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On 12/8/24 11:59, pinnerite wrote:

It looks like the snd_hda_intel driver is not present on my machine and
So far I cannot find a way of installing it.

Should I try a different distro?

Well I prefer PCLinuxOS and it has the tools that
could be used to correct your problem, i.e. a cool gui
package manager and some repositories. In addition we have
the PCLinux Forum where Linux ninnies like me mingle with
packagers and coders to solve problems. Free registration
but will come with not frequent reminders to support
PCLinuxOS however you can. BBS-like fun here. <https://www.pclinuxos.com/forum/index.php>
On that page behind a button saying MAIN is the site where
you can download or Torrent an ISO of your choice.
We have KDE Plasma 5 now and Plasma 6 when it is ready for
our users, Mate, XFCE in the main line. And then we have
a bunch of other stuff with Trinity and various other
Desktop environments. We even have a Debian version
without systemd, a significant attack interface.

So Pinneritce thank you for the opportunity to
get my PCLinusOS licks in. Now come and try it out.

Bliss -the hobbler

bliss- Dell Precision 7730-PCLOS 2024.12L-inux 6.6.63-Plasma 5.27.11

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On 08/12/2024 19:59, pinnerite wrote:

It looks like the snd_hda_intel driver is not present on my machine and
So far I cannot find a way of installing it.

<https://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?p=2558875&hilit=snd_hda_intel#p2558875>

Should I try a different distro?

--
Jeff

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On Sun, 12/8/2024 2:59 PM, pinnerite wrote:

It looks like the snd_hda_intel driver is not present on my machine and
So far I cannot find a way of installing it.

Should I try a different distro?

You could tell us the motherboard make and model again.

The fine manual, doesn't always give the part number for each
mobo chip. The enthusiast site reviews, usually eyeball the chips
and read the numbers off some of them.

If you look in the lower left corner, and see a chip with a "crab"
symbol on it and it is a 48 pin quad flat pack, the number on the
top of that, like "ALC850" tells you what the audio is. But it's Intel
audio because the HDAudio high speed serial bus for it, is off the
Intel PCH.

On HDAudio, the front Left and Front Right have relatively standard
register definitions. This is why, on the Windows side, you could
use a "universal donor" driver, to get enough audio for system sounds.

But we'll know more when we get the make and model number of the mobo.

Sound over HDMI on the video card, can interfere at the "selector level",
and selecting "analog audio" or the like, can fix that. If there is
a "digital... " entry selected currently, that's your problem.
I've had that happen multiple times. It's second nature for the
NVidia sound to make off with my analog speakers.

Paul

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Bobbie Sellers wrote:

So Pinneritce thank you for the opportunity to get my PCLinusOS licks
in. Now come and try it out.

I agree w/ checking out a wide variety of distro/s and DE/WMs and I also
agree that PCLOS is a fine one. It may not be as high on the DW page
hit list as others, but it is a very worthwhile project. Their DW
description supports the idea of media support:

PCLinuxOS is a user-friendly Linux distribution with out-of-the-box
support for many popular graphics and sound cards, as well as other peripheral devices.

Unlike most other distro/s which are based on an upstream parent and its repo/s, PCLOS is 'independent, also a rolling release. Historically,
its 'father' dev, Bill Texstar Reynolds 'came from' Mandriva/Mandrake influence, but he forked from that over 20 y ago. It is also 'different'
in that the distro is based on rpm packaging but likes the apt
management tools like for deb.

Another fun thing about PCLOS is the variety of the DE situation, as
there are community releases for others besides the main KDE/XFCE/Mate; unfortunately there isn't a 'convenient' single link for those choices,
but there are LXQt & LXDE, Trinity (incl both mini & BigDaddy), and
OpenBox that I know of. That makes for lean PCLOS if one is inclined.

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Mike Easter

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On 08/12/2024 22:05, Mike Easter wrote:

Bobbie Sellers wrote:

So Pinneritce thank you for the opportunity to get my PCLinusOS licks
in. Now come and try it out.

I agree w/ checking out a wide variety of distro/s and DE/WMs and I also agree that PCLOS is a fine one.  It may not be as high on the DW page
hit list as others, but it is a very worthwhile project.  Their DW description supports the idea of media support:

PCLinuxOS is a user-friendly Linux distribution with out-of-the-box
support for many popular graphics and sound cards, as well as other
peripheral devices.

Unlike most other distro/s which are based on an upstream parent and its repo/s, PCLOS is 'independent, also a rolling release.  Historically,
its 'father' dev, Bill Texstar Reynolds 'came from' Mandriva/Mandrake influence, but he forked from that over 20 y ago. It is also 'different'
in that the distro is based on rpm packaging but likes the apt
management tools like for deb.

Another fun thing about PCLOS is the variety of the DE situation, as
there are community releases for others besides the main KDE/XFCE/Mate; unfortunately there isn't a 'convenient' single link for those choices,
but there are LXQt & LXDE, Trinity (incl both mini & BigDaddy), and
OpenBox that I know of.  That makes for lean PCLOS if one is inclined.

