrade every time Final Draft comes out with a new version, at $100 a pop. Then there's a whole slew of serious issues reports for about a year because Final Draft (like Microsoft) uses their buyers as beta testers. And, like Microsoft, it takes forever to get a bug fix.
Compare that to Fade In. Somebody on Reddit wanted a feature. I got hold of the publisher, in three days there was a new version of Fade In with the new feature added. The publisher of Fade In is also a screenwriter. Final Draft is owned by a corporation and Final Draft is a side business for them. And since they're the self-proclaimed "standard," they have the "take it or
leave it" attitude. Not surprisingly a lot of people are moving to Fade In (and several other lesser known applications) — including my favorite, Trelby — which has just gotten a new release and it's completely free and open.
(Yeah, I rambled. Sorry.)
On 03/01/2025 11:58, -hh wrote:
On 1/3/25 6:32 AM, D wrote:
On Fri, 3 Jan 2025, Lars Poulsen wrote:
On 2025-01-02, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
https://policies.python.org/python.org/code-of-conduct/
What isn't 'woke' these days? The language is over the top but does
the
end result really differ from civilized behavior in the workplace?
The problem seems to be that some a**holes NEED to be smacked with
regulations before they will live up to basic civility. And then they
complain about "woke tyranny".
That might be true. It is also true that some people are severely and
unjustly punished for being conservative christians, pro-Trump, or
just plain conservative.
These actions you're defending as 'unjust' were things like killing
someone because they happened to be gay/black/different, right?
No.
It means losing your career and livelihood because you said that women
don't have a penis.
Or because you said that Mohammed wasn't a very nice person, after all.
Or losing an eye because of that.
Or losing your career and livelihood because you failed to endorse
wokery in every performance and every film play or radio drama that you
were involved in.
Or losing your career and livelihood because you failed to endorse 'man
made climate change'.
There's extreme cases of assholitry that have no place in Society; theAbolish woke.
question is how to establish a fair, uniform and transparent standard
that won't be abused by those who's personal biases make them prone to
being an abuser (see religious leaders & pedophilia for YA example).
Make it perfectly legal to think anything and say anything that is not a direct incitement to public violence.
Battle racism by repealing all laws that diifferentiate between ethnic groups
Let society, not the Law, judge whether a man in a summer frock is
really a woman or just a sick saddo.
On Fri, 3 Jan 2025 00:49:59 -0500, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:
Find an old International Harvester truck ... SOLID steel all
through. Parts may be tricky though ...
My '86 F-150 is reasonably solid. I was sitting in it reading in a parking lot when a woman trying to park backed into it. I didn't even bother to
get out to see if she'd done any damage. That was the front bumper. If
she'd backed into the step,n,tow bumper on the rear her problems might
have been greater.
On 2025-01-02 21:06, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
On 2025-01-02 14:42, rbowman wrote:
On Thu, 2 Jan 2025 08:36:41 -0500, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
I find GNOME rather clunky whereas KDE, at least on Fedora and Nobara, >>>> is perfect out of the box. I imagine that a lot of people who try out
Linux and face GNOME are going to wonder how to do the basics, and they >>>> will likely find that the way extensions work is rather clunky,
especially during upgrades. Meanwhile, KDE is very familiar and
offers a
ton of features they could only dream of in Windows like the desktop
effects, theming options and widgets. Unlike Cinnamon too, the widgets >>>> in KDE actually work as they should.
The Ubuntu box has GNOME. I live with it but I'm not a fan. I'd rather
have a menu structure rather than the 'Show Applications' button that
brings up three or four screens of unsorted stuff.
GNOME was designed with the belief that anyone looking for an
application will press the Windows key and then type the name of what
they're looking for rather than select it from a menu. That's how I do
it whether I use Windows, GNOME or KDE so I would agree with their
design choice.
What if you are new and don't know the name of the applications?
On 02/01/2025 20:06, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
On 2025-01-02 14:42, rbowman wrote:Odd, since MATE - a superset of GNOME - expects you to use a menu. Its
On Thu, 2 Jan 2025 08:36:41 -0500, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
I find GNOME rather clunky whereas KDE, at least on Fedora and Nobara, >>>> is perfect out of the box. I imagine that a lot of people who try out
Linux and face GNOME are going to wonder how to do the basics, and they >>>> will likely find that the way extensions work is rather clunky,
especially during upgrades. Meanwhile, KDE is very familiar and
offers a
ton of features they could only dream of in Windows like the desktop
effects, theming options and widgets. Unlike Cinnamon too, the widgets >>>> in KDE actually work as they should.
The Ubuntu box has GNOME. I live with it but I'm not a fan. I'd rather
have a menu structure rather than the 'Show Applications' button that
brings up three or four screens of unsorted stuff.
GNOME was designed with the belief that anyone looking for an
application will press the Windows key and then type the name of what
they're looking for rather than select it from a menu. That's how I do
it whether I use Windows, GNOME or KDE so I would agree with their
design choice.
very XP like.
And since XP was what I was running when I switched entirely to Linux, I didn't have to relearn very much at all..
Sea levels have already risen by 4 inches since 1993, and hard science
has found the primary energy imbalance reason why: its anthropometric.
On 2025-01-03 06:28, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 02/01/2025 20:06, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
On 2025-01-02 14:42, rbowman wrote:Odd, since MATE - a superset of GNOME - expects you to use a menu. Its
On Thu, 2 Jan 2025 08:36:41 -0500, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
I find GNOME rather clunky whereas KDE, at least on Fedora and Nobara, >>>>> is perfect out of the box. I imagine that a lot of people who try out >>>>> Linux and face GNOME are going to wonder how to do the basics, and
they
will likely find that the way extensions work is rather clunky,
especially during upgrades. Meanwhile, KDE is very familiar and
offers a
ton of features they could only dream of in Windows like the desktop >>>>> effects, theming options and widgets. Unlike Cinnamon too, the widgets >>>>> in KDE actually work as they should.
The Ubuntu box has GNOME. I live with it but I'm not a fan. I'd rather >>>> have a menu structure rather than the 'Show Applications' button that
brings up three or four screens of unsorted stuff.
GNOME was designed with the belief that anyone looking for an
application will press the Windows key and then type the name of what
they're looking for rather than select it from a menu. That's how I
do it whether I use Windows, GNOME or KDE so I would agree with their
design choice.
very XP like.
And since XP was what I was running when I switched entirely to Linux,
I didn't have to relearn very much at all..
We are talking about GNOME _now_ not then.
On 03/01/2025 11:58, -hh wrote:
On 1/3/25 6:32 AM, D wrote:
On Fri, 3 Jan 2025, Lars Poulsen wrote:
On 2025-01-02, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
https://policies.python.org/python.org/code-of-conduct/
What isn't 'woke' these days? The language is over the top but does
the
end result really differ from civilized behavior in the workplace?
The problem seems to be that some a**holes NEED to be smacked with
regulations before they will live up to basic civility. And then they
complain about "woke tyranny".
That might be true. It is also true that some people are severely and
unjustly punished for being conservative christians, pro-Trump, or
just plain conservative.
These actions you're defending as 'unjust' were things like killing
someone because they happened to be gay/black/different, right?
