• Re: Update Firefox browser

    From Adam@21:1/5 to Marco Moock on Sun Oct 27 06:25:29 2024
    On 10/25/2024 08:49 AM, Marco Moock wrote:
    On 24.10.2024 um 11:59 Uhr Adam wrote:

    How to safely update Firefox without messing up Ubuntu 16.04 ?

    This system is EoL since 2021. Upgrade to a current version or another
    OS.
    If you don't like snap, switch to Debian, Mint, Slackware, etc.


    Thanks, I'm looking into 22.04 LTS now. Already tried Mint 21
    (Vanessa). Also tried Mint 21.x, USB Live with persistence did not work
    for some reason.

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  • From Marco Moock@21:1/5 to All on Sun Oct 27 16:22:17 2024
    On 27.10.2024 um 06:25 Uhr Adam wrote:

    I'm looking into 22.04 LTS now.

    Use 24.04.

    --
    kind regards
    Marco

    Send spam to 1730006729muell@cartoonies.org

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  • From Paul@21:1/5 to Marco Moock on Sun Oct 27 13:31:47 2024
    On Sun, 10/27/2024 11:22 AM, Marco Moock wrote:
    On 27.10.2024 um 06:25 Uhr Adam wrote:

    I'm looking into 22.04 LTS now.

    Use 24.04.

    No. He's looking at Mint, and he doesn't want Snaps.
    The latest 6GB UB DVD is an insult to intelligence.
    You've downloaded 6GB worth of Snaps, and some
    ordinary utilities are missing. Give me a break.
    The Snaps have turned into a vanity project.
    The dude running the show, thinks he can craft
    handcuffs with this stuff. Forget it.

    The only problem with going too far forward on Mint,
    is the impact of the newer kernel. Maybe an older
    graphics device does not work. The 5.15 kernel was pretty
    good in that regard. It may require testing
    a couple Mints, to see which one is comfortable
    for the hardware.

    *******

    Thread on persistence.

    https://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?t=418031

    Manually add persistence to a Rufus stick. the message here,
    is to add a partition to the end. (Usually) the name of the
    partition is important. I can't be positive the name of the
    partition used here, is correct.

    https://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?p=2448098#p2448098

    Without using windows, I would think the Ubuntu 16.04 already
    on the computer, should provide the materials (via gparted)
    to make some changes. I would verify this works, but my collection
    of USB sticks is pretty worn, and I don't know if the current one
    would survive this. I would simulate in VirtualBox, except
    VirtualBox refuses to boot from virtual USB images.

    It's really better to install test OSes on some old hard drive
    you've got. My local computer store has the 128GB version of
    this for $20. I have about four of the 256GB ones of those,
    and I am putting scratch OSes on them for test. And the 256 cost
    about $40 each. When you work out the TBW of those, they're
    about as expensive as a Samsung, but the thing is, you can
    "buy a smaller quantity of storage" that way. Samsung is unlikely
    to offer a 128GB drive today. And 128GB is plenty of room for
    a Mint install.

    https://www.lexar.com/product/ssd-ns100/

    Paul

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  • From Adam@21:1/5 to Paul on Sun Oct 27 14:19:03 2024
    On 10/27/2024 10:31 AM, Paul wrote:
    On Sun, 10/27/2024 11:22 AM, Marco Moock wrote:
    On 27.10.2024 um 06:25 Uhr Adam wrote:

    I'm looking into 22.04 LTS now.

    Use 24.04.

    No. He's looking at Mint, and he doesn't want Snaps.
    The latest 6GB UB DVD is an insult to intelligence.
    You've downloaded 6GB worth of Snaps, and some
    ordinary utilities are missing. Give me a break.
    The Snaps have turned into a vanity project.
    The dude running the show, thinks he can craft
    handcuffs with this stuff. Forget it.

    The only problem with going too far forward on Mint,
    is the impact of the newer kernel. Maybe an older
    graphics device does not work. The 5.15 kernel was pretty
    good in that regard. It may require testing
    a couple Mints, to see which one is comfortable
    for the hardware.

    *******

    Thread on persistence.

    https://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?t=418031

    Manually add persistence to a Rufus stick. the message here,
    is to add a partition to the end. (Usually) the name of the
    partition is important. I can't be positive the name of the
    partition used here, is correct.

    https://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?p=2448098#p2448098

    Without using windows, I would think the Ubuntu 16.04 already
    on the computer, should provide the materials (via gparted)
    to make some changes. I would verify this works, but my collection
    of USB sticks is pretty worn, and I don't know if the current one
    would survive this. I would simulate in VirtualBox, except
    VirtualBox refuses to boot from virtual USB images.

    It's really better to install test OSes on some old hard drive
    you've got. My local computer store has the 128GB version of
    this for $20. I have about four of the 256GB ones of those,
    and I am putting scratch OSes on them for test. And the 256 cost
    about $40 each. When you work out the TBW of those, they're
    about as expensive as a Samsung, but the thing is, you can
    "buy a smaller quantity of storage" that way. Samsung is unlikely
    to offer a 128GB drive today. And 128GB is plenty of room for
    a Mint install.

    https://www.lexar.com/product/ssd-ns100/

    Paul


    Thanks, Guru Paul !!

    Just go with Mint 21.3 (Virginia) on HDD then. Size of my /home (not /
    root) partition is the problem. :-)

    Ubuntu 16.04 keeps silently truncating long filenames and silently
    removing special characters (like semicolon). I often save .PNG, .MOV &
    .MP4 files from Firefox and/or GIMP. And, need to confirm in Nautilus
    that the filename is as intended.

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  • From Adam@21:1/5 to Adam on Sun Oct 27 18:30:02 2024
    On 10/27/2024 02:19 PM, Adam wrote:
    On 10/27/2024 10:31 AM, Paul wrote:
    On Sun, 10/27/2024 11:22 AM, Marco Moock wrote:
    On 27.10.2024 um 06:25 Uhr Adam wrote:

    I'm looking into 22.04 LTS now.