I'm downloading PCLOS xfce right now. I'll use balenaEtcher to load the software onto a memory stick. How do I make it operate 'live' on my Dell
laptop with the sound problem?

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On 12/29/24 14:28, David wrote:

On 08/12/2024 22:05, Mike Easter wrote:

Bobbie Sellers wrote:

So Pinneritce thank you for the opportunity to get my PCLinusOS licks
in. Now come and try it out.

I agree w/ checking out a wide variety of distro/s and DE/WMs and I also
agree that PCLOS is a fine one.  It may not be as high on the DW page
hit list as others, but it is a very worthwhile project.  Their DW
description supports the idea of media support:

PCLinuxOS is a user-friendly Linux distribution with out-of-the-box
support for many popular graphics and sound cards, as well as other
peripheral devices.

Unlike most other distro/s which are based on an upstream parent and
its repo/s, PCLOS is 'independent, also a rolling release.
Historically, its 'father' dev, Bill Texstar Reynolds 'came from'
Mandriva/Mandrake influence, but he forked from that over 20 y ago. It
is also 'different' in that the distro is based on rpm packaging but
likes the apt management tools like for deb.

Another fun thing about PCLOS is the variety of the DE situation, as
there are community releases for others besides the main KDE/XFCE/
Mate; unfortunately there isn't a 'convenient' single link for those
choices, but there are LXQt & LXDE, Trinity (incl both mini &
BigDaddy), and OpenBox that I know of.  That makes for lean PCLOS if
one is inclined.

I'm downloading PCLOS xfce right now. I'll use balenaEtcher to load the software onto a memory stick. How do I make it operate 'live' on my Dell laptop with the sound problem?

Well first you turn off the Secure Boot in the BIOS.
Then when booting your Dell and the Circle logo shows
up, hit F12 to go into the Boot Menu. Chose your boot media
there and it should boot right up.
If you have problems with PCLinuxOS you can bring them
up in the PCLinuxOS Forum at:<https://www.pclinuxos.com/forum/index.php>

You may have to register to write your question(s) but you
will have access to all the categories in Home which you will
see on the page.

Good luck to you and others trying out new distros in
the New Year.

bliss- Dell Precision 7730- PCLOS 2024.12- Linux 6.6.67- Plasma 5.27.11

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On Sun, 12/29/2024 5:28 PM, David wrote:

I'm downloading PCLOS xfce right now. I'll use balenaEtcher to load the software onto a memory stick. How do I make it operate 'live' on my Dell laptop with the sound problem?

Doing this much, was the hard part.

Why wouldn't it work ?

*******

You need to know how to do popup boot or how to do boot selection.
It's not nearly as easy on a Dell.

My Dell is rather unique in the room, in that if you plug in two
USB boot sticks, there is no way to select one of two. To have
my Dell boot a USB stick, there can only be one USB stick plugged in.
All the other computers in the room, you just cursor down to the
USB stick you want, out of N sticks.

The Dell has a quirky BIOS, which means there are a number of tiny issues.

*******

This means that, plugging the stick into some other brand of computer,
the experience could be a lot more pleasant. I find I have to spend
a lot more time with Dell people, using my fevered imagination to
guess at what curve ball Dell has thrown this time. Like various
beverages, Dell is an acquired taste. Some people get used to the
Dell abuse (unnecessary edits to the BIOS that Dell has you make),
other just leave their Dell parked in the corner.

I took my Dell out of RAID Ready mode, because it was driving me nuts.
What i didn't think about though, is if the BIOS CMOS battery
dies on me, I have no records of what settings have to be put back :-)
If the CMOS battery is changed, I'm going to have to do part of whatever
I did, over again.

Bring back a symptoms description, if it doesn't work. some of the Dell
sound, is standard stuff, but they also have a tiny amplifier board
and a piezo in mine, and sound has only come out of that a couple times.

You can use the

inxi -F

command and get a dump of what hardware is in the box. That is
easier than some other ways of listing the hardware.

On some of my hardware here, the sound is put on the HDMI cable, and
since none of my display devices have speakers, I would never hear a sound
sent there by accident. You have to review the output selection,
to ensure a real speaker is going to get the sound. I have to change
something from "HDMI sound" to "Analog speaker sound". Even Windows
has a little dialog for changing stuff like that.

Paul

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David wrote:

I'm downloading PCLOS xfce right now. I'll use balenaEtcher to load the software onto a memory stick. How do I make it operate 'live' on my Dell laptop with the sound problem?

You said earlier that you were able to get LM 22 to boot from the USB
live; if that required pressing a function key, you should do that the
same way; then PCLOS gives you an option called live CD.

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On 30/12/2024 02:04, Mike Easter wrote:

David wrote:

I'm downloading PCLOS xfce right now. I'll use balenaEtcher to load
the software onto a memory stick. How do I make it operate 'live' on
my Dell
laptop with the sound problem?