No.
It means losing your career and livelihood because you said that women
don't have a penis.
Or because you said that Mohammed wasn't a very nice person, after all.
Or losing an eye because of that.
Or losing your career and livelihood because you failed to endorse
wokery in every performance and every film play or radio drama that you
were involved in.
Or losing your career and livelihood because you failed to endorse 'man
made climate change'.
There's extreme cases of assholitry that have no place in Society; theAbolish woke.
question is how to establish a fair, uniform and transparent standard
that won't be abused by those who's personal biases make them prone to
being an abuser (see religious leaders & pedophilia for YA example).
Make it perfectly legal to think anything and say anything that is not a direct incitement to public violence.
Battle racism by repealing all laws that diifferentiate between ethnic groups
Let society, not the Law, judge whether a man in a summer frock is
really a woman or just a sick saddo.
Carlos E.R. wrote this post while blinking in Morse code:
On 2025-01-02 21:06, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
On 2025-01-02 14:42, rbowman wrote:
On Thu, 2 Jan 2025 08:36:41 -0500, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
I find GNOME rather clunky whereas KDE, at least on Fedora and Nobara, >>>>> is perfect out of the box. I imagine that a lot of people who try out >>>>> Linux and face GNOME are going to wonder how to do the basics, and they >>>>> will likely find that the way extensions work is rather clunky,
especially during upgrades. Meanwhile, KDE is very familiar and offers a >>>>> ton of features they could only dream of in Windows like the desktop >>>>> effects, theming options and widgets. Unlike Cinnamon too, the widgets >>>>> in KDE actually work as they should.
The Ubuntu box has GNOME. I live with it but I'm not a fan. I'd rather >>>> have a menu structure rather than the 'Show Applications' button that
brings up three or four screens of unsorted stuff.
GNOME was designed with the belief that anyone looking for an
application will press the Windows key and then type the name of what
they're looking for rather than select it from a menu. That's how I do
it whether I use Windows, GNOME or KDE so I would agree with their
design choice.
What if you are new and don't know the name of the applications?
As time goes on, *some* will learn.
On 2025-01-03 12:16, D wrote:
On Thu, 2 Jan 2025, rbowman wrote:
On Thu, 2 Jan 2025 08:36:41 -0500, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
I find GNOME rather clunky whereas KDE, at least on Fedora and Nobara, >>>> is perfect out of the box. I imagine that a lot of people who try out
Linux and face GNOME are going to wonder how to do the basics, and they >>>> will likely find that the way extensions work is rather clunky,
especially during upgrades. Meanwhile, KDE is very familiar and
offers a
ton of features they could only dream of in Windows like the desktop
effects, theming options and widgets. Unlike Cinnamon too, the widgets >>>> in KDE actually work as they should.
The Ubuntu box has GNOME. I live with it but I'm not a fan. I'd rather
have a menu structure rather than the 'Show Applications' button that
brings up three or four screens of unsorted stuff.
I've been running XFCE for at least a decade and I for me it is a nice
sweet spot of a more comprehensive desktop environment that is also
fairly light on resources.
I do not use the menu system, but only a keyboard launcher instead.
I switched to XFCE when Gnome went into version 3. Not sure it is 3, but
when they changed the paradigm and killed the menu.
On 03/01/2025 13:32, -hh wrote:
Sea levels have already risen by 4 inches since 1993, and hard science
has found the primary energy imbalance reason why: its anthropometric.
Sea level rise has been 3mm/yr for the last 4000 years. Nothing has changed
The Natural Philosopher wrote this post while blinking in Morse code:
On 03/01/2025 13:32, -hh wrote:
Sea levels have already risen by 4 inches since 1993, and hard science
has found the primary energy imbalance reason why: its anthropometric.
Sea level rise has been 3mm/yr for the last 4000 years. Nothing has changed
This source disagrees:
https://ocean.si.edu/through-time/ancient-seas/sea-level-rise
Also, sea level is *not* the same all over the world. The article mentions that
as well.
It's an interesting read.
On 03/01/2025 16:31, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
The Natural Philosopher wrote this post while blinking in Morse code:
On 03/01/2025 13:32, -hh wrote:
Sea levels have already risen by 4 inches since 1993, and hard science >>>> has found the primary energy imbalance reason why: its anthropometric. >>>Sea level rise has been 3mm/yr for the last 4000 years. Nothing has
changed
This source disagrees:
https://ocean.si.edu/through-time/ancient-seas/sea-level-rise
Also, sea level is *not* the same all over the world. The article
mentions that
as well.
It's an interesting read.
Well I will merely quote from the Wiki: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Past_sea_level
"Sea level has changed over geologic time. As the graph shows, sea level today is very near the *lowest level ever attained* (the lowest level occurred at the Permian-Triassic boundary about 250 million years ago)."
"Recently, it has become widely accepted that late Holocene, 3,000
calendar years ago to present, sea level was nearly stable prior to an acceleration of rate of rise that is variously dated between 1850 and
1900 AD."
*Long before any CO2 excess was present*.
Woke is part of the reason Trump will be president. People don't like
being told what to think. This isn't Putin's Russia.
On 02/01/2025 20:04, rbowman wrote:
What isn't 'woke' these days? The language is over the top but does the
end result really differ from civilized behavior in the workplace?
Yes. Absolutely it does.
Civilised behaviour is a culture of tolerance. Woke is a culture of
vicious intolerance towards anyone who challenges a narrow definition of
a modern Puritanism.
Civilised behaviour doesn't get you fired. Civilised behaviour doesn't
get you blacklisted.
Woke is part of the reason Trump will be president. People don't like
being told what to think. This isn't Putin's Russia.
On 03/01/2025 13:56, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
On 2025-01-03 06:28, The Natural Philosopher wrote:Fairy Nuff. I have no idea what it is now, but MATE is still built on gnome3 libraries AFAIK
On 02/01/2025 20:06, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
On 2025-01-02 14:42, rbowman wrote:Odd, since MATE - a superset of GNOME - expects you to use a menu.
On Thu, 2 Jan 2025 08:36:41 -0500, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
I find GNOME rather clunky whereas KDE, at least on Fedora and
Nobara,
is perfect out of the box. I imagine that a lot of people who try out >>>>>> Linux and face GNOME are going to wonder how to do the basics, and >>>>>> they
will likely find that the way extensions work is rather clunky,
especially during upgrades. Meanwhile, KDE is very familiar and
offers a
ton of features they could only dream of in Windows like the desktop >>>>>> effects, theming options and widgets. Unlike Cinnamon too, the
widgets
in KDE actually work as they should.
The Ubuntu box has GNOME. I live with it but I'm not a fan. I'd rather >>>>> have a menu structure rather than the 'Show Applications' button that >>>>> brings up three or four screens of unsorted stuff.
GNOME was designed with the belief that anyone looking for an
application will press the Windows key and then type the name of
what they're looking for rather than select it from a menu. That's
how I do it whether I use Windows, GNOME or KDE so I would agree
with their design choice.
Its very XP like.
And since XP was what I was running when I switched entirely to
Linux, I didn't have to relearn very much at all..
We are talking about GNOME _now_ not then.