    Use 24.04.

    No. He's looking at Mint, and he doesn't want Snaps.
    The latest 6GB UB DVD is an insult to intelligence.
    You've downloaded 6GB worth of Snaps, and some
    ordinary utilities are missing. Give me a break.
    The Snaps have turned into a vanity project.
    The dude running the show, thinks he can craft
    handcuffs with this stuff. Forget it.

    The only problem with going too far forward on Mint,
    is the impact of the newer kernel. Maybe an older
    graphics device does not work. The 5.15 kernel was pretty
    good in that regard. It may require testing
    a couple Mints, to see which one is comfortable
    for the hardware.

    *******

    Thread on persistence.

    https://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?t=418031

    Manually add persistence to a Rufus stick. the message here,
    is to add a partition to the end. (Usually) the name of the
    partition is important. I can't be positive the name of the
    partition used here, is correct.

    https://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?p=2448098#p2448098

    Without using windows, I would think the Ubuntu 16.04 already
    on the computer, should provide the materials (via gparted)
    to make some changes. I would verify this works, but my collection
    of USB sticks is pretty worn, and I don't know if the current one
    would survive this. I would simulate in VirtualBox, except
    VirtualBox refuses to boot from virtual USB images.

    It's really better to install test OSes on some old hard drive
    you've got. My local computer store has the 128GB version of
    this for $20. I have about four of the 256GB ones of those,
    and I am putting scratch OSes on them for test. And the 256 cost
    about $40 each. When you work out the TBW of those, they're
    about as expensive as a Samsung, but the thing is, you can
    "buy a smaller quantity of storage" that way. Samsung is unlikely
    to offer a 128GB drive today. And 128GB is plenty of room for
    a Mint install.

    https://www.lexar.com/product/ssd-ns100/

    Paul


    Thanks, Guru Paul !!

    Just go with Mint 21.3 (Virginia) on HDD then. Size of my /home (not /
    root) partition is the problem. :-)

    Ubuntu 16.04 keeps silently truncating long filenames and silently
    removing special characters (like colon). I often save .PNG, .MOV &
    .MP4 files from Firefox and/or GIMP. And, need to confirm in Nautilus
    that the filename is as intended.


    Correction...

    Replaced "semicolon" with "colon" above.

    Ubuntu 16.04 keeps silently truncating long filenames and silently
    removing special characters (like colon).

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  • From Hoppy@21:1/5 to Adam on Sun Oct 27 21:16:33 2024
    On 10/27/24 18:30, Adam wrote:
    On 10/27/2024 02:19 PM, Adam wrote:
    On 10/27/2024 10:31 AM, Paul wrote:
    On Sun, 10/27/2024 11:22 AM, Marco Moock wrote:
    On 27.10.2024 um 06:25 Uhr Adam wrote:

    I'm looking into 22.04 LTS now.

    Use 24.04.

    No. He's looking at Mint, and he doesn't want Snaps.
    The latest 6GB UB DVD is an insult to intelligence.
    You've downloaded 6GB worth of Snaps, and some
    ordinary utilities are missing. Give me a break.
    The Snaps have turned into a vanity project.
    The dude running the show, thinks he can craft
    handcuffs with this stuff. Forget it.

    The only problem with going too far forward on Mint,
    is the impact of the newer kernel. Maybe an older
    graphics device does not work. The 5.15 kernel was pretty
    good in that regard. It may require testing
    a couple Mints, to see which one is comfortable
    for the hardware.

    *******

    Thread on persistence.

    https://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?t=418031

    Manually add persistence to a Rufus stick. the message here,
    is to add a partition to the end. (Usually) the name of the
    partition is important. I can't be positive the name of the
    partition used here, is correct.

    https://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?p=2448098#p2448098

    Without using windows, I would think the Ubuntu 16.04 already
    on the computer, should provide the materials (via gparted)
    to make some changes. I would verify this works, but my collection
    of USB sticks is pretty worn, and I don't know if the current one
    would survive this. I would simulate in VirtualBox, except
    VirtualBox refuses to boot from virtual USB images.

    It's really better to install test OSes on some old hard drive
    you've got. My local computer store has the 128GB version of
    this for $20. I have about four of the 256GB ones of those,
    and I am putting scratch OSes on them for test. And the 256 cost
    about $40 each. When you work out the TBW of those, they're
    about as expensive as a Samsung, but the thing is, you can
    "buy a smaller quantity of storage" that way. Samsung is unlikely
    to offer a 128GB drive today. And 128GB is plenty of room for
    a Mint install.

    https://www.lexar.com/product/ssd-ns100/

        Paul


    Thanks, Guru Paul !!

    Just go with Mint 21.3 (Virginia) on HDD then.  Size of my /home (not /
    root) partition is the problem.  :-)

    Ubuntu 16.04 keeps silently truncating long filenames and silently
    removing special characters (like colon).  I often save .PNG, .MOV &
    .MP4 files from Firefox and/or GIMP.  And, need to confirm in Nautilus
    that the filename is as intended.


    Correction...

    Replaced "semicolon" with "colon" above.

    Ubuntu 16.04 keeps silently truncating long filenames and silently
    removing special characters (like colon).

    You said earlier that "I prefer a stable version over the latest and
    greatest version."

    https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/enterprise/ has the Extended
    Support Release - ESR

    That's all I've used for many years. Never had problems with ESR.

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  • From Adam@21:1/5 to Hoppy on Sun Oct 27 23:04:20 2024
    On 10/27/2024 09:16 PM, Hoppy wrote:
    On 10/27/24 18:30, Adam wrote:
    On 10/27/2024 02:19 PM, Adam wrote:
    On 10/27/2024 10:31 AM, Paul wrote:
    On Sun, 10/27/2024 11:22 AM, Marco Moock wrote:
    On 27.10.2024 um 06:25 Uhr Adam wrote:

    I'm looking into 22.04 LTS now.