You said earlier that you were able to get LM 22 to boot from the USB
live; if that required pressing a function key, you should do that the
same way; then PCLOS gives you an option called live CD.

Thanks, Mike.

I got there - but it didn't actually 'work'! :-(

Abandoned trying and am back with Mint 22.

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David

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On 30/12/2024 01:02, Paul wrote:

On Sun, 12/29/2024 5:28 PM, David wrote:

I'm downloading PCLOS xfce right now. I'll use balenaEtcher to load the
software onto a memory stick. How do I make it operate 'live' on my Dell
laptop with the sound problem?

Doing this much, was the hard part.

Why wouldn't it work ?

*******

You need to know how to do popup boot or how to do boot selection.
It's not nearly as easy on a Dell.

My Dell is rather unique in the room, in that if you plug in two
USB boot sticks, there is no way to select one of two. To have
my Dell boot a USB stick, there can only be one USB stick plugged in.
All the other computers in the room, you just cursor down to the
USB stick you want, out of N sticks.

The Dell has a quirky BIOS, which means there are a number of tiny issues.

*******

This means that, plugging the stick into some other brand of computer,
the experience could be a lot more pleasant. I find I have to spend
a lot more time with Dell people, using my fevered imagination to
guess at what curve ball Dell has thrown this time. Like various
beverages, Dell is an acquired taste. Some people get used to the
Dell abuse (unnecessary edits to the BIOS that Dell has you make),
other just leave their Dell parked in the corner.

I took my Dell out of RAID Ready mode, because it was driving me nuts.
What i didn't think about though, is if the BIOS CMOS battery
dies on me, I have no records of what settings have to be put back :-)
If the CMOS battery is changed, I'm going to have to do part of whatever
I did, over again.

Bring back a symptoms description, if it doesn't work. some of the Dell sound, is standard stuff, but they also have a tiny amplifier board
and a piezo in mine, and sound has only come out of that a couple times.

You can use the

inxi -F

command and get a dump of what hardware is in the box. That is
easier than some other ways of listing the hardware.

On some of my hardware here, the sound is put on the HDMI cable, and
since none of my display devices have speakers, I would never hear a sound sent there by accident. You have to review the output selection,
to ensure a real speaker is going to get the sound. I have to change something from "HDMI sound" to "Analog speaker sound". Even Windows
has a little dialog for changing stuff like that.

Thanks for your input, Paul.

Is THIS what you were after?

