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"I will use Windows 7 or Mac OS interchangeably as desktops, and often surprise people when they find this out. I actually try to avoid using
Linux on the desktop because it's a distraction from my focus, which is
Linux userspace internals (non-GUI stuff.)"
2012 interview
https://usesthis.com/interviews/daniel.robbins/
Say it ain't so!
"I will use Windows 7 or Mac OS interchangeably as desktops, and often surprise people when they find this out. I actually try to avoid using
Linux on the desktop because it's a distraction from my focus, which is
Linux userspace internals (non-GUI stuff.)"
2012 interview https://usesthis.com/interviews/daniel.robbins/
Say it ain't so!
Le 14-12-2024, DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> a écrit :
"I will use Windows 7 or Mac OS interchangeably as desktops, and often
surprise people when they find this out. I actually try to avoid using
Linux on the desktop because it's a distraction from my focus, which is
Linux userspace internals (non-GUI stuff.)"
2012 interview
https://usesthis.com/interviews/daniel.robbins/
Say it ain't so!
Agreed, with Windows and mac, as you can't adapt them to your needs, you
have to adapt yourself to their design. With Linux, you can adapt it to
your needs so if you want to, it takes some time and can be considered
as a distraction.
That being said, depending on your choice of WM, the ricing is not that
long and stays for a long time. Unlike Windows which changes with every update and asks you to learn everything again from scratch.
Maybe that's why you didn't quote the part when he says he'd like to do
it: "I'd like to create my own desktop environment for Linux, but I'm a perfectionist and semi-good graphic designer, so it'll have to be really good."
And of course, you forgot to quote: "If anything can be learned from
this, there is power in actually articulating your dream setup, since
once you know what it would look like, you may actually find that making
it happen is easier than you think." Which is exactly what Linux
provides you. It's interesting to see how the same message can be used
to say one thing and it's contrary depending on the way you quote it.
On 14 Dec 2024 23:56:58 GMT, Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> wrote
in <675e1b4a$0$11455$426a74cc@news.free.fr>:
Le 14-12-2024, DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> a écrit :
"I will use Windows 7 or Mac OS interchangeably as desktops, and often
surprise people when they find this out. I actually try to avoid using
Linux on the desktop because it's a distraction from my focus, which is
Linux userspace internals (non-GUI stuff.)"
2012 interview
https://usesthis.com/interviews/daniel.robbins/
Say it ain't so!
Agreed, with Windows and mac, as you can't adapt them to your needs, you
have to adapt yourself to their design. With Linux, you can adapt it to
your needs so if you want to, it takes some time and can be considered
as a distraction.
That being said, depending on your choice of WM, the ricing is not that
long and stays for a long time. Unlike Windows which changes with every
update and asks you to learn everything again from scratch.
Maybe that's why you didn't quote the part when he says he'd like to do
it: "I'd like to create my own desktop environment for Linux, but I'm a
perfectionist and semi-good graphic designer, so it'll have to be really
good."
And of course, you forgot to quote: "If anything can be learned from
this, there is power in actually articulating your dream setup, since
once you know what it would look like, you may actually find that making
it happen is easier than you think." Which is exactly what Linux
provides you. It's interesting to see how the same message can be used
to say one thing and it's contrary depending on the way you quote it.
And...the article is 12 years old.
Linux desktops have improved considerably since then.
"I will use Windows 7 or Mac OS interchangeably as desktops, and often surprise people when they find this out. I actually try to avoid using
Linux on the desktop because it's a distraction from my focus, which is
Linux userspace internals (non-GUI stuff.)"
2012 interview
https://usesthis.com/interviews/daniel.robbins/
Say it ain't so!
Le 14-12-2024, DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> a écrit :
"I will use Windows 7 or Mac OS interchangeably as desktops, and often
surprise people when they find this out. I actually try to avoid using
Linux on the desktop because it's a distraction from my focus, which is
Linux userspace internals (non-GUI stuff.)"
2012 interview
https://usesthis.com/interviews/daniel.robbins/
Say it ain't so!
Agreed, with Windows and mac, as you can't adapt them to your needs, you
have to adapt yourself to their design. With Linux, you can adapt it to
your needs so if you want to, it takes some time and can be considered
as a distraction.