And was a sort of fork of gnome2 desktop
Its a tool like anything else, so use the right tool for the job.
Advocates in COLA have historically fight against the wisdom of
understanding that everything has its own strengths & weaknesses,
swimming against uses where other solutions are better.
I had a similar experience a week or so ago. I was sitting in a
supermarket parking lot in my new QX60 when the daughter of the guy who parked to the left of me decided to open her car door wide and smack my vehicle.
-highhorse wrote:
Its a tool like anything else, so use the right tool for the job.
Advocates in COLA have historically fight against the wisdom of
understanding that everything has its own strengths & weaknesses,
swimming against uses where other solutions are better.
Of course, -highhorse is lying. He's a trolling asshole who gets-off
on attacking decent, reasonable people. His solutions are better, by
gum, and he'll ridicule anyone who thinks otherwise.
According to the -highhorse troll, "Linux is what sloppy cheapskates
who cut corners prefer to use, rather than a quality product."
Odd, since MATE - a superset of GNOME - expects you to use a menu. Its
very XP like.
And since XP was what I was running when I switched entirely to Linux, I didn't have to relearn very much at all..
What if you are new and don't know the name of the applications?
On 02/01/2025 20:04, rbowman wrote:
What isn't 'woke' these days? The language is over the top but does the
end result really differ from civilized behavior in the workplace?
Yes. Absolutely it does.
Civilised behaviour is a culture of tolerance. Woke is a culture of
vicious intolerance towards anyone who challenges a narrow definition of
a modern Puritanism.
Civilised behaviour doesn't get you fired. Civilised behaviour doesn't
get you blacklisted.
Woke is part of the reason Trump will be president. People don't like
being told what to think. This isn't Putin's Russia.
On 03/01/2025 16:31, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
The Natural Philosopher wrote this post while blinking in Morse code:Well I will merely quote from the Wiki: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Past_sea_level
On 03/01/2025 13:32, -hh wrote:
Sea levels have already risen by 4 inches since 1993, and hard science >>>> has found the primary energy imbalance reason why: its anthropometric. >>>Sea level rise has been 3mm/yr for the last 4000 years. Nothing has
changed
This source disagrees:
https://ocean.si.edu/through-time/ancient-seas/sea-level-rise
Also, sea level is *not* the same all over the world. The article
mentions that
as well.
It's an interesting read.
"Sea level has changed over geologic time. As the graph shows, sea level today is very near the *lowest level ever attained* (the lowest level occurred at the Permian-Triassic boundary about 250 million years ago)."
"Recently, it has become widely accepted that late Holocene, 3,000
calendar years ago to present, sea level was nearly stable prior to an acceleration of rate of rise that is variously dated between 1850 and
1900 AD."
*Long before any CO2 excess was present*.
-highhorse wrote:
Its a tool like anything else, so use the right tool for the job.
Advocates in COLA have historically fight against the wisdom of
understanding that everything has its own strengths & weaknesses,
swimming against uses where other solutions are better.
Of course, -highhorse is lying. He's a trolling asshole who gets-off
on attacking decent, reasonable people. His solutions are better, by
gum, and he'll ridicule anyone who thinks otherwise.
According to the -highhorse troll, "Linux is what sloppy cheapskates
who cut corners prefer to use, rather than a quality product."
On Fri, 3 Jan 2025 08:41:35 -0500, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
I had a similar experience a week or so ago. I was sitting in a
supermarket parking lot in my new QX60 when the daughter of the guy who
parked to the left of me decided to open her car door wide and smack my
vehicle.
That's something I have to watch very carefully. I've got a 2 door
hatchback and the doors are wide enough to allow a hypothetical person to
get in the back seat. I folded the back seats forward the day I took
delivery of the car so that's a moot point but sometimes to avoid contact
I have to slither out through a partially open door. When they layout
parking lots for maximum volume they ignore about 50% of the vehicles will
be oversized pickups that really makes the situation worse.
D wrote:
OpenAI are good at marketing. They will probably crash the second
their models do no longer improve.
Sooner than that, possibly. They're absolutely *hemorrhaging* money,
every iteration of the product takes longer and costs more to develop/ >"train,"
I think this was common knowledge, but maybe this serves to prove it
more fully? I always wonder how much DNA I have from eastern europe
since my ancestors travelled east down to turkey. On the other hand, on
my mothers side, my ancestors fled norway to iceland, and those guys
were travelling more in southwestern europe. Could probably be some DNA
from there as well.
Reminds me of old Saabs. Those had what you could call a bumper!
chrisv wrote:
-highhorse wrote:
Its a tool like anything else, so use the right tool for the job.
Advocates in COLA have historically fight against the wisdom of
understanding that everything has its own strengths & weaknesses,
swimming against uses where other solutions are better.
Of course, -highhorse is lying. He's a trolling asshole who gets-off
on attacking decent, reasonable people. His solutions are better, by
gum, and he'll ridicule anyone who thinks otherwise.
According to the -highhorse troll, "Linux is what sloppy cheapskates
who cut corners prefer to use, rather than a quality product."
(snipped, unread)
What if you are new and don't know the name of the applications?
"So then why is it that a primary premise of Open Source - - security
through many eyes - - so utterly failed here?"
Linux is good all by itself. Doesn't need advocacy.
I have a friend that got a new, very well paying, job at some job with
IBM hardware and doing new things with it (including buying more
hardware). Financial or bank sector.
They need hardware that is immensely capable and runs full time in some sectors.
A lot of the sophistication (& differentiation) in PS was through its
use of Layers, particularly for making selective exposure adjustments.
Interesting! Clearly I live in a corner of the IT space that is way, way
too fashionable. I am of course aware of postgres, but have not
encountered it for many years.
On 02/01/2025 20:04, rbowman wrote:
What isn't 'woke' these days? The language is over the top but does the
end result really differ from civilized behavior in the workplace?
Yes. Absolutely it does.
Civilised behaviour is a culture of tolerance. Woke is a culture of vicious intolerance towards anyone who challenges a narrow definition of a modern Puritanism.
Civilised behaviour doesn't get you fired. Civilised behaviour doesn't get you blacklisted.
Woke is part of the reason Trump will be president. People don't like being told what to think. This isn't Putin's Russia.
On 03/01/2025 11:32, D wrote:
On Fri, 3 Jan 2025, Lars Poulsen wrote:
On 2025-01-02, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
https://policies.python.org/python.org/code-of-conduct/
What isn't 'woke' these days? The language is over the top but does the >>>> end result really differ from civilized behavior in the workplace?
The problem seems to be that some a**holes NEED to be smacked with
regulations before they will live up to basic civility. And then they
complain about "woke tyranny".
That might be true. It is also true that some people are severely and
unjustly punished for being conservative christians, pro-Trump, or just
plain conservative. That's a woke abomination in open source and is exactly >> what leads to the culture wars and cancellations we have.
'woke' is Marxism rebranded. It uses all the old Marxist AgitProp techniques which some of us are very familiar with.
It's not about manners, it's about political power, and the destruction of societal norms and cultural history. Its about the creation of dissent and hatred.
It is probably funded indirectly by the FSB. As an asymmetric war technique to promote the destruction of freedom and democracy - Russia's greatest threat.