System:
Kernel: 6.8.0-38-generic arch: x86_64 bits: 64 compiler: gcc v: 13.2.0
Desktop: Cinnamon v: 6.2.7 tk: GTK v: 3.24.41 wm: Muffin dm: LightDM
Distro: Linux Mint 22 Wilma base: Ubuntu 24.04 noble
Machine:
Type: Laptop System: Dell product: Inspiron 13-5368 v: N/A serial: <superuser required> Chassis:
type: 9 serial: <superuser required>
Mobo: Dell model: 0WVDG2 v: A00 serial: <superuser required> part-nu:
073B UEFI-[Legacy]: Dell
v: 1.19.0 date: 12/12/2018
Battery:
ID-1: BAT0 charge: 18.4 Wh (62.8%) condition: 29.3/42.0 Wh (69.8%)
volts: 11.8 min: 11.4
model: Samsung SDI DELL FC92N65 serial: <filter> status: discharging
CPU:
Info: dual core model: Intel Core i3-6100U bits: 64 type: MT MCP
arch: Skylake rev: 3 cache:
L1: 128 KiB L2: 512 KiB L3: 3 MiB
Speed (MHz): avg: 800 min/max: 400/2300 cores: 1: 800 2: 800 3: 800
4: 800 bogomips: 18399
Flags: avx avx2 ht lm nx pae sse sse2 sse3 sse4_1 sse4_2 ssse3 vmx
Graphics:
Device-1: Intel Skylake GT2 [HD Graphics 520] vendor: Dell driver:
i915 v: kernel arch: Gen-9
ports: active: eDP-1 empty: HDMI-A-1 bus-ID: 00:02.0 chip-ID: 8086:1916
Device-2: Sunplus Innovation Integrated Webcam driver: uvcvideo type:
USB rev: 2.0
speed: 480 Mb/s lanes: 1 bus-ID: 1-5:3 chip-ID: 1bcf:2c01
Display: x11 server: X.Org v: 21.1.11 with: Xwayland v: 23.2.6
driver: X: loaded: modesetting
unloaded: fbdev,vesa dri: iris gpu: i915 display-ID: :0 screens: 1
Screen-1: 0 s-res: 1920x1080 s-dpi: 96
Monitor-1: eDP-1 model: AU Optronics 0x102d res: 1920x1080 dpi: 166
diag: 336mm (13.2")
API: EGL v: 1.5 platforms: device: 0 drv: iris device: 1 drv: swrast
gbm: drv: iris
surfaceless: drv: iris x11: drv: iris inactive: wayland
API: OpenGL v: 4.6 compat-v: 4.5 vendor: intel mesa v:
24.0.9-0ubuntu0.1 glx-v: 1.4
direct-render: yes renderer: Mesa Intel HD Graphics 520 (SKL GT2) device-ID: 8086:1916
Audio:
Device-1: Intel Sunrise Point-LP HD Audio vendor: Dell driver:
snd_hda_intel v: kernel
bus-ID: 00:1f.3 chip-ID: 8086:9d70
API: ALSA v: k6.8.0-38-generic status: kernel-api
Server-1: PipeWire v: 1.0.5 status: active with: 1: pipewire-pulse
status: active
2: wireplumber status: active 3: pipewire-alsa type: plugin
Network:
Device-1: Intel Wireless 3165 driver: iwlwifi v: kernel pcie: speed:
2.5 GT/s lanes: 1
bus-ID: 01:00.0 chip-ID: 8086:3165
IF: wlp1s0 state: up mac: <filter>
Bluetooth:
Device-1: Intel Bluetooth wireless interface driver: btusb v: 0.8
type: USB rev: 2.0
speed: 12 Mb/s lanes: 1 bus-ID: 1-6:4 chip-ID: 8087:0a2a
Report: hciconfig ID: hci0 rfk-id: 0 state: up address: <filter>
bt-v: 4.2 lmp-v: 8 sub-v: 1000
Drives:
Local Storage: total: 473.1 GiB used: 1.7 MiB (0.0%)
ID-1: /dev/sda vendor: Western Digital model: WD5000LPCX-75VHAT0
size: 465.76 GiB
speed: 6.0 Gb/s serial: <filter>
ID-2: /dev/sdb vendor: Lexar model: JumpDrive size: 7.34 GiB type:
USB rev: 2.0 spd: 480 Mb/s
lanes: 1 serial: <filter>
Partition:
ID-1: / size: 1.79 GiB used: 277.4 MiB (15.2%) fs: overlay source:
ERR-102
ID-2: /var/log size: 4.47 GiB used: 1.7 MiB (0.0%) fs: ext4 dev:
/dev/sdb3
Swap:
Alert: No swap data was found.
Sensors:
System Temperatures: cpu: 43.0 C pch: 38.5 C mobo: 38.0 C sodimm:
SODIMM C
Fan Speeds (rpm): cpu: 0
Repos:
Packages: pm: dpkg pkgs: 1994
Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list
1: deb cdrom:[Linux Mint 22 _Wilma_ - Release amd64 20240721]/
noble contrib main
Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/official-package-repositories.list
1: deb http: //packages.linuxmint.com wilma main upstream import
backport
2: deb http: //archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu noble main restricted
universe multiverse
3: deb http: //archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu noble-updates main
restricted universe multiverse
4: deb http: //archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu noble-backports main
restricted universe multiverse
5: deb http: //security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ noble-security main
restricted universe multiverse
Info:
Memory: total: 4 GiB note: est. available: 3.57 GiB used: 1.73 GiB
(48.5%)
Processes: 232 Power: uptime: 1h 52m wakeups: 0 Init: systemd v: 255
target: graphical (5)
default: graphical
Compilers: gcc: 13.2.0 Client: Unknown python3.12 client inxi: 3.3.34

=

HTH

--
David

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On Mon, 12/30/2024 8:36 AM, David wrote:

Thanks for your input, Paul.

Is THIS what you were after?