    Use 24.04.

    No. He's looking at Mint, and he doesn't want Snaps.
    The latest 6GB UB DVD is an insult to intelligence.
    You've downloaded 6GB worth of Snaps, and some
    ordinary utilities are missing. Give me a break.
    The Snaps have turned into a vanity project.
    The dude running the show, thinks he can craft
    handcuffs with this stuff. Forget it.

    The only problem with going too far forward on Mint,
    is the impact of the newer kernel. Maybe an older
    graphics device does not work. The 5.15 kernel was pretty
    good in that regard. It may require testing
    a couple Mints, to see which one is comfortable
    for the hardware.

    *******

    Thread on persistence.

    https://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?t=418031

    Manually add persistence to a Rufus stick. the message here,
    is to add a partition to the end. (Usually) the name of the
    partition is important. I can't be positive the name of the
    partition used here, is correct.

    https://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?p=2448098#p2448098

    Without using windows, I would think the Ubuntu 16.04 already
    on the computer, should provide the materials (via gparted)
    to make some changes. I would verify this works, but my collection
    of USB sticks is pretty worn, and I don't know if the current one
    would survive this. I would simulate in VirtualBox, except
    VirtualBox refuses to boot from virtual USB images.

    It's really better to install test OSes on some old hard drive
    you've got. My local computer store has the 128GB version of
    this for $20. I have about four of the 256GB ones of those,
    and I am putting scratch OSes on them for test. And the 256 cost
    about $40 each. When you work out the TBW of those, they're
    about as expensive as a Samsung, but the thing is, you can
    "buy a smaller quantity of storage" that way. Samsung is unlikely
    to offer a 128GB drive today. And 128GB is plenty of room for
    a Mint install.

    https://www.lexar.com/product/ssd-ns100/

    Paul


    Thanks, Guru Paul !!

    Just go with Mint 21.3 (Virginia) on HDD then. Size of my /home (not /
    root) partition is the problem. :-)

    Ubuntu 16.04 keeps silently truncating long filenames and silently
    removing special characters (like colon). I often save .PNG, .MOV &
    .MP4 files from Firefox and/or GIMP. And, need to confirm in Nautilus
    that the filename is as intended.


    Correction...

    Replaced "semicolon" with "colon" above.

    Ubuntu 16.04 keeps silently truncating long filenames and silently
    removing special characters (like colon).

    You said earlier that "I prefer a stable version over the latest and
    greatest version."

    https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/enterprise/ has the Extended
    Support Release - ESR

    That's all I've used for many years. Never had problems with ESR.

    I get nervous when I see the word "enterprise". :-)

    Is Firefox going the corporate route (like Red Hat)?

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  • From Hoppy@21:1/5 to Adam on Sun Oct 27 23:29:58 2024
    On 10/27/24 23:04, Adam wrote:
    On 10/27/2024 09:16 PM, Hoppy wrote:
    On 10/27/24 18:30, Adam wrote:
    On 10/27/2024 02:19 PM, Adam wrote:
    On 10/27/2024 10:31 AM, Paul wrote:
    On Sun, 10/27/2024 11:22 AM, Marco Moock wrote:
    On 27.10.2024 um 06:25 Uhr Adam wrote:

    I'm looking into 22.04 LTS now.

    Use 24.04.

    No. He's looking at Mint, and he doesn't want Snaps.
    The latest 6GB UB DVD is an insult to intelligence.
    You've downloaded 6GB worth of Snaps, and some
    ordinary utilities are missing. Give me a break.
    The Snaps have turned into a vanity project.
    The dude running the show, thinks he can craft
    handcuffs with this stuff. Forget it.

    The only problem with going too far forward on Mint,
    is the impact of the newer kernel. Maybe an older
    graphics device does not work. The 5.15 kernel was pretty
    good in that regard. It may require testing
    a couple Mints, to see which one is comfortable
    for the hardware.

    *******

    Thread on persistence.

    https://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?t=418031

    Manually add persistence to a Rufus stick. the message here,
    is to add a partition to the end. (Usually) the name of the
    partition is important. I can't be positive the name of the
    partition used here, is correct.

    https://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?p=2448098#p2448098

    Without using windows, I would think the Ubuntu 16.04 already
    on the computer, should provide the materials (via gparted)
    to make some changes. I would verify this works, but my collection
    of USB sticks is pretty worn, and I don't know if the current one
    would survive this. I would simulate in VirtualBox, except
    VirtualBox refuses to boot from virtual USB images.

    It's really better to install test OSes on some old hard drive
    you've got. My local computer store has the 128GB version of
    this for $20. I have about four of the 256GB ones of those,
    and I am putting scratch OSes on them for test. And the 256 cost
    about $40 each. When you work out the TBW of those, they're
    about as expensive as a Samsung, but the thing is, you can
    "buy a smaller quantity of storage" that way. Samsung is unlikely
    to offer a 128GB drive today. And 128GB is plenty of room for
    a Mint install.

    https://www.lexar.com/product/ssd-ns100/

        Paul


    Thanks, Guru Paul !!

    Just go with Mint 21.3 (Virginia) on HDD then.  Size of my /home (not / >>>> root) partition is the problem.  :-)

    Ubuntu 16.04 keeps silently truncating long filenames and silently
    removing special characters (like colon).  I often save .PNG, .MOV &
    .MP4 files from Firefox and/or GIMP.  And, need to confirm in Nautilus >>>> that the filename is as intended.


    Correction...

    Replaced "semicolon" with "colon" above.

    Ubuntu 16.04 keeps silently truncating long filenames and silently
    removing special characters (like colon).