A knew a communist very well at University. He explained how communists were going to infiltrate every single organisation over his lifetime. It's called the by a communist (Rudi Dutschke) who is now a member of the EU, 'The long march through the institutions'. The aim was/is to destroy existing society and replace it with a new communist one as the first step towards a socialist Utopia.
I have watched it happen,.
Finally people have woken up.
And elected a complete arsehole whose one saving grace is that he is not 'woke'
On 03/01/2025 11:45, D wrote:
No I think it is just because someone pulled in comp.os.linux.advocacy.
Seems a lot of trolls reside there. I looked into it, found it way to
annoying, and stopped. But I got a reminder of why I stopped reading that
group.
Yup. Ain't that the truth.
Linux is good all by itself. Doesn't need advocacy.
On 1/3/25 6:32 AM, D wrote:
On Fri, 3 Jan 2025, Lars Poulsen wrote:
On 2025-01-02, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
https://policies.python.org/python.org/code-of-conduct/
What isn't 'woke' these days? The language is over the top but does the >>>> end result really differ from civilized behavior in the workplace?
The problem seems to be that some a**holes NEED to be smacked with
regulations before they will live up to basic civility. And then they
complain about "woke tyranny".
That might be true. It is also true that some people are severely and
unjustly punished for being conservative christians, pro-Trump, or just
plain conservative.
These actions you're defending as 'unjust' were things like killing someone because they happened to be gay/black/different, right?
There's extreme cases of assholitry that have no place in Society; the question is how to establish a fair, uniform and transparent standard that won't be abused by those who's personal biases make them prone to being an abuser (see religious leaders & pedophilia for YA example).
-hh
On 03/01/2025 11:58, -hh wrote:
On 1/3/25 6:32 AM, D wrote:
On Fri, 3 Jan 2025, Lars Poulsen wrote:
On 2025-01-02, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
https://policies.python.org/python.org/code-of-conduct/
What isn't 'woke' these days? The language is over the top but does the >>>>> end result really differ from civilized behavior in the workplace?
The problem seems to be that some a**holes NEED to be smacked with
regulations before they will live up to basic civility. And then they
complain about "woke tyranny".
That might be true. It is also true that some people are severely and
unjustly punished for being conservative christians, pro-Trump, or just
plain conservative.
These actions you're defending as 'unjust' were things like killing someone >> because they happened to be gay/black/different, right?
No.
It means losing your career and livelihood because you said that women don't have a penis.
Or because you said that Mohammed wasn't a very nice person, after all.
Or losing an eye because of that.
Or losing your career and livelihood because you failed to endorse wokery in every performance and every film play or radio drama that you were involved in.
Or losing your career and livelihood because you failed to endorse 'man made climate change'.
There's extreme cases of assholitry that have no place in Society; theAbolish woke.
question is how to establish a fair, uniform and transparent standard that >> won't be abused by those who's personal biases make them prone to being an >> abuser (see religious leaders & pedophilia for YA example).
Make it perfectly legal to think anything and say anything that is not a direct incitement to public violence.
Battle racism by repealing all laws that diifferentiate between ethnic groups
Let society, not the Law, judge whether a man in a summer frock is really a woman or just a sick saddo.
On 2025-01-03 12:16, D wrote:
On Thu, 2 Jan 2025, rbowman wrote:
On Thu, 2 Jan 2025 08:36:41 -0500, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
I find GNOME rather clunky whereas KDE, at least on Fedora and Nobara, >>>> is perfect out of the box. I imagine that a lot of people who try out
Linux and face GNOME are going to wonder how to do the basics, and they >>>> will likely find that the way extensions work is rather clunky,
especially during upgrades. Meanwhile, KDE is very familiar and offers a >>>> ton of features they could only dream of in Windows like the desktop
effects, theming options and widgets. Unlike Cinnamon too, the widgets >>>> in KDE actually work as they should.
The Ubuntu box has GNOME. I live with it but I'm not a fan. I'd rather
have a menu structure rather than the 'Show Applications' button that
brings up three or four screens of unsorted stuff.
I've been running XFCE for at least a decade and I for me it is a nice
sweet spot of a more comprehensive desktop environment that is also fairly >> light on resources.
I do not use the menu system, but only a keyboard launcher instead.
I switched to XFCE when Gnome went into version 3. Not sure it is 3, but when they changed the paradigm and killed the menu.
The Natural Philosopher wrote:
D wrote:
No I think it is just because someone pulled in comp.os.linux.advocacy.
Seems a lot of trolls reside there. I looked into it, found it way to
annoying, and stopped. But I got a reminder of why I stopped reading
that group.
That's rather ironic, coming from someone who thinks that it "sounded"
like I admitted defeat, because I temporarily ignored someone who had
just attacked me without basis.
How is defeat even possible, when I was so clearly in the right?
Yup. Ain't that the truth.
Linux is good all by itself. Doesn't need advocacy.
About Linux, you are correct.
Your response, if any, will be deleted, unread.
On 03/01/2025 13:32, -hh wrote:
Sea levels have already risen by 4 inches since 1993, and hard science has >> found the primary energy imbalance reason why: its anthropometric.
Sea level rise has been 3mm/yr for the last 4000 years. Nothing has changed
On 2025-01-03 07:11, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
Carlos E.R. wrote this post while blinking in Morse code:
On 2025-01-02 21:06, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
On 2025-01-02 14:42, rbowman wrote:
On Thu, 2 Jan 2025 08:36:41 -0500, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
I find GNOME rather clunky whereas KDE, at least on Fedora and Nobara, >>>>>> is perfect out of the box. I imagine that a lot of people who try out >>>>>> Linux and face GNOME are going to wonder how to do the basics, and they >>>>>> will likely find that the way extensions work is rather clunky,
especially during upgrades. Meanwhile, KDE is very familiar and offers >>>>>> a
ton of features they could only dream of in Windows like the desktop >>>>>> effects, theming options and widgets. Unlike Cinnamon too, the widgets >>>>>> in KDE actually work as they should.
The Ubuntu box has GNOME. I live with it but I'm not a fan. I'd rather >>>>> have a menu structure rather than the 'Show Applications' button that >>>>> brings up three or four screens of unsorted stuff.
GNOME was designed with the belief that anyone looking for an
application will press the Windows key and then type the name of what
they're looking for rather than select it from a menu. That's how I do >>>> it whether I use Windows, GNOME or KDE so I would agree with their
design choice.
What if you are new and don't know the name of the applications?
As time goes on, *some* will learn.
No, most will. I agree that most people have the memory of a fruit fly, but I imagine that if they installed Linux in the first place, they're probably brighter.
On Fri, 3 Jan 2025 12:42:31 +0100
D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
OpenAI are good at marketing. They will probably crash the second
their models do no longer improve.
Sooner than that, possibly. They're absolutely *hemorrhaging* money,
every iteration of the product takes longer and costs more to develop/
"train," they're bucking for the mother of all IP-infringement suits
when the corporate media behemoths finally catch up with them (anyone
gets "Sora" to produce a Disney character, and you might as well just
head for the fallout shelter,) "hallucinations" are still essentially unsolvable given the way the thing works, and it still can't do *half*
of what they keep promising it will Real Soon Now.