System:
  Kernel: 6.8.0-38-generic arch: x86_64 bits: 64 compiler: gcc v: 13.2.0
  Desktop: Cinnamon v: 6.2.7 tk: GTK v: 3.24.41 wm: Muffin dm: LightDM     Distro: Linux Mint 22 Wilma base: Ubuntu 24.04 noble
Machine:
  Type: Laptop System: Dell product: Inspiron 13-5368 v: N/A serial: <superuser required> Chassis:
    type: 9 serial: <superuser required>
  Mobo: Dell model: 0WVDG2 v: A00 serial: <superuser required> part-nu: 073B UEFI-[Legacy]: Dell
    v: 1.19.0 date: 12/12/2018
Battery:
  ID-1: BAT0 charge: 18.4 Wh (62.8%) condition: 29.3/42.0 Wh (69.8%) volts: 11.8 min: 11.4
    model: Samsung SDI DELL FC92N65 serial: <filter> status: discharging CPU:
  Info: dual core model: Intel Core i3-6100U bits: 64 type: MT MCP arch: Skylake rev: 3 cache:
    L1: 128 KiB L2: 512 KiB L3: 3 MiB
  Speed (MHz): avg: 800 min/max: 400/2300 cores: 1: 800 2: 800 3: 800 4: 800 bogomips: 18399
  Flags: avx avx2 ht lm nx pae sse sse2 sse3 sse4_1 sse4_2 ssse3 vmx Graphics:
  Device-1: Intel Skylake GT2 [HD Graphics 520] vendor: Dell driver: i915 v: kernel arch: Gen-9
    ports: active: eDP-1 empty: HDMI-A-1 bus-ID: 00:02.0 chip-ID: 8086:1916
  Device-2: Sunplus Innovation Integrated Webcam driver: uvcvideo type: USB rev: 2.0
    speed: 480 Mb/s lanes: 1 bus-ID: 1-5:3 chip-ID: 1bcf:2c01
  Display: x11 server: X.Org v: 21.1.11 with: Xwayland v: 23.2.6 driver: X: loaded: modesetting
    unloaded: fbdev,vesa dri: iris gpu: i915 display-ID: :0 screens: 1
  Screen-1: 0 s-res: 1920x1080 s-dpi: 96
  Monitor-1: eDP-1 model: AU Optronics 0x102d res: 1920x1080 dpi: 166 diag: 336mm (13.2")
  API: EGL v: 1.5 platforms: device: 0 drv: iris device: 1 drv: swrast gbm: drv: iris
    surfaceless: drv: iris x11: drv: iris inactive: wayland
  API: OpenGL v: 4.6 compat-v: 4.5 vendor: intel mesa v: 24.0.9-0ubuntu0.1 glx-v: 1.4
    direct-render: yes renderer: Mesa Intel HD Graphics 520 (SKL GT2) device-ID: 8086:1916
Audio:
  Device-1: Intel Sunrise Point-LP HD Audio vendor: Dell driver: snd_hda_intel v: kernel
    bus-ID: 00:1f.3 chip-ID: 8086:9d70
  API: ALSA v: k6.8.0-38-generic status: kernel-api
  Server-1: PipeWire v: 1.0.5 status: active with: 1: pipewire-pulse status: active
    2: wireplumber status: active 3: pipewire-alsa type: plugin
Network:
  Device-1: Intel Wireless 3165 driver: iwlwifi v: kernel pcie: speed: 2.5 GT/s lanes: 1
    bus-ID: 01:00.0 chip-ID: 8086:3165
  IF: wlp1s0 state: up mac: <filter>
Bluetooth:
  Device-1: Intel Bluetooth wireless interface driver: btusb v: 0.8 type: USB rev: 2.0
    speed: 12 Mb/s lanes: 1 bus-ID: 1-6:4 chip-ID: 8087:0a2a
  Report: hciconfig ID: hci0 rfk-id: 0 state: up address: <filter> bt-v: 4.2 lmp-v: 8 sub-v: 1000
Drives:
  Local Storage: total: 473.1 GiB used: 1.7 MiB (0.0%)
  ID-1: /dev/sda vendor: Western Digital model: WD5000LPCX-75VHAT0 size: 465.76 GiB
    speed: 6.0 Gb/s serial: <filter>
  ID-2: /dev/sdb vendor: Lexar model: JumpDrive size: 7.34 GiB type: USB rev: 2.0 spd: 480 Mb/s
    lanes: 1 serial: <filter>
Partition:
  ID-1: / size: 1.79 GiB used: 277.4 MiB (15.2%) fs: overlay source: ERR-102   ID-2: /var/log size: 4.47 GiB used: 1.7 MiB (0.0%) fs: ext4 dev: /dev/sdb3 Swap:
  Alert: No swap data was found.
Sensors:
  System Temperatures: cpu: 43.0 C pch: 38.5 C mobo: 38.0 C sodimm: SODIMM C   Fan Speeds (rpm): cpu: 0
Repos:
  Packages: pm: dpkg pkgs: 1994
  Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list
    1: deb cdrom:[Linux Mint 22 _Wilma_ - Release amd64 20240721]/ noble contrib main
  Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/official-package-repositories.list
    1: deb http: //packages.linuxmint.com wilma main upstream import backport
    2: deb http: //archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu noble main restricted universe multiverse
    3: deb http: //archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu noble-updates main restricted universe multiverse
    4: deb http: //archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu noble-backports main restricted universe multiverse
    5: deb http: //security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ noble-security main restricted universe multiverse
Info:
  Memory: total: 4 GiB note: est. available: 3.57 GiB used: 1.73 GiB (48.5%)   Processes: 232 Power: uptime: 1h 52m wakeups: 0 Init: systemd v: 255 target: graphical (5)
    default: graphical
  Compilers: gcc: 13.2.0 Client: Unknown python3.12 client inxi: 3.3.34

Yes. Your audio looks pretty ordinary (as HDAudio hardware,
many devices look like that). While your graphics subsystem lists
HDMI, it does not appear your hardware is from the era where sound
went over HDMI (the default transport when that is implemented
is LPCM 7.1 channel, as there is no licensing fee for unencoded audio
such as that standard).