That being said, depending on your choice of WM, the ricing is not that
long and stays for a long time. Unlike Windows which changes with every update and asks you to learn everything again from scratch.
Maybe that's why you didn't quote the part when he says he'd like to do
it: "I'd like to create my own desktop environment for Linux, but I'm a perfectionist and semi-good graphic designer, so it'll have to be really good."
And of course, you forgot to quote: "If anything can be learned from
this, there is power in actually articulating your dream setup, since
once you know what it would look like, you may actually find that making
it happen is easier than you think." Which is exactly what Linux
provides you. It's interesting to see how the same message can be used
to say one thing and it's contrary depending on the way you quote it.
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On 2024-12-15, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
Le 2024-12-14 à 18:29, DFS a écrit :
"I will use Windows 7 or Mac OS interchangeably as desktops, and often
surprise people when they find this out. I actually try to avoid using
Linux on the desktop because it's a distraction from my focus, which is
Linux userspace internals (non-GUI stuff.)"
2012 interview
https://usesthis.com/interviews/daniel.robbins/
Say it ain't so!
It's probably because like most Linux users, he ends up tinkering with
the system rather than actually getting things done. All MacOS desktops
more or less look the same but it doesn't matter because most Mac users
see their machine as a tool to accomplish a task. With Windows, it's
often the case too but there is always a distraction to keep people away
from their work. With Linux, it seems to be nothing but distractions.
Bullshit. I use Linux for the same things I used Windows for (when I still used Windows). Email, writing, streaming movies, some forums, OCR scanning, listening to music and using the for Internet news and research. What most people use their computers for at home. Linux is more efficient than either Windows or Macs (I know, I've tried both — both are crap in my opinion).
some dumb fsck wrote:
"I will use Windows 7 or Mac OS interchangeably as desktops, and often
surprise people when they find this out. I actually try to avoid using
Linux on the desktop because it's a distraction from my focus, which is
Linux userspace internals (non-GUI stuff.)"
2012 interview
https://usesthis.com/interviews/daniel.robbins/
Say it ain't so!
Agreed, with Windows and mac, as you can't adapt them to your needs, you
have to adapt yourself to their design. With Linux, you can adapt it to
your needs so if you want to, it takes some time and can be considered
as a distraction.
That being said, depending on your choice of WM, the ricing is not that
long and stays for a long time. Unlike Windows which changes with every >update and asks you to learn everything again from scratch.
Maybe that's why you didn't quote the part when he says he'd like to do
it: "I'd like to create my own desktop environment for Linux, but I'm a >perfectionist and semi-good graphic designer, so it'll have to be really >good."
And of course, you forgot to quote: "If anything can be learned from
this, there is power in actually articulating your dream setup, since
once you know what it would look like, you may actually find that making
it happen is easier than you think." Which is exactly what Linux
provides you. It's interesting to see how the same message can be used
to say one thing and it's contrary depending on the way you quote it.
On 2024-12-16, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
Le 2024-12-16 à 05:24, RonB a écrit :
On 2024-12-15, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:Both operating systems have their distractions and I don't find myself
Le 2024-12-14 à 18:29, DFS a écrit :
"I will use Windows 7 or Mac OS interchangeably as desktops, and often >>>>> surprise people when they find this out. I actually try to avoid using >>>>> Linux on the desktop because it's a distraction from my focus, which is >>>>> Linux userspace internals (non-GUI stuff.)"
2012 interview
https://usesthis.com/interviews/daniel.robbins/
Say it ain't so!
It's probably because like most Linux users, he ends up tinkering with >>>> the system rather than actually getting things done. All MacOS desktops >>>> more or less look the same but it doesn't matter because most Mac users >>>> see their machine as a tool to accomplish a task. With Windows, it's
often the case too but there is always a distraction to keep people away >>>> from their work. With Linux, it seems to be nothing but distractions.
Bullshit. I use Linux for the same things I used Windows for (when I still >>> used Windows). Email, writing, streaming movies, some forums, OCR scanning, >>> listening to music and using the for Internet news and research. What most >>> people use their computers for at home. Linux is more efficient than either >>> Windows or Macs (I know, I've tried both — both are crap in my opinion). >>
any more productive under Linux than I do under Windows. If anything, I
constantly have to spend time getting Linux to do the basic things
Windows gets right out of the box. Even if I get it to work on Monday,
an update might cause it to break on Tuesday necessitating a new kind of
fix.