Ed Zitron - https://www.wheresyoured.at/ - has done a lot of solid
writing on this in the last year or two. If they didn't have a bunch of vulture capitalists constantly pumping the money firehose in hopes of
selling it to CEOs on the prospect of being able to fire all their
employees and replace them with ChatGPT, they'dve been dead and buried
long ago.
On 03/01/2025 16:31, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
The Natural Philosopher wrote this post while blinking in Morse code:Well I will merely quote from the Wiki: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Past_sea_level
On 03/01/2025 13:32, -hh wrote:
Sea levels have already risen by 4 inches since 1993, and hard science >>>> has found the primary energy imbalance reason why: its anthropometric. >>>Sea level rise has been 3mm/yr for the last 4000 years. Nothing has
changed
This source disagrees:
https://ocean.si.edu/through-time/ancient-seas/sea-level-rise
Also, sea level is *not* the same all over the world. The article mentions >> that
as well.
It's an interesting read.
"Sea level has changed over geologic time. As the graph shows, sea level today is very near the *lowest level ever attained* (the lowest level occurred at the Permian-Triassic boundary about 250 million years ago)."
"Recently, it has become widely accepted that late Holocene, 3,000 calendar years ago to present, sea level was nearly stable prior to an acceleration of rate of rise that is variously dated between 1850 and 1900 AD."
*Long before any CO2 excess was present*.
On Fri, 3 Jan 2025 08:41:35 -0500, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
I had a similar experience a week or so ago. I was sitting in a
supermarket parking lot in my new QX60 when the daughter of the guy who
parked to the left of me decided to open her car door wide and smack my
vehicle.
That's something I have to watch very carefully. I've got a 2 door
hatchback and the doors are wide enough to allow a hypothetical person to
get in the back seat. I folded the back seats forward the day I took
delivery of the car so that's a moot point but sometimes to avoid contact
I have to slither out through a partially open door. When they layout
parking lots for maximum volume they ignore about 50% of the vehicles will
be oversized pickups that really makes the situation worse.
On Fri, 3 Jan 2025 11:26:24 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 02/01/2025 20:04, rbowman wrote:
What isn't 'woke' these days? The language is over the top but does the
end result really differ from civilized behavior in the workplace?
Yes. Absolutely it does.
Civilised behaviour is a culture of tolerance. Woke is a culture of
vicious intolerance towards anyone who challenges a narrow definition of
a modern Puritanism.
Civilised behaviour doesn't get you fired. Civilised behaviour doesn't
get you blacklisted.
Woke is part of the reason Trump will be president. People don't like
being told what to think. This isn't Putin's Russia.
I understand your point but I've self-censored myself for a very long
time. My unfiltered thoughts probably would get me fired or blacklisted.
What does bother me about woke is, while I wouldn't refer to someone as a fat, black, lesbian asshole in most conversations, not the fat, black, lesbian asshole wants a pat on the head.
I think some of it is épater le bourgeois but I'm from the wrong
generation to be shocked by a pierced, rainbow-haired blob. I do regret
that they have achieved any political power.
I don't like musicals but I'm reminded of 'Cabaret' and what happened when the music stopped at the Kit Kat Klub.
On 2025-01-03 11:43, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 03/01/2025 16:31, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
The Natural Philosopher wrote this post while blinking in Morse code:Well I will merely quote from the Wiki:
On 03/01/2025 13:32, -hh wrote:
Sea levels have already risen by 4 inches since 1993, and hard science >>>>> has found the primary energy imbalance reason why: its anthropometric. >>>>Sea level rise has been 3mm/yr for the last 4000 years. Nothing has
changed
This source disagrees:
https://ocean.si.edu/through-time/ancient-seas/sea-level-rise
Also, sea level is *not* the same all over the world. The article mentions >>> that
as well.
It's an interesting read.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Past_sea_level
"Sea level has changed over geologic time. As the graph shows, sea level
today is very near the *lowest level ever attained* (the lowest level
occurred at the Permian-Triassic boundary about 250 million years ago)."
"Recently, it has become widely accepted that late Holocene, 3,000 calendar >> years ago to present, sea level was nearly stable prior to an acceleration >> of rate of rise that is variously dated between 1850 and 1900 AD."
*Long before any CO2 excess was present*.
Regardless of the facts, we must throw money at the sky until all of it stops!
John Ames wrote:
D wrote:
OpenAI are good at marketing. They will probably crash the second
their models do no longer improve.
Sooner than that, possibly. They're absolutely *hemorrhaging* money,
every iteration of the product takes longer and costs more to develop/
"train,"
And, just when conserving energy and water or near the top of
society's concerns, the "data centers" use massive amounts of both.
On Fri, 3 Jan 2025 12:30:44 +0100, D wrote:
Reminds me of old Saabs. Those had what you could call a bumper!
What era? The only Saab I drove was a girlfriend's. It was a 92 or maybe a 93, I forget which. It did have a bumper of sorts.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dagmar_bumper
Those were bumpers!
Trivia: The Dagmar the bumpers were named after was an actress's stage
name that went back to a TV show we alwayes watched, 'Mama', aobut an extended Norwegian family.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mama_(American_TV_series)
On Fri, 3 Jan 2025 12:19:27 +0100, D wrote:
Interesting! Clearly I live in a corner of the IT space that is way, way
too fashionable. I am of course aware of postgres, but have not
encountered it for many years.
It's come a long way and is also popular in the cloud. Do you want to pay
for SQL Server, DB2, or Oracle when there is a very capable free database?
If you don't want to get your hands dirty Amazon will do the heavy lifting for a small hourly fee.
https://aws.amazon.com/rds/postgresql/
John Ames wrote:
D wrote:
OpenAI are good at marketing. They will probably crash the second
their models do no longer improve.
Sooner than that, possibly. They're absolutely *hemorrhaging* money,
every iteration of the product takes longer and costs more to develop/
"train,"
And, just when conserving energy and water or near the top of
society's concerns, the "data centers" use massive amounts of both.
-hh wrote:
chrisv wrote:
-highhorse wrote:
Its a tool like anything else, so use the right tool for the job.
Advocates in COLA have historically fight against the wisdom of
understanding that everything has its own strengths & weaknesses,
swimming against uses where other solutions are better.
Of course, -highhorse is lying. He's a trolling asshole who gets-off
on attacking decent, reasonable people. His solutions are better, by
gum, and he'll ridicule anyone who thinks otherwise.
According to the -highhorse troll, "Linux is what sloppy cheapskates
who cut corners prefer to use, rather than a quality product."
(snipped, unread)
Let me guess: Quotes from cola advocates proving that, yes, they do
consider value when making a choice! How terrible!
That must mean that they would rather use Windows or Mac! Not.
-highhorse doesn't understand the importance of software freedom, so
he takes it out on his moral and intellectual superiors. He thinks
it's about being a "cheapskate" or a "freeloader". -highhorse claims
that "the open source nature of Linux tends to attractthe type of
persona who somehow believes that all avenues are one-way streets set
up to benefit him (and only him) as the true & deserving holy center
of the universe."