It's possible one of your Apple products has audio over HDMI for example.
It's a more common feature on modern equipment, and the only reason
for mentioning the topic, is it tends to foul up the "output selection"
and do the wrong thing. You want the audio selection dialog to
say "Analog Stereo" or "Analog Line Out" and hot have the word "HDMI"
or "Digital" in it. While some people have elaborate listening rooms,
where signal-on-HDMI is appropriate, it is more common for people
to have cheap analog audio for computer speakers. The audio on this
machine cost $25 (two speakers from the recycler store), and the second computer has my home-made amp for computer speakers (about two watts
into some book shelf speakers).

I have Fedora on the cooker right now, and to fit it, I blew away
an LM22 that was on that partition :-/ So I can't easily take a picture
of any of this stuff, until I can find my LM22 which is on some
disk around here. I checked the Fedora audio, and as usual, the
selector isn't "Analog Stereo", it is "Digital SPDIF" as my audio panel
on the machine has a red glowing connector, and that's TOSLink output.
And so the software cleverly doesn't select the correct output, it
again has opted for something I don't have (an AV receiver with TOSLink).

You have to find that selector, which is going to be close to the volume
level icon in the interface. Somewhere around there, will be a setup dialog with the controls to select a different "sink" for the output.

The same goes when you're trying to do a Zoom session, and select an input
for the audio. Some microphones are line level and you plug them into
LineIn. Some are low level and those plug into MicIn. And you have to
check the recording selector, to make sure you have the correct channel
being input to the HDAudio input side.

You can see the poster here, he got a "Dummy Output" for Christmas,
which is like a lump of coal in your stocking. At least there is a picture
of the dlalog you want there.

https://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?t=379262

This is more normal on a modern computer, the "pollution" of digital
items that aren't likely to be connected to anything that actually
uses the output. And the person in this thread, is having trouble
with the OS "remembering" the setting for the next time. Like my Fedora install, this one is using the red-LED TOSLink output for SPDIF audio,
instead of the Analog Output (suited to analog computer speakers, which
is all I've got for speakers).

https://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?t=427125

The order of discovery of the items at boot time, can affect
whether the selector can detect them in time to conclude
"the default is available". The person in that thread, is using
a USB audio, and that will be detected at a different time point
than some of the other audios.

Paul

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On 30/12/2024 16:46, Paul wrote:

On Mon, 12/30/2024 8:36 AM, David wrote:

Thanks for your input, Paul.

Is THIS what you were after?