    You said earlier that "I prefer a stable version over the latest and
    greatest version."

    https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/enterprise/ has the Extended
    Support Release - ESR

    That's all I've used for many years. Never had problems with ESR.

    I get nervous when I see the word "enterprise".  :-)

    Is Firefox going the corporate route (like Red Hat)?

    No, ESR is focused on stability over trendiness.

    Rapid Release: receives major updates every four weeks and minor updates
    such as crash fixes and security fixes as needed during those four weeks.

    Extended Support Release (ESR): receives major updates on average every
    52 weeks with minor updates such as crash fixes, security fixes and
    policy updates as needed, but at least every four weeks.

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  • From Paul@21:1/5 to Adam on Mon Oct 28 06:20:52 2024
    On Sun, 10/27/2024 9:30 PM, Adam wrote:
    On 10/27/2024 02:19 PM, Adam wrote:
    On 10/27/2024 10:31 AM, Paul wrote:
    On Sun, 10/27/2024 11:22 AM, Marco Moock wrote:
    On 27.10.2024 um 06:25 Uhr Adam wrote:

    I'm looking into 22.04 LTS now.

    Use 24.04.

    No. He's looking at Mint, and he doesn't want Snaps.
    The latest 6GB UB DVD is an insult to intelligence.
    You've downloaded 6GB worth of Snaps, and some
    ordinary utilities are missing. Give me a break.
    The Snaps have turned into a vanity project.
    The dude running the show, thinks he can craft
    handcuffs with this stuff. Forget it.

    The only problem with going too far forward on Mint,
    is the impact of the newer kernel. Maybe an older
    graphics device does not work. The 5.15 kernel was pretty
    good in that regard. It may require testing
    a couple Mints, to see which one is comfortable
    for the hardware.

    *******

    Thread on persistence.

    https://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?t=418031

    Manually add persistence to a Rufus stick. the message here,
    is to add a partition to the end. (Usually) the name of the
    partition is important. I can't be positive the name of the
    partition used here, is correct.

    https://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?p=2448098#p2448098

    Without using windows, I would think the Ubuntu 16.04 already
    on the computer, should provide the materials (via gparted)
    to make some changes. I would verify this works, but my collection
    of USB sticks is pretty worn, and I don't know if the current one
    would survive this. I would simulate in VirtualBox, except
    VirtualBox refuses to boot from virtual USB images.

    It's really better to install test OSes on some old hard drive
    you've got. My local computer store has the 128GB version of
    this for $20. I have about four of the 256GB ones of those,
    and I am putting scratch OSes on them for test. And the 256 cost
    about $40 each. When you work out the TBW of those, they're
    about as expensive as a Samsung, but the thing is, you can
    "buy a smaller quantity of storage" that way. Samsung is unlikely
    to offer a 128GB drive today. And 128GB is plenty of room for
    a Mint install.

    https://www.lexar.com/product/ssd-ns100/

        Paul


    Thanks, Guru Paul !!

    Just go with Mint 21.3 (Virginia) on HDD then.  Size of my /home (not /
    root) partition is the problem.  :-)

    Ubuntu 16.04 keeps silently truncating long filenames and silently
    removing special characters (like colon).  I often save .PNG, .MOV &
    .MP4 files from Firefox and/or GIMP.  And, need to confirm in Nautilus
    that the filename is as intended.


    Correction...

    Replaced "semicolon" with "colon" above.

    Ubuntu 16.04 keeps silently truncating long filenames and silently removing special characters (like colon).


    "The max filename length is 255 bytes. Found in the wiki page for ext4.
    And a maximum path of 4096 characters."

    The most likely type to challenge this is .mp3 files with tags inserted in the filename.

    And web browsers are the most "bomb-worthy" devices, as they can store
    things in a file system which are not compatible with it. If I store
    a link from the Hungarian Embassy on my computer, there are tools that malfunction when they hit the unicode involved. There are even unicode
    entries that Thunderbird cannot display, and the characters are not
    even replaced by square boxes.

    *******

    Another picture of a USB boot stick with a persistent partition
    (rather than a persistence file, like the old days). what is weird
    about this one, is it is GPT but without an ESP for UEFI. As
    I would expect, the label is "casper-rw". And the important thing
    in this example, is gnome-disks lists the thing as Linux Persistence
    implying somehow that at the GPT level it is identified that way.
    I have been unable to reproduce the persistence string on this.
    Mine works, but it won't display exactly like this one.

    https://i.sstatic.net/30YL8.png # writable or casper-rw as the label

    I made a Linux Mint 21.3 stick, set up the persistent partition manually
    and it seems to be working. The casper-rw partition has an upper and
    a work folder, and the upper folder had the testfile.txt that I put
    in my home, while the USB stick was booted.