-highhorse is a stupid person and an asshole.
On Fri, 3 Jan 2025, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 02/01/2025 20:04, rbowman wrote:
What isn't 'woke' these days? The language is over the top but does the
end result really differ from civilized behavior in the workplace?
Yes. Absolutely it does.
Civilised behaviour is a culture of tolerance. Woke is a culture of
vicious intolerance towards anyone who challenges a narrow definition
of a modern Puritanism.
Civilised behaviour doesn't get you fired. Civilised behaviour doesn't
get you blacklisted.
Woke is part of the reason Trump will be president. People don't like
being told what to think. This isn't Putin's Russia.
This is the truth. What we are seeing is a big reaction against the mind virus. In europe, a big part of the reaction is against immigration and eco-fascism.
On 1/3/25 11:43 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 03/01/2025 16:31, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
The Natural Philosopher wrote this post while blinking in Morse code:
On 03/01/2025 13:32, -hh wrote:
Sea levels have already risen by 4 inches since 1993, and hard science >>>>> has found the primary energy imbalance reason why: its
anthropometric.
Sea level rise has been 3mm/yr for the last 4000 years. Nothing has
changed
This source disagrees:
https://ocean.si.edu/through-time/ancient-seas/sea-level-rise
Also, sea level is *not* the same all over the world. The article
mentions that
as well.
It's an interesting read.
Well I will merely quote from the Wiki:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Past_sea_level
"Sea level has changed over geologic time. As the graph shows, sea
level today is very near the *lowest level ever attained* (the lowest
level occurred at the Permian-Triassic boundary about 250 million
years ago)."
"Recently, it has become widely accepted that late Holocene, 3,000
calendar years ago to present, sea level was nearly stable prior to an
acceleration of rate of rise that is variously dated between 1850 and
1900 AD."
*Long before any CO2 excess was present*.
Yes, the rate of raise was nearly stable **before** the Industrial Age.
Which is the point: the contemporary acceleration in the rate of rise
is a change, and it is coincident with the advent of the Industrial Age.
You should be happy that you (most likely) have never tried to park in a european garage located in the old parts of town.
Negro has also become a symbol word.
Conserving energy and water is only important to those of us who aren't tasked with spying on everyone.
I would think that eco-fascists would also demonstrate against
crypto-mining, but no, airplanes, who release ridiculously small amounts
of CO2, that's apparently the problem.
You probably wouldn't have so much immigration in Europe if the people
in charge in the United States weren't so determined to start wars everywhere.
On Fri, 3 Jan 2025 08:41:35 -0500, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
I had a similar experience a week or so ago. I was sitting in a
supermarket parking lot in my new QX60 when the daughter of the guy who
parked to the left of me decided to open her car door wide and smack my
vehicle.
That's something I have to watch very carefully. I've got a 2 door
hatchback and the doors are wide enough to allow a hypothetical person to
get in the back seat. I folded the back seats forward the day I took
delivery of the car so that's a moot point but sometimes to avoid contact
I have to slither out through a partially open door. When they layout
parking lots for maximum volume they ignore about 50% of the vehicles will
be oversized pickups that really makes the situation worse.
On 04/01/2025 01:27, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
Conserving energy and water is only important to those of us who
aren't tasked with spying on everyone.
Conserving energy and water is only important to those of us who haven't
got enough.
On Fri, 3 Jan 2025 00:49:59 -0500, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:
Find an old International Harvester truck ... SOLID steel all
through. Parts may be tricky though ...
My '86 F-150 is reasonably solid. I was sitting in it reading in a parking lot when a woman trying to park backed into it. I didn't even bother to
get out to see if she'd done any damage. That was the front bumper. If
she'd backed into the step,n,tow bumper on the rear her problems might
have been greater.
On Sat, 3 Jan 2025, rbowman wrote:
On Fri, 3 Jan 2025 12:30:44 +0100, D wrote:
Reminds me of old Saabs. Those had what you could call a bumper!
What era? The only Saab I drove was a girlfriend's. It was a 92 or
maybe a
93, I forget which. It did have a bumper of sorts.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dagmar_bumper
Those were bumpers!
Trivia: The Dagmar the bumpers were named after was an actress's stage
name that went back to a TV show we alwayes watched, 'Mama', aobut an
extended Norwegian family.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mama_(American_TV_series)
This is a beautiful bumper:
https://www.startpage.com/av/proxy-image?piurl=https%3A%2F%2Fupload.wikimedia.org%2Fwikipedia%2Fcommons%2Fe%2Fe5%2FSaab_900_GLE_%282%29_%28crop%29.jpg&sp=1735951735T1b8aa114fd353d88b4d34fd3554f5b9455c5317dadea52d972489e1e4be614a0
.
I think there's a sabb with an even wider one, but cannot find it. I saw
it in a garage many decades ago.
On 01/01/2025 22:01, D wrote:
On Wed, 1 Jan 2025, chrisv wrote:
-hh wrote:
(snipped, unread)
Around your family, you like to pretend that you're a good person,
don't you, -highhorse.
If only they knew what an asshole you are, how eager to attack decent,
reasonable people you are.
If you don't read what you comment on, aren't you afraid that you are
missing important parts of the argument? Also, how can you build
spiritual bridges of love between two human beings that way?
He doan want no stinkin' spiritual bridges of lurve.
Cash or credit card only.
186282@ud0s4.net wrote:
OpenSUSE is also great - but I'm worried about how
it uses the now IBM-owned sources.
Are you saing that they use source code that is owned by IBM and not
released under any open-source license?
On Fri, 3 Jan 2025 11:28:27 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
Odd, since MATE - a superset of GNOME - expects you to use a menu. Its
very XP like.
And since XP was what I was running when I switched entirely to Linux, I
didn't have to relearn very much at all..
My first Windows box was 3.1 with the Program Manager. That was a little primitive. Windows 95 introduced the Start Menu and for better or worse became what I thought the desktop should look like.
I forget all the managers I tried on Linux in the early days. mwm, tmw,
FVWM, IceWM, Sawfish, etc but I preferred the ones that looked like
Windows.
On 03/01/2025 11:45, D wrote:
No I think it is just because someone pulled in
comp.os.linux.advocacy. Seems a lot of trolls reside there. I looked
into it, found it way to annoying, and stopped. But I got a reminder
of why I stopped reading that group.
Yup. Ain't that the truth.
Linux is good all by itself. Doesn't need advocacy.
On Fri, 3 Jan 2025, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:
On 1/2/25 6:22 AM, D wrote:
On Wed, 1 Jan 2025, chrisv wrote:
D wrote:
Your other two recent posts were deleted, unread.
This sounds to me like you admit defeat. (snipped, unread)
Trolling 101. Claim victory in the midst of defeat.
The reality is that I'm so much better that after making my point I
can ignore what dipshits say, with the confidence that no decent
person would side with the dipshit.
Your 4:01 post was deleted, unread, as will every post that you make
in this thread, from now on.
Ahh... I won! It was a good fight chris, but you met someone better
and lost. =)
Ah ... "The Wars" return ...... not unexpected alas ...
seems a 'Human Thing", the quest for elevated 'status'
forever and always. On This Episode of Game Of Thrones ...