System:
  Kernel: 6.8.0-38-generic arch: x86_64 bits: 64 compiler: gcc v: 13.2.0 >>   Desktop: Cinnamon v: 6.2.7 tk: GTK v: 3.24.41 wm: Muffin dm: LightDM
    Distro: Linux Mint 22 Wilma base: Ubuntu 24.04 noble
Machine:
  Type: Laptop System: Dell product: Inspiron 13-5368 v: N/A serial: <superuser required> Chassis:
    type: 9 serial: <superuser required>
  Mobo: Dell model: 0WVDG2 v: A00 serial: <superuser required> part-nu: 073B UEFI-[Legacy]: Dell
    v: 1.19.0 date: 12/12/2018
Battery:
  ID-1: BAT0 charge: 18.4 Wh (62.8%) condition: 29.3/42.0 Wh (69.8%) volts: 11.8 min: 11.4
    model: Samsung SDI DELL FC92N65 serial: <filter> status: discharging >> CPU:
  Info: dual core model: Intel Core i3-6100U bits: 64 type: MT MCP arch: Skylake rev: 3 cache:
    L1: 128 KiB L2: 512 KiB L3: 3 MiB
  Speed (MHz): avg: 800 min/max: 400/2300 cores: 1: 800 2: 800 3: 800 4: 800 bogomips: 18399
  Flags: avx avx2 ht lm nx pae sse sse2 sse3 sse4_1 sse4_2 ssse3 vmx
Graphics:
  Device-1: Intel Skylake GT2 [HD Graphics 520] vendor: Dell driver: i915 v: kernel arch: Gen-9
    ports: active: eDP-1 empty: HDMI-A-1 bus-ID: 00:02.0 chip-ID: 8086:1916
  Device-2: Sunplus Innovation Integrated Webcam driver: uvcvideo type: USB rev: 2.0
    speed: 480 Mb/s lanes: 1 bus-ID: 1-5:3 chip-ID: 1bcf:2c01
  Display: x11 server: X.Org v: 21.1.11 with: Xwayland v: 23.2.6 driver: X: loaded: modesetting
    unloaded: fbdev,vesa dri: iris gpu: i915 display-ID: :0 screens: 1 >>   Screen-1: 0 s-res: 1920x1080 s-dpi: 96
  Monitor-1: eDP-1 model: AU Optronics 0x102d res: 1920x1080 dpi: 166 diag: 336mm (13.2")
  API: EGL v: 1.5 platforms: device: 0 drv: iris device: 1 drv: swrast gbm: drv: iris
    surfaceless: drv: iris x11: drv: iris inactive: wayland
  API: OpenGL v: 4.6 compat-v: 4.5 vendor: intel mesa v: 24.0.9-0ubuntu0.1 glx-v: 1.4
    direct-render: yes renderer: Mesa Intel HD Graphics 520 (SKL GT2) device-ID: 8086:1916
Audio:
  Device-1: Intel Sunrise Point-LP HD Audio vendor: Dell driver: snd_hda_intel v: kernel
    bus-ID: 00:1f.3 chip-ID: 8086:9d70
  API: ALSA v: k6.8.0-38-generic status: kernel-api
  Server-1: PipeWire v: 1.0.5 status: active with: 1: pipewire-pulse status: active
    2: wireplumber status: active 3: pipewire-alsa type: plugin
Network:
  Device-1: Intel Wireless 3165 driver: iwlwifi v: kernel pcie: speed: 2.5 GT/s lanes: 1
    bus-ID: 01:00.0 chip-ID: 8086:3165
  IF: wlp1s0 state: up mac: <filter>
Bluetooth:
  Device-1: Intel Bluetooth wireless interface driver: btusb v: 0.8 type: USB rev: 2.0
    speed: 12 Mb/s lanes: 1 bus-ID: 1-6:4 chip-ID: 8087:0a2a
  Report: hciconfig ID: hci0 rfk-id: 0 state: up address: <filter> bt-v: 4.2 lmp-v: 8 sub-v: 1000
Drives:
  Local Storage: total: 473.1 GiB used: 1.7 MiB (0.0%)
  ID-1: /dev/sda vendor: Western Digital model: WD5000LPCX-75VHAT0 size: 465.76 GiB
    speed: 6.0 Gb/s serial: <filter>
  ID-2: /dev/sdb vendor: Lexar model: JumpDrive size: 7.34 GiB type: USB rev: 2.0 spd: 480 Mb/s
    lanes: 1 serial: <filter>
Partition:
  ID-1: / size: 1.79 GiB used: 277.4 MiB (15.2%) fs: overlay source: ERR-102
  ID-2: /var/log size: 4.47 GiB used: 1.7 MiB (0.0%) fs: ext4 dev: /dev/sdb3
Swap:
  Alert: No swap data was found.
Sensors:
  System Temperatures: cpu: 43.0 C pch: 38.5 C mobo: 38.0 C sodimm: SODIMM C
  Fan Speeds (rpm): cpu: 0
Repos:
  Packages: pm: dpkg pkgs: 1994
  Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list
    1: deb cdrom:[Linux Mint 22 _Wilma_ - Release amd64 20240721]/ noble contrib main
  Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/official-package-repositories.list
    1: deb http: //packages.linuxmint.com wilma main upstream import backport
    2: deb http: //archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu noble main restricted universe multiverse
    3: deb http: //archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu noble-updates main restricted universe multiverse
    4: deb http: //archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu noble-backports main restricted universe multiverse
    5: deb http: //security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ noble-security main restricted universe multiverse
Info:
  Memory: total: 4 GiB note: est. available: 3.57 GiB used: 1.73 GiB (48.5%)
  Processes: 232 Power: uptime: 1h 52m wakeups: 0 Init: systemd v: 255 target: graphical (5)
    default: graphical
  Compilers: gcc: 13.2.0 Client: Unknown python3.12 client inxi: 3.3.34

Yes. Your audio looks pretty ordinary (as HDAudio hardware,
many devices look like that). While your graphics subsystem lists
HDMI, it does not appear your hardware is from the era where sound
went over HDMI (the default transport when that is implemented
is LPCM 7.1 channel, as there is no licensing fee for unencoded audio
such as that standard).

It's possible one of your Apple products has audio over HDMI for example. It's a more common feature on modern equipment, and the only reason
for mentioning the topic, is it tends to foul up the "output selection"
and do the wrong thing. You want the audio selection dialog to
say "Analog Stereo" or "Analog Line Out" and hot have the word "HDMI"
or "Digital" in it. While some people have elaborate listening rooms,
where signal-on-HDMI is appropriate, it is more common for people
to have cheap analog audio for computer speakers. The audio on this
machine cost $25 (two speakers from the recycler store), and the second computer has my home-made amp for computer speakers (about two watts
into some book shelf speakers).

I have Fedora on the cooker right now, and to fit it, I blew away
an LM22 that was on that partition :-/ So I can't easily take a picture
of any of this stuff, until I can find my LM22 which is on some
disk around here. I checked the Fedora audio, and as usual, the
selector isn't "Analog Stereo", it is "Digital SPDIF" as my audio panel
on the machine has a red glowing connector, and that's TOSLink output.
And so the software cleverly doesn't select the correct output, it
again has opted for something I don't have (an AV receiver with TOSLink).

You have to find that selector, which is going to be close to the volume level icon in the interface. Somewhere around there, will be a setup dialog with the controls to select a different "sink" for the output.

The same goes when you're trying to do a Zoom session, and select an input for the audio. Some microphones are line level and you plug them into
LineIn. Some are low level and those plug into MicIn. And you have to
check the recording selector, to make sure you have the correct channel
being input to the HDAudio input side.