    $ inxi -F # 21.3 on USB stick, casper-rw labeled EXT4 partition on the stick too
    System:
    Host: mint Kernel: 5.15.0-91-generic x86_64 bits: 64
    Desktop: Cinnamon 6.0.4 Distro: Linux Mint 21.3 Virginia
    Machine:
    Type: Desktop System: ASUS
    Mobo: ASUSTeK model: ROG STRIX B550-F GAMING WIFI II v: Rev X.0x
    serial: <superuser required> UEFI: American Megatrends v: 3607
    date: 03/22/2024
    CPU:
    Info: 16-core model: AMD Ryzen 9 5950X bits: 64 type: MT MCP cache:
    L2: 8 MiB
    Speed (MHz): avg: 3010 min/max: 2200/3400 <=== old OS, it does not understand my CPU
    Graphics:
    Device-1: NVIDIA GP107 [GeForce GTX 1050 Ti] driver: nouveau v: kernel
    Display: x11 server: X.Org v: 1.21.1.4 driver: X: loaded: modesetting
    unloaded: fbdev,vesa gpu: nouveau resolution: 1920x1080~75Hz
    OpenGL: renderer: NV137 v: 4.3 Mesa 23.0.4-0ubuntu1~22.04.1 <=== accelerated ???
    Audio:
    Device-1: NVIDIA GP107GL High Definition Audio driver: snd_hda_intel
    Device-2: AMD Starship/Matisse HD Audio driver: snd_hda_intel
    Sound Server-1: ALSA v: k5.15.0-91-generic running: yes
    Sound Server-2: PulseAudio v: 15.99.1 running: yes
    Sound Server-3: PipeWire v: 0.3.48 running: yes
    Network:
    Device-1: Intel Ethernet I225-V driver: igc
    IF: enp4s0 state: up speed: 1000 Mbps duplex:
    Drives:
    Local Storage: total: 295.77 GiB used: 3 GiB (1.0%)
    ID-1: /dev/sda vendor: Lexar model: SSD NS100 256GB size: 238.47 GiB
    ID-2: /dev/sdb type: USB vendor: SanDisk model: Cruzer Glide size: 57.3 GiB Partition:
    ID-1: / size: 31.33 GiB used: 55.4 MiB (0.2%) fs: overlay source: ERR-102 Swap:
    Alert: No swap data was found.
    Sensors:
    System Temperatures: cpu: N/A mobo: N/A gpu: nouveau temp: 41.0 C
    Fan Speeds (RPM): N/A gpu: nouveau fan: 0 <=== HW not in lm_sensors
    Info:
    Processes: 471 Uptime: 4m Memory: 125.7 GiB used: 2.09 GiB (1.7%)
    Shell: Bash inxi: 3.3.13

    $ inxi -F # LinuxMint 22 on my cheap SSD (no casper-rw partition)
    System:
    Host: FLYPAPER Kernel: 6.8.0-39-generic arch: x86_64 bits: 64
    Desktop: Cinnamon v: 6.2.7 Distro: Linux Mint 22 Wilma
    Machine:
    Type: Desktop System: ASUS
    Mobo: ASUSTeK model: ROG STRIX B550-F GAMING WIFI II v: Rev X.0x
    serial: <superuser required> BIOS: American Megatrends v: 3607
    date: 03/22/2024
    CPU:
    Info: 16-core model: AMD Ryzen 9 5950X bits: 64 type: MT MCP cache:
    L2: 8 MiB
    Speed (MHz): avg: 2349 min/max: 2200/5083 <=== knows about the "good core" scheme
    Graphics:
    Device-1: NVIDIA GP107 [GeForce GTX 1050 Ti] driver: nvidia v: 535.183.01
    Display: x11 server: X.Org v: 21.1.11 with: Xwayland v: 23.2.6 driver: X:
    loaded: modesetting,nouveau,nvidia unloaded: fbdev,vesa
    gpu: nvidia,nvidia-nvswitch resolution: 1: 1920x1080~75Hz 2: N/A
    API: EGL v: 1.5 drivers: kms_swrast,nvidia,swrast
    platforms: gbm,x11,surfaceless,device
    API: OpenGL v: 4.6.0 compat-v: 4.5 vendor: nvidia mesa v: 535.183.01
    renderer: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1050 Ti/PCIe/SSE2 <=== HW accel
    Audio:
    Device-1: NVIDIA GP107GL High Definition Audio driver: snd_hda_intel
    Device-2: AMD Starship/Matisse HD Audio driver: snd_hda_intel
    API: ALSA v: k6.8.0-39-generic status: kernel-api
    Server-1: PipeWire v: 1.0.5 status: active
    Network:
    Device-1: Intel Ethernet I225-V driver: igc
    IF: enp4s0 state: up speed: 1000 Mbps duplex:
    Drives:
    Local Storage: total: 295.77 GiB used: 24.64 GiB (8.3%)
    ID-1: /dev/sda vendor: Lexar model: SSD NS100 256GB size: 238.47 GiB
    ID-2: /dev/sdb vendor: SanDisk model: Cruzer Glide size: 57.3 GiB type: USB Partition:
    ID-1: / size: 32.13 GiB used: 21.65 GiB (67.4%) fs: ext4 dev: /dev/sda2
    Swap:
    Alert: No swap data was found.
    Sensors:
    System Temperatures: cpu: 35.5 C mobo: N/A gpu: nvidia temp: 41 C
    Fan Speeds (rpm): N/A gpu: nvidia fan: 0%
    Info:
    Memory: total: 128 GiB note: est. available: 125.7 GiB used: 2.37 GiB (1.9%)
    Processes: 514 Uptime: 2m Shell: Bash inxi: 3.3.34

    *******

    [Picture] Shows changes to USB stick for persistent partition operation

    https://i.postimg.cc/J4pzbw6v/persistent213.gif

    Paul

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  • From Bobbie Sellers@21:1/5 to Paul on Mon Oct 28 07:33:06 2024
    On 10/28/24 03:20, Paul wrote:
    On Sun, 10/27/2024 9:30 PM, Adam wrote:
    On 10/27/2024 02:19 PM, Adam wrote:
    On 10/27/2024 10:31 AM, Paul wrote:
    On Sun, 10/27/2024 11:22 AM, Marco Moock wrote:
    On 27.10.2024 um 06:25 Uhr Adam wrote:

    I'm looking into 22.04 LTS now.

    Use 24.04.

    No. He's looking at Mint, and he doesn't want Snaps.
    The latest 6GB UB DVD is an insult to intelligence.
    You've downloaded 6GB worth of Snaps, and some
    ordinary utilities are missing. Give me a break.
    The Snaps have turned into a vanity project.
    The dude running the show, thinks he can craft
    handcuffs with this stuff. Forget it.