I'm guessing this is because you have a whole lot more experience with Windows than with Linux. I don't have issues getting Linux to do "basic things." Not even sure what "basic things" you're talking about.
I just spent about three hours getting my wife's desktop to boot and update to the newest Windows 11 update (which is why I suspect it locked up in the first place). Once I got Windows to boot (by disconnecting the hard drive
and removing it from the "boot choice" in the BIOS — it took an hour and a half to download the update and install it — than about another ten minutes after rebooting... doing something or other. This is on a 10th generation Intel CPU, with 40 GBs of RAM, using an NVMe SSD, with an Internet speeds of about 650 Mbps. Heaven knows how long it would have taken with slower Internet, an older CPU and 8 GBs of RAM.
So, one of the "basic things" for me is being able to start and update the damn computer without it locking up and taking over an hour a half just to download and install an update. I have never had to deal with something like this in the 18 years I've been using Linux (except when supporting my family's Windows' machines).
I just spent about three hours getting my wife's desktop to boot and
update to the newest Windows 11 update (which is why I suspect it locked
up in the first place). Once I got Windows to boot (by disconnecting the
hard drive and removing it from the "boot choice" in the BIOS — it took
an hour and a half to download the update and install it — than about another ten minutes after rebooting... doing something or other. This is
on a 10th generation Intel CPU, with 40 GBs of RAM, using an NVMe SSD,
with an Internet speeds of about 650 Mbps. Heaven knows how long it
would have taken with slower Internet, an older CPU and 8 GBs of RAM.
Getting the hardware to work as it should from the moment you're done
installing the operating system. A fresh installation of Windows does
that. Linux comes close, but you will inevitably be forced to find
workarounds for some of your hardware. On this PC in particular, there
is no way to get the fingerprint reader to work, you won't get the audio
to play at its highest potential volume, and you won't be able to use
any of the advanced trackpad gestures. Apparently, it's possible to get
the reader by overwriting the firmware and doing a bunch of other
complicated junk in Arch alone, but there is no remedy for the sound and
none of the desktop environments do too well with simple gestures like
two-finger flick to the left or the right to go back or forward on
webpages. They give you lots of gestures to do tons of other things like
switching virtual desktops, but the most basic thing seems to elude them.
Your "experience" with Linux doesn't match mine. When I moved to Idaho to help care for my wife's aging parents, we traveled light. I had a laptop
but I wanted to use a desktop. I bought one at the second hand store without a hard drive. I ran that computer on a Live Linux Mint USB for about two months, install took a couple minutes. Try that with Windows. Get back to me with your results.
As for fingerprint readers, specialized GPUs, etc., I can't say one way or the other. I don't use fingerprint readers (even where I have them), nor do
I care about trackpad gestures. I get rid of tapping on my trackpads and
want to use them for two things, moving cursor and scrolling.
As for sound, your problems with it are not mine. I guess there are advantages to using business machines as opposed to gaming machines. No issues with sound on my computers. No Arch ever needed.
I just spent about three hours getting my wife's desktop to boot and update >>> to the newest Windows 11 update (which is why I suspect it locked up in the >>> first place). Once I got Windows to boot (by disconnecting the hard drive >>> and removing it from the "boot choice" in the BIOS — it took an hour and a
half to download the update and install it — than about another ten minutes
after rebooting... doing something or other. This is on a 10th generation >>> Intel CPU, with 40 GBs of RAM, using an NVMe SSD, with an Internet speeds of
about 650 Mbps. Heaven knows how long it would have taken with slower
Internet, an older CPU and 8 GBs of RAM.
I wouldn't want to find out. If she doesn't update regularly as she
should, I have no sympathy for the fact that she had to go through one
long update which took hours. My wife is the same way and I don't bother
to help her anymore since she keeps doing it to herself despite my warnings.
Yes my wife does update when she's informed that one is necessary. This is just Windows being Windows. Microsoft's updates suck.