Fortunately it's not 'war' over Linux Stuff again (yet).
No I think it is just because someone pulled in comp.os.linux.advocacy.
Seems a lot of trolls reside there. I looked into it, found it way to annoying, and stopped. But I got a reminder of why I stopped reading
that group.
Hey, I can't program a TCP stack from memory or know
every detail of sockets at the ASM level (and no, I did
not have an extensive ed in every 'philosophy')- guess
that makes me totally inferior and useless. Always
was a Jack Of All Trades, Master Of Few. Whatever,
I ain't that proud, good for what I'm good for and
that's good enough :-)
On 1/2/25 4:29 PM, Farley Flud wrote:
On Thu, 2 Jan 2025 16:11:11 -0500, -hh wrote:
For example, good luck finding a 1/2" power drill for sale new today for >>> just $100 which will last for even 10 years of use, let alone his
"25-50" claim: the days of bulletproof all metal body Craftsman or
Black & Decker power tools are long since gone.
I don't need "luck". I purchased a Milwaukee 1/2" for about $100
(maybe more maybe less). Milwaukee power tools are renowned throughout
the industrial trades as being perhaps the ultimate in quality.
Yeah, Milwaukee's good, but they're not $100.
Grainger's price is $187+:
<https://www.grainger.com/product/3DU39>
Of course, you're free to go buy from someplace else, where you're
taking a risk on codeshares or counterfeits ...
... as well as to post the receipt to substantiate your price claim.
Furthermore, all metal body construction was abandoned long ago due
to the shock hazards. The durable polymers that are now used are more
than an adequate substitute.
Oh, I'm quite aware of that, because the hand-me-down that I got had to
get tossed at <40 years age because it was shorting out to the body. I
used it for awhile wearing workgloves before getting fed up and a 1/2" Craftsman- it lasted only around 15 years before it died. These days, I look to Dewalt, Bosch or Makita as first string.
But this is all totally superfluous. The main point of the OP is that
commercial software companies can easily produce software that can
last decades, if not forever, but such software would literally destroy
them as a business entity. Therefore they are forced into extortionate
practices just to keep alive.
Depends on the use case, as well as the business model. For example, there's code that's been use for ~50 years but its not been static the
entire time: there's invariably places for improvement & patches.
FOSS, OTOH, has no such ridiculous concerns.
If that were truly a characteristic unique to FOSS, then Linux
(including Android) would never have had any security patch updates.
On 04/01/2025 00:43, D wrote:
Negro has also become a symbol word.
You have to be really uneducated and thick not to know it simply means 'black'.
On Fri, 3 Jan 2025, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 03/01/2025 13:32, -hh wrote:
Sea levels have already risen by 4 inches since 1993, and hard science
has found the primary energy imbalance reason why: its
anthropometric.
Sea level rise has been 3mm/yr for the last 4000 years. Nothing has
changed
Let me also add that the dutch have been able to handle it for several
100s of years, so there absolutely nothing to be worried about. It is natural, and we can handle it perfectly.
I think all the ones that use traditional databases I encountered are
using either mysql, mariadb or sql server for linux which I think was
free for a while. Sql server for linux was a joke. The company was
offered help to migrate to mysql or mariadb, refused, since they were microsoft loyalists, and continued to live with downtime every month,
rather than switching.
Conserving energy and water is only important to those of us who aren't tasked with spying on everyone.
I knew a guy who made bumpers out of two large wooden utility poles
he'd cut to size and shape. Older Chevy 3500 series. Looked 'rugged',
kinda 'back-country'. Damned things were a good 8" thick and about
12" tall. No little old lady was gonna so much as dent them in a
parking-lot oopsie.
On 04/01/2025 00:38, D wrote:
You should be happy that you (most likely) have never tried to park in
a european garage located in the old parts of town.
My current car is simply too wide to fit my current garage
You should be happy that you (most likely) have never tried to park in a european garage located in the old parts of town. Bacteria have a hard
time fitting in those parking lots.
As a counter to that, I've started to drop a few "negros" in
conversations here and there out in town, and I also started to wear my
MAGA hat on the streets of Stockholm.
On 04/01/2025 00:43, D wrote:
Negro has also become a symbol word.
You have to be really uneducated and thick not to know it simply means 'black'.
I think there's a sabb with an even wider one, but cannot find it. I saw
it in a garage many decades ago.
I am surprised that eco-fascists are not protesting against the big IT corporations. But most likely that would not result in higher taxes and
more power to socialist politicians, so that is probably why they are ignored.
Hallucinations will probably have to be "fixed" by either hiring
africans to double check answers, sorry "fact check", and then store
those so that similar queries are redirected to those canned answers.
Somehow I think they lost control over the movement. It is fun to see
the wringing of hands of a lot of communists and socialists from the 60s
who were "all in" russia, and to see them explain what's happening there
now.
On Sat, 4 Jan 2025 02:06:17 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 04/01/2025 00:43, D wrote:
Negro has also become a symbol word.
You have to be really uneducated and thick not to know it simply means
'black'.
The best PC invention is latinx. It sounds like something you take when
you haven't shit in three days. I don't even think the latinx people care
for it. Indian is touchy too. Some are into 'Native American', some
aren't.
Most ALL code of any size and scope can be "improved".
If not 'security' then streamlining. And yes, some of
the basic algos go all the way back to young Bill Gates.
They used to have contests - who could do what in the
least number of bytes/cycles. Bill often won.
(and then the blood-signed contract ... :-)
On 04/01/2025 00:43, D wrote:
Negro has also become a symbol word.
You have to be really uneducated and thick not to know it simply means 'black'.
On Sat, 4 Jan 2025 01:43:35 +0100, D wrote:
As a counter to that, I've started to drop a few "negros" in
conversations here and there out in town, and I also started to wear my
MAGA hat on the streets of Stockholm.
When I was growing up niggers preferred to be called Negroes. It's hard to keep track. Of course when I was growing up we also had polocks, wops,
kikes, and and other designations. My mother was politically correct
before her time and would accuse my father of sounding like Hitler.
The punchline is she thought any male Negro over the age of five was going
to rape her. My father had no problems with niggers. They were just people until proven differently. I learned about hypocrisy and pretty words
early.
I don't have a MAGA hat. In the summer I have a NRA hat that I wear
hiking; that's almost as good.
On Fri, 3 Jan 2025, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 02/01/2025 20:04, rbowman wrote:
What isn't 'woke' these days? The language is over the top but does the
end result really differ from civilized behavior in the workplace?
Yes. Absolutely it does.
Civilised behaviour is a culture of tolerance. Woke is a culture of
vicious intolerance towards anyone who challenges a narrow definition
of a modern Puritanism.
Civilised behaviour doesn't get you fired. Civilised behaviour doesn't
get you blacklisted.
Woke is part of the reason Trump will be president. People don't like
being told what to think. This isn't Putin's Russia.
This is the truth. What we are seeing is a big reaction against the mind virus. In europe, a big part of the reaction is against immigration and eco-fascism.
On 04/01/2025 01:36, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
You probably wouldn't have so much immigration in Europe if the people
in charge in the United States weren't so determined to start wars
everywhere.