    The only problem with going too far forward on Mint,
    is the impact of the newer kernel. Maybe an older
    graphics device does not work. The 5.15 kernel was pretty
    good in that regard. It may require testing
    a couple Mints, to see which one is comfortable
    for the hardware.

    *******

    Thread on persistence.

    https://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?t=418031

    Manually add persistence to a Rufus stick. the message here,
    is to add a partition to the end. (Usually) the name of the
    partition is important. I can't be positive the name of the
    partition used here, is correct.

    https://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?p=2448098#p2448098

    Without using windows, I would think the Ubuntu 16.04 already
    on the computer, should provide the materials (via gparted)
    to make some changes. I would verify this works, but my collection
    of USB sticks is pretty worn, and I don't know if the current one
    would survive this. I would simulate in VirtualBox, except
    VirtualBox refuses to boot from virtual USB images.

    It's really better to install test OSes on some old hard drive
    you've got. My local computer store has the 128GB version of
    this for $20. I have about four of the 256GB ones of those,
    and I am putting scratch OSes on them for test. And the 256 cost
    about $40 each. When you work out the TBW of those, they're
    about as expensive as a Samsung, but the thing is, you can
    "buy a smaller quantity of storage" that way. Samsung is unlikely
    to offer a 128GB drive today. And 128GB is plenty of room for
    a Mint install.

    https://www.lexar.com/product/ssd-ns100/

        Paul


    Thanks, Guru Paul !!

    Just go with Mint 21.3 (Virginia) on HDD then.  Size of my /home (not / >>> root) partition is the problem.  :-)

    Ubuntu 16.04 keeps silently truncating long filenames and silently
    removing special characters (like colon).  I often save .PNG, .MOV &
    .MP4 files from Firefox and/or GIMP.  And, need to confirm in Nautilus
    that the filename is as intended.


    Correction...

    Replaced "semicolon" with "colon" above.

    Ubuntu 16.04 keeps silently truncating long filenames and silently removing special characters (like colon).


    "The max filename length is 255 bytes. Found in the wiki page for ext4.
    And a maximum path of 4096 characters."

    The most likely type to challenge this is .mp3 files with tags inserted in the filename.

    And web browsers are the most "bomb-worthy" devices, as they can store
    things in a file system which are not compatible with it. If I store
    a link from the Hungarian Embassy on my computer, there are tools that malfunction when they hit the unicode involved. There are even unicode entries that Thunderbird cannot display, and the characters are not
    even replaced by square boxes.

    *******

    Another picture of a USB boot stick with a persistent partition
    (rather than a persistence file, like the old days). what is weird
    about this one, is it is GPT but without an ESP for UEFI. As
    I would expect, the label is "casper-rw". And the important thing
    in this example, is gnome-disks lists the thing as Linux Persistence
    implying somehow that at the GPT level it is identified that way.
    I have been unable to reproduce the persistence string on this.
    Mine works, but it won't display exactly like this one.

    https://i.sstatic.net/30YL8.png # writable or casper-rw as the label

    I made a Linux Mint 21.3 stick, set up the persistent partition manually
    and it seems to be working. The casper-rw partition has an upper and
    a work folder, and the upper folder had the testfile.txt that I put
    in my home, while the USB stick was booted.

    $ inxi -F # 21.3 on USB stick, casper-rw labeled EXT4 partition on the stick too
    System:
    Host: mint Kernel: 5.15.0-91-generic x86_64 bits: 64
    Desktop: Cinnamon 6.0.4 Distro: Linux Mint 21.3 Virginia
    Machine:
    Type: Desktop System: ASUS
    Mobo: ASUSTeK model: ROG STRIX B550-F GAMING WIFI II v: Rev X.0x
    serial: <superuser required> UEFI: American Megatrends v: 3607
    date: 03/22/2024
    CPU:
    Info: 16-core model: AMD Ryzen 9 5950X bits: 64 type: MT MCP cache:
    L2: 8 MiB
    Speed (MHz): avg: 3010 min/max: 2200/3400 <=== old OS, it does not understand my CPU
    Graphics:
    Device-1: NVIDIA GP107 [GeForce GTX 1050 Ti] driver: nouveau v: kernel
    Display: x11 server: X.Org v: 1.21.1.4 driver: X: loaded: modesetting
    unloaded: fbdev,vesa gpu: nouveau resolution: 1920x1080~75Hz
    OpenGL: renderer: NV137 v: 4.3 Mesa 23.0.4-0ubuntu1~22.04.1 <=== accelerated ???
    Audio:
    Device-1: NVIDIA GP107GL High Definition Audio driver: snd_hda_intel
    Device-2: AMD Starship/Matisse HD Audio driver: snd_hda_intel
    Sound Server-1: ALSA v: k5.15.0-91-generic running: yes
    Sound Server-2: PulseAudio v: 15.99.1 running: yes
    Sound Server-3: PipeWire v: 0.3.48 running: yes
    Network:
    Device-1: Intel Ethernet I225-V driver: igc
    IF: enp4s0 state: up speed: 1000 Mbps duplex:
    Drives:
    Local Storage: total: 295.77 GiB used: 3 GiB (1.0%)
    ID-1: /dev/sda vendor: Lexar model: SSD NS100 256GB size: 238.47 GiB
    ID-2: /dev/sdb type: USB vendor: SanDisk model: Cruzer Glide size: 57.3 GiB
    Partition:
    ID-1: / size: 31.33 GiB used: 55.4 MiB (0.2%) fs: overlay source: ERR-102 Swap:
    Alert: No swap data was found.
    Sensors:
    System Temperatures: cpu: N/A mobo: N/A gpu: nouveau temp: 41.0 C
    Fan Speeds (RPM): N/A gpu: nouveau fan: 0 <=== HW not in lm_sensors
    Info:
    Processes: 471 Uptime: 4m Memory: 125.7 GiB used: 2.09 GiB (1.7%)
    Shell: Bash inxi: 3.3.13