So, one of the "basic things" for me is being able to start and update the >>> damn computer without it locking up and taking over an hour a half just to >>> download and install an update. I have never had to deal with something like
this in the 18 years I've been using Linux (except when supporting my
family's Windows' machines).
I admit that this isn't ideal. However, once that update completes, you
know that your desktop will work as it should preserving all settings
and software. I would rather that be the expectation and what Microsoft
promises than the fast alternative requiring you to fix (if you're
capable) a Linux installation or completely reinstall it. I'm sure that
you've had nothing but good luck in eighteen years of using Linux since
I have no reason to doubt your sincerity, but I've experienced way too
many broken installations which crashed because some obscure library
went from 0.32.8.1 to 0.32.8.2.
No you don't know that. (Maybe more so now then in the past, I don't know.) My wife has had BSODs after updates. And didn't a recent application update kill Windows machines with BSODs all over the world?
As I've mentioned now (several times) I've never had a single Linux update fail. Just to see if it would work, I recently upgraded a 2007 Dell Latitude D430 from Linux Mint 18.2 to Linux Mint 21 — without rebuilding anything. This required three major point upgrades (18 to 19, 19 to 20 and 20 to 21) and three minor point updates (from 18.2 to 18.3, 19 to 19.3, 20 to 20.3). This took hours (mostly while I was doing other things in the background), but it was done. The D430 runs on 2 GBs of memory (its maximum) and uses an old Core 2 Duo CPU.
Since I KNOW this works (I don't go by what I read from Windows FUDsters) I KNOW that all these supposed issues with Linux upgrades are BS. That said, would I do this on a regular basis? No. It's fast an easy to back up your data, and rebuild your computer with Linux. Takes about a half an hour
total. (Try that on Windows.)
On 2024-12-17, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
Le 2024-12-17 à 15:25, RonB a écrit :
Getting the hardware to work as it should from the moment you're doneYour "experience" with Linux doesn't match mine. When I moved to Idaho to >>> help care for my wife's aging parents, we traveled light. I had a laptop >>> but I wanted to use a desktop. I bought one at the second hand store without
installing the operating system. A fresh installation of Windows does
that. Linux comes close, but you will inevitably be forced to find
workarounds for some of your hardware. On this PC in particular, there >>>> is no way to get the fingerprint reader to work, you won't get the audio >>>> to play at its highest potential volume, and you won't be able to use
any of the advanced trackpad gestures. Apparently, it's possible to get >>>> the reader by overwriting the firmware and doing a bunch of other
complicated junk in Arch alone, but there is no remedy for the sound and >>>> none of the desktop environments do too well with simple gestures like >>>> two-finger flick to the left or the right to go back or forward on
webpages. They give you lots of gestures to do tons of other things like >>>> switching virtual desktops, but the most basic thing seems to elude them. >>>
a hard drive. I ran that computer on a Live Linux Mint USB for about two >>> months, install took a couple minutes. Try that with Windows. Get back to me
with your results.
Part of enabling hardware encryption on Windows requires you to use
Windows To Go in much the way you would Linux on a LiveUSB stick. It's
doable, but Microsoft doesn't give you a direct way of creating such an
installation the way that Linux does. I'll say this much: I do believe
that you ran a live Linux environment for months rather comfortably and
that the installation took little time. That's definitely a strength of
the operating system.
As for fingerprint readers, specialized GPUs, etc., I can't say one way or >>> the other. I don't use fingerprint readers (even where I have them), nor do >>> I care about trackpad gestures. I get rid of tapping on my trackpads and >>> want to use them for two things, moving cursor and scrolling.
As for sound, your problems with it are not mine. I guess there are
advantages to using business machines as opposed to gaming machines. No
issues with sound on my computers. No Arch ever needed.
The sound chip uses something called Dolby Atmos in Windows. Without it,
the sound is no different in Windows than it would be in Linux. With it,
the volume is augmented and you can set it up for the type of sound you
are using. It increases the sound without causing crackling and it is
definitely a feature people aren't likely to want to sacrifice. As for
the fingerprint reader, the issue stems from the manufacturer doing
nothing to open its hardware for open-source developers. However,
manufacturers have no obligation to support Linux and they aren't
compensated in any way if they decide to.