Actually, its mainly Russia and Iran behind it all these days
On Fri, 3 Jan 2025 22:29:13 -0500, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:
I knew a guy who made bumpers out of two large wooden utility poles
he'd cut to size and shape. Older Chevy 3500 series. Looked 'rugged',
kinda 'back-country'. Damned things were a good 8" thick and about
12" tall. No little old lady was gonna so much as dent them in a
parking-lot oopsie.
It would make sense around here where the deer and the antelope play -- in the road. Scratch the antelope. They're lightweights. It the elk and moose that can really do a number.
I had a deer riding on the hood of my last Toyota. No fatal damage. The
hood still closed although it had a new sculpted look and a few nylon ties took care of the plastic pieces.
On 2024-12-28 00:04, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
On Fri, 27 Dec 2024 14:57:55 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote:
Well, I appreciate that I can get gratis a piece of software that is
that good.
If you think Free Software could be better, and you would rather not give
money to a proprietary company, why not contribute some of that money to
the development of the Free Software and help make it better?
How do you know if I already do, or don't?
On 2025-01-04, 186282@ud0s4.net <186283@ud0s4.net> wrote:
Most ALL code of any size and scope can be "improved".
If not 'security' then streamlining. And yes, some of
the basic algos go all the way back to young Bill Gates.
They used to have contests - who could do what in the
least number of bytes/cycles. Bill often won.
The tricks he used would get people fired now.
(and then the blood-signed contract ... :-)
I remember shooting someone out of the saddle when
she claimed that Lord Bill was a programming genius.
He was no such thing - but he was a _marketing_ genius.
On 2025-01-03 09:06, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 03/01/2025 13:56, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
On 2025-01-03 06:28, The Natural Philosopher wrote:Fairy Nuff. I have no idea what it is now, but MATE is still built on
On 02/01/2025 20:06, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
On 2025-01-02 14:42, rbowman wrote:Odd, since MATE - a superset of GNOME - expects you to use a menu.
On Thu, 2 Jan 2025 08:36:41 -0500, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
I find GNOME rather clunky whereas KDE, at least on Fedora and
Nobara,
is perfect out of the box. I imagine that a lot of people who try >>>>>>> out
Linux and face GNOME are going to wonder how to do the basics,
and they
will likely find that the way extensions work is rather clunky,
especially during upgrades. Meanwhile, KDE is very familiar and
offers a
ton of features they could only dream of in Windows like the desktop >>>>>>> effects, theming options and widgets. Unlike Cinnamon too, the
widgets
in KDE actually work as they should.
The Ubuntu box has GNOME. I live with it but I'm not a fan. I'd
rather
have a menu structure rather than the 'Show Applications' button that >>>>>> brings up three or four screens of unsorted stuff.
GNOME was designed with the belief that anyone looking for an
application will press the Windows key and then type the name of
what they're looking for rather than select it from a menu. That's
how I do it whether I use Windows, GNOME or KDE so I would agree
with their design choice.
Its very XP like.
And since XP was what I was running when I switched entirely to
Linux, I didn't have to relearn very much at all..
We are talking about GNOME _now_ not then.
gnome3 libraries AFAIK
And was a sort of fork of gnome2 desktop
I always thought that MATE used GTK2. If it indeed uses GTK3, all the
better.
On 1/3/25 6:52 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 03/01/2025 11:45, D wrote:
No I think it is just because someone pulled in
comp.os.linux.advocacy. Seems a lot of trolls reside there. I looked
into it, found it way to annoying, and stopped. But I got a reminder
of why I stopped reading that group.
Yup. Ain't that the truth.
Yup, its a product of crossposting. Things change and USENET just
doesn't have the audience it did 30 years ago to have groups have
sufficient critical mass to sustain (on- or off-topic) dialogs/
Linux is good all by itself. Doesn't need advocacy.
Its a tool like anything else, so use the right tool for the job.
Advocates in COLA have historically fight against the wisdom of
understanding that everything has its own strengths & weaknesses,
swimming against uses where other solutions are better.
For example, take a new digital camera: wouldn't it be nice to not have
to wait a year to read its new RAW file format? Most folk just want
pics, so they choose a platform where its supported on launch, not to
have to sit down to DIY write & test a 3rd party driver first.
Meantime, my New Year's Resolution is to tweak my Linux NAS; seems that
it needs a better RAM cache to not bottleneck on network, and those
parts are due to arrive this weekend. I'll have to look around to see if
I have some spare NVMEs to change up its disk cache while I'm at it too.
If that doesn't resolve things, then its probably time to look to some network gear to move some nodes from 1GbE to 10GbE.
-highhorse wrote:
Its a tool like anything else, so use the right tool for the job.
Advocates in COLA have historically fight against the wisdom of
understanding that everything has its own strengths & weaknesses,
swimming against uses where other solutions are better.
Of course, -highhorse is lying. He's a trolling asshole who gets-off
on attacking decent, reasonable people. His solutions are better, by
gum, and he'll ridicule anyone who thinks otherwise.
According to the -highhorse troll, "Linux is what sloppy cheapskates
who cut corners prefer to use, rather than a quality product."
On Sat, 4 Jan 2025 01:49:55 +0100, D wrote:
I think there's a sabb with an even wider one, but cannot find it. I saw
it in a garage many decades ago.
Oh, the 900. I've seen a few of those. Saabs always were a minority brand
in the US. I liked the old ones, but there were some really strange beasts like the Sonnet II. I don't know why there was a Volvo on every block
while Saabs were driven by middle-aged lesbians.
On Wed, 1 Jan 2025 01:40:33 -0000 (UTC), pothead wrote:
Biggest assholes where I live are Tesla owners, Dodge Hemi and Mustang
owners.
It used to be Land/Range Rover people but things have changed.
When you pul up behind a F-250 with imitation bull testicles dangling from the trailer hitch you have a good idea what you're dealing with.
The USA is inherently isolationist ... would rather NOT mess around
with any other countries. There's "Here" and "Over There".
ANYhow ... Bill didn't START as 'evil' ...
In short, the 'racism' picture even in the southern
USA was not as simple and monolithic as the usual
rhetoric/media likes to portray. Reality would not
be as 'politically useful'.
On Sat, 4 Jan 2025 02:06:17 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:Well calling them Indians was a mistake made by some twat who thought
On 04/01/2025 00:43, D wrote:
Negro has also become a symbol word.
You have to be really uneducated and thick not to know it simply means
'black'.
The best PC invention is latinx. It sounds like something you take when
you haven't shit in three days. I don't even think the latinx people care
for it. Indian is touchy too. Some are into 'Native American', some
aren't.
On Sat, 4 Jan 2025 01:49:55 +0100, D wrote:
I think there's a sabb with an even wider one, but cannot find it. I saw
it in a garage many decades ago.
Oh, the 900. I've seen a few of those. Saabs always were a minority brand
in the US. I liked the old ones, but there were some really strange beasts like the Sonnet II. I don't know why there was a Volvo on every block
while Saabs were driven by middle-aged lesbians.
The USA is inherently isolationist ... would rather NOT
mess around with any other countries. There's "Here"
and "Over There".