    $ inxi -F # LinuxMint 22 on my cheap SSD (no casper-rw partition)
    System:
    Host: FLYPAPER Kernel: 6.8.0-39-generic arch: x86_64 bits: 64
    Desktop: Cinnamon v: 6.2.7 Distro: Linux Mint 22 Wilma
    Machine:
    Type: Desktop System: ASUS
    Mobo: ASUSTeK model: ROG STRIX B550-F GAMING WIFI II v: Rev X.0x
    serial: <superuser required> BIOS: American Megatrends v: 3607
    date: 03/22/2024
    CPU:
    Info: 16-core model: AMD Ryzen 9 5950X bits: 64 type: MT MCP cache:
    L2: 8 MiB
    Speed (MHz): avg: 2349 min/max: 2200/5083 <=== knows about the "good core" scheme
    Graphics:
    Device-1: NVIDIA GP107 [GeForce GTX 1050 Ti] driver: nvidia v: 535.183.01
    Display: x11 server: X.Org v: 21.1.11 with: Xwayland v: 23.2.6 driver: X:
    loaded: modesetting,nouveau,nvidia unloaded: fbdev,vesa
    gpu: nvidia,nvidia-nvswitch resolution: 1: 1920x1080~75Hz 2: N/A
    API: EGL v: 1.5 drivers: kms_swrast,nvidia,swrast
    platforms: gbm,x11,surfaceless,device
    API: OpenGL v: 4.6.0 compat-v: 4.5 vendor: nvidia mesa v: 535.183.01
    renderer: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1050 Ti/PCIe/SSE2 <=== HW accel
    Audio:
    Device-1: NVIDIA GP107GL High Definition Audio driver: snd_hda_intel
    Device-2: AMD Starship/Matisse HD Audio driver: snd_hda_intel
    API: ALSA v: k6.8.0-39-generic status: kernel-api
    Server-1: PipeWire v: 1.0.5 status: active
    Network:
    Device-1: Intel Ethernet I225-V driver: igc
    IF: enp4s0 state: up speed: 1000 Mbps duplex:
    Drives:
    Local Storage: total: 295.77 GiB used: 24.64 GiB (8.3%)
    ID-1: /dev/sda vendor: Lexar model: SSD NS100 256GB size: 238.47 GiB
    ID-2: /dev/sdb vendor: SanDisk model: Cruzer Glide size: 57.3 GiB type: USB
    Partition:
    ID-1: / size: 32.13 GiB used: 21.65 GiB (67.4%) fs: ext4 dev: /dev/sda2 Swap:
    Alert: No swap data was found.
    Sensors:
    System Temperatures: cpu: 35.5 C mobo: N/A gpu: nvidia temp: 41 C
    Fan Speeds (rpm): N/A gpu: nvidia fan: 0%
    Info:
    Memory: total: 128 GiB note: est. available: 125.7 GiB used: 2.37 GiB (1.9%)
    Processes: 514 Uptime: 2m Shell: Bash inxi: 3.3.34

    *******

    [Picture] Shows changes to USB stick for persistent partition operation

    https://i.postimg.cc/J4pzbw6v/persistent213.gif

    Paul

    Not very useful as the illustration cannot be enlarged enough to
    read the tiny text included.

    bliss

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  • From Paul@21:1/5 to Bobbie Sellers on Mon Oct 28 11:33:59 2024
    On Mon, 10/28/2024 10:33 AM, Bobbie Sellers wrote:

        [Picture]   Shows changes to USB stick for persistent partition operation

         https://i.postimg.cc/J4pzbw6v/persistent213.gif

        Not very useful as the illustration cannot be enlarged enough to
    read the tiny text included.

        bliss

    Your cursor has a magnify icon on the end of it.

    If you click the mouse, what happens ?

    Also, in some cases, you have the option of "Download Original".

    Paul

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  • From Bobbie Sellers@21:1/5 to Paul on Mon Oct 28 09:53:48 2024
    On 10/28/24 08:33, Paul wrote:
    On Mon, 10/28/2024 10:33 AM, Bobbie Sellers wrote:

        [Picture]   Shows changes to USB stick for persistent partition operation

         https://i.postimg.cc/J4pzbw6v/persistent213.gif

        Not very useful as the illustration cannot be enlarged enough to
    read the tiny text included.

        bliss

    Your cursor has a magnify icon on the end of it.

    My experience of Linux is not your experience of Linux

    If you click the mouse, what happens ?

    Also, in some cases, you have the option of "Download Original".

    Paul

    In some cases When I hit Ctrl with "+" the page enlarges
    but not your illustration.
    I am not going to download anything when I don't see a checksum
    or it is not in my distributions repositories.

    bliss- Dell Precision 7730- PCLOS 2024.10- Linux 6.6.58-Plasma 5.27.11

    --
    b l i s s dash s f 4 e v e r at d s l e x t r e m e dot c o m

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  • From Hoppy@21:1/5 to Paul on Mon Oct 28 10:41:20 2024
    On 10/28/24 08:33, Paul wrote:
    On Mon, 10/28/2024 10:33 AM, Bobbie Sellers wrote:

        [Picture]   Shows changes to USB stick for persistent partition operation

         https://i.postimg.cc/J4pzbw6v/persistent213.gif

        Not very useful as the illustration cannot be enlarged enough to
    read the tiny text included.

        bliss

    Your cursor has a magnify icon on the end of it.

    If you click the mouse, what happens ?

    First time, your link brought me to
    https://postimg.cc/mtF4snGy
    Nice enlargement with that page. But why did I get there? Bobbie
    apparently didn't.

    Second time, the link went to
    https://i.postimg.cc/J4pzbw6v/persistent213.gif
    The gif doesn't enlarge much at all.