Maybe my computers don't have this "Dolby Atmos" because I can't tell any difference between Windows and Linux when I play music on the same computer. I know I don't have any crackling (as it would drive me nuts).
I realize that a lot of people like the fingerprint reader, but I saw how these could be used to steal your identity (right when they first came out) and I decided I never wanted to use them.
Yes my wife does update when she's informed that one is necessary. This is >>> just Windows being Windows. Microsoft's updates suck.
I can't say that I like them either, but 11's are definitely better than
10. The fact that it essentially reinstalls the operating system on big
updates is a bonus for me since it cleans out the crap. It's obviously
much slower than a Linux one, but I don't dislike it.
I've updated Windows 11 a couple times and do think, generally, it's better than Windows 10. So I'll give you that. Still take way too long, though.
Maybe my computers don't have this "Dolby Atmos" because I can't tell any >>> difference between Windows and Linux when I play music on the same computer.
I know I don't have any crackling (as it would drive me nuts).
You would have to have this exact machine to see the difference in sound
quality between Windows and Linux. Windows is louder and demonstrates
the full potential of the speakers; Linux sounds good but it quieter.
I do have the exact machine as I've tested when dual-booting on the same computer.
I realize that a lot of people like the fingerprint reader, but I saw how >>> these could be used to steal your identity (right when they first came out) >>> and I decided I never wanted to use them.
I agree that it would be trivial to get into the machine of a user if
logging in requires nothing more than a fingerprint. I mean, you can
just force his finger onto the reader and away you go. It is, however,
very convenient if there are protections on every component you use. For
example, I have a password to log in but I also have one to open the
BitWarden vault, I then require a password/one-time password/key/key
password to enter my e-mail, and that's without mentioning that the
whole drive is protected by hardware encryption. If you can simplify
some of it through the use of a fingerprint, you will.
I'm thinking more of stealing your fingerprint for other uses.
I've updated Windows 11 a couple times and do think, generally, it's better >>> than Windows 10. So I'll give you that. Still take way too long, though.
For me, Windows 10 was worse than 8 or 8.1. I truly do feel that while
the 8.x line was a mess, it performed well since the code was no worse
than 7 which was stellar. 10, however, is the result of Microsoft
deciding to make more use of the things people hated about 8.x and
presenting them differently. Obviously, there were going to be a lot of
issues. Had 11 never come to be or if my hardware were such that I would
have to make the decision between using Linux or sticking to 10, I would
gladly just use Linux. I hated 10 that much.
< snip >
I don't know much about any of these versions of Windows as I basically quit using Windows when XP was going to be updated to Vista. I really don't like any of them.
On 2024-12-19, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:< snip >
Le 2024-12-19 à 02:45, RonB a écrit :
I'm thinking more of stealing your fingerprint for other uses.
Where Windows stores the fingerprints is fairly well known. However, the
fingerprint itself is encrypted within those files. I imagine that such
things don't matter and that anyone who has those files would be able to
use them to log in anyway, but reports of that happening haven't emerged.
All I know is that it was an issue at the beginning and, anything stored in Windows can be found via back doors.
I don't know much about any of these versions of Windows as I basically quit
using Windows when XP was going to be updated to Vista. I really don't like >>> any of them.
It's a good thing you never used the beta versions of Vista. Those were
absolutely horrendous. When I got the e-mail telling me that the
operating system was being released to manufacturers, I was shocked
because I felt that it was nowhere near ready.
I heard a lot of bad things about Vista and Windows 8. Fortunately I didn't experience them as a regular user. I did get Vista working on my old
Latitude E6400 (just to see if I could do it) but this was the last version and was not a whole lot different than Windows 7 by then (that I could see).
Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote this post while blinking in Morse code:
Le 14-12-2024, DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> a écrit :
"I will use Windows 7 or Mac OS interchangeably as desktops, and often
surprise people when they find this out. I actually try to avoid using
Linux on the desktop because it's a distraction from my focus, which is
Linux userspace internals (non-GUI stuff.)"
2012 interview
https://usesthis.com/interviews/daniel.robbins/
Say it ain't so!
12 years ago. What's up these days?