    Also, in some cases, you have the option of "Download Original".

    Paul

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  • From Paul@21:1/5 to Bobbie Sellers on Mon Oct 28 15:13:07 2024
    On Mon, 10/28/2024 12:53 PM, Bobbie Sellers wrote:

        I am not going to download anything when I don't see a checksum
    or it is not in my distributions repositories.

    Do "download original".

    The file is a GIF.

    Use the file command to convince yourself it is a GIF.

    The GIF was generated with the GIMP photo editor.

    https://giflib.sourceforge.net/whatsinagif/bits_and_bytes.html

    Paul

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  • From Adam@21:1/5 to All on Thu Oct 24 11:59:35 2024
    I'm getting the following message...


    https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/welcome/19/ =====================================================================
    Firefox
    You’re on an older version of Firefox
    Update your Firefox browser

    Older versions of Firefox may start to have problems on January 14,
    2025. A root certificate will expire, causing some preferences and other features to stop working. Update to get the best possible browsing
    experience. Read more about this change
    Update now
    Firefox Privacy Notice
    Usually takes 2–3 minutes =====================================================================


    How to safely update Firefox without messing up Ubuntu 16.04 ?
    [I prefer a stable version over the latest and greatest version.]

    How to try out Firefox versions without installing?

    Downloads for Linux 64-bit here... https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/download/thanks/
    [But, where are the instructions?]

    No Snap or Flatpak for me.

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  • From Paul@21:1/5 to Adam on Fri Oct 25 00:04:37 2024
    On Thu, 10/24/2024 2:59 PM, Adam wrote:

    I'm getting the following message...


    https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/welcome/19/ =====================================================================
    Firefox
    You’re on an older version of Firefox
    Update your Firefox browser

    Older versions of Firefox may start to have problems on January 14, 2025. A root certificate will expire, causing some preferences and other features to stop working. Update to get the best possible browsing experience. Read more about this change
    Update now
    Firefox Privacy Notice
    Usually takes 2–3 minutes =====================================================================


    How to safely update Firefox without messing up Ubuntu 16.04 ?
    [I prefer a stable version over the latest and greatest version.]

    How to try out Firefox versions without installing?

    Downloads for Linux 64-bit here... https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/download/thanks/
    [But, where are the instructions?]

    No Snap or Flatpak for me.

    inxi -F

    cat /etc/lsb-release

    Figure out where you are and
    why the version isn't as high as you would like.

    A guess is that 16.04.6 supported x86 and x64 and
    16.04.7 is only x64 version. That's one of the reasons
    I'm looking for INXI output so I can understand what
    options your CPU choice offer. For example, if I was
    running on my AthlonXP 3200, that's a 32-bit only CPU
    and might be missing some SSE or other, and some softwares
    have higher requirements than they used to have and might
    not run.

    I computed the support issue, by looking at this dir.
    You can see they only support the top version there,
    and 16.04.6 is 386 and 16.04.7 is amd64. Both portions
    would have shown 16.04.7 if support had continued for
    both bitnesses.

    https://mirror.csclub.uwaterloo.ca/ubuntu-releases/16.04.7/

    For the absolute best service, x64 (and multilib if you want),
    might help your situation. How do you easily go from i386 to
    amd64 ? No idea where to start. I don't think that transition
    case is automated. The most likely support case is bumping along
    support on a fixed bitness of OS.

    *******

    Then after you bump that along, there is this sort of suggestion,
    but this may be more intrusive than you would like. Again, I don't
    know the details. It could be that this is the only way to make
    it to ten years of full support.

    https://support.mozilla.org/bm/questions/1354145

    "Did some more research and discovered that Ubuntu offers Extended Security Maintenance for 16.04, free for personal use.

    Ubuntu Advantage for Infrastructure https://ubuntu.com/advantage

    I am installing now.
    "

    As for the notion of using a handcart to roll along the railroad
    track of life, you can do that, but you have to be good. There
    are Arch Wiki articles, Gentoo articles, Mozilla articles,
    on fiddling stuff.

    If you took this one:

    http://releases.mozilla.org/pub/firefox/releases/131.0.3/linux-i686/en-US/

    then that is a Release stream as far as I know, and it *might* reuse
    your current Profile folder (preventing it from going backwards later).

    If you took this one, this is Extended Support and a different stream
    than yours, so it should create a brand new profile folder. You could unpack the
    tarball and try running "firefox" from the bin dir or whatever.

    http://releases.mozilla.org/pub/firefox/releases/128.3.1esr/linux-i686/en-US/

    At some point, they may port to GTK4 and that could cause a dependency issue for you. GTK is apparently used for the window frame of Firefox.

    And there's an assumption there, that you have a browser that works
    good enough to get there. We had some WinXP users in such a decrepit state,
    we were looking at wget or curl to rescue themselves :-/ Then the damn curl site
    starts using https only, closing one more door. There could have been
    a few beached whales that day, people whose browsers were then shit outta luck. Never allow your maintenance level to dip that low :-) When you know it's busted and on fire and auguring in, that's not the time to go back to sleep.

    Visiting here with the current browser, might give you some idea
    just how broken a 19 is now. The scan isn't as good as it used to be,
    and that is likely because of the bandwidth that each client visit was causing. It can identify issues that can't be fixed with certs alone.

    https://www.ssllabs.com/ssltest/viewMyClient.html

    Paul

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  • From Marco Moock@21:1/5 to All on Fri Oct 25 17:49:36 2024
    On 24.10.2024 um 11:59 Uhr Adam wrote:

    How to safely update Firefox without messing up Ubuntu 16.04 ?

    This system is EoL since 2021. Upgrade to a current version or another
    OS.
    If you don't like snap, switch to Debian, Mint, Slackware, etc.

    --
    kind regards
    Marco

    Send spam to 1729763975muell@cartoonies.org

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