You can see the poster here, he got a "Dummy Output" for Christmas,
which is like a lump of coal in your stocking. At least there is a picture
of the dlalog you want there.

https://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?t=379262

This is more normal on a modern computer, the "pollution" of digital
items that aren't likely to be connected to anything that actually
uses the output. And the person in this thread, is having trouble
with the OS "remembering" the setting for the next time. Like my Fedora install, this one is using the red-LED TOSLink output for SPDIF audio, instead of the Analog Output (suited to analog computer speakers, which
is all I've got for speakers).

https://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?t=427125

The order of discovery of the items at boot time, can affect
whether the selector can detect them in time to conclude
"the default is available". The person in that thread, is using
a USB audio, and that will be detected at a different time point
than some of the other audios.

Thanks for chatting, Paul.

Here's the thread which *I* started on that forum:-

https://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?p=2567954#p2567954

I fear I need more hand-holding as I get older! <sigh>

I'm currently wiping the hard drive again on the Dell laptop and will
look again tomorrow.

--
David
My Apple iMac doesn't pose such problems for me! ;-)

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Paul wrote:

While your graphics subsystem lists
HDMI, it does not appear your hardware is from the era where sound
went over HDMI (the default transport when that is implemented
is LPCM 7.1 channel, as there is no licensing fee for unencoded audio
such as that standard).

I'm reading an Inspiron 13 5000 series 2in1 manual (from Sears of all
things) which says that its HDMI port can do audio

HDMI port
Connect a TV or another HDMI-in enabled device. Provides video and
audio output.

http://i.sears.com/s/d/pdf/mp-tc/10000001/prod_ec_2048694702

So his accessing his LM 22 audio settings to be sure that somehow a
wrong device mode might have been auto-selected hasn't happened is
necessary. Apparently he is currently working on checking out a W10
install.

--
Mike Easter

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On Mon, 12/30/2024 5:35 PM, David wrote:

Thanks for chatting, Paul.

Here's the thread which *I* started on that forum:-

https://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?p=2567954#p2567954

I fear I need more hand-holding as I get older! <sigh>

I'm currently wiping the hard drive again on the Dell laptop and will look again tomorrow.

I tried a test of LM22 on the old E8400 CPU with HD6450 video card and 16GB RAM,
and this is what you see when testing the analog sound. I was using simplescreenrecorder to record the screen, which is why the CPU usage
is so high. The sound is Intel HDAudio and some small CODEC for the analog.

[Picture]

https://i.postimg.cc/0NnSjVnX/Optiplex-LM22-sound-test.gif

The sound works and comes out of the speakers.

I find LM 21.3 is better for old computers,
and LM 22 just isn't quite the same for the job.

The LM21.3 uses the 5.15 kernel, while LM22 uses 6.x.y kernels.

Paul

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On 31/12/2024 00:35, Mike Easter wrote:

Apparently he is currently working on checking out a W10 install.

Sadly, that didn't work! balenaEtcher warned me not to use it for
Windows (but I used it anyway - 'cause it was late and I was tired!)

I currently have a Live Linux MX up-and-running on the Dell laptop.

It is producing exactly the same grandfather-clock ticking sound as I
got using Mint!!!

--
David

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On 31/12/2024 09:16, Paul wrote:

On Mon, 12/30/2024 5:35 PM, David wrote:

Thanks for chatting, Paul.

Here's the thread which *I* started on that forum:-

https://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?p=2567954#p2567954

I fear I need more hand-holding as I get older! <sigh>

I'm currently wiping the hard drive again on the Dell laptop and will look again tomorrow.

I tried a test of LM22 on the old E8400 CPU with HD6450 video card and 16GB RAM,
and this is what you see when testing the analog sound. I was using simplescreenrecorder to record the screen, which is why the CPU usage
is so high. The sound is Intel HDAudio and some small CODEC for the analog.

[Picture]

https://i.postimg.cc/0NnSjVnX/Optiplex-LM22-sound-test.gif

The sound works and comes out of the speakers.

I find LM 21.3 is better for old computers,
and LM 22 just isn't quite the same for the job.

The LM21.3 uses the 5.15 kernel, while LM22 uses 6.x.y kernels.

Thanks, Paul.

I've got the same grandfather clock ticking sounds using MX Linux as I
had with Mint, so the only thing I can think of is that perhaps flashing
the BIOS will be necessary to fix the sound failure.

I've read about what to do - but not yet tried to do it!

https://www.dell.com/support/kbdoc/en-uk/000123870/how-to-flash-the-bios-on-a-dell-desktop-or-notebook-with-a-usb-thumb-drive

--
David

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On Tue, 12/31/2024 6:34 AM, David wrote:

On 31/12/2024 00:35, Mike Easter wrote:

Apparently he is currently working on checking out a W10 install.

Sadly, that didn't work!  balenaEtcher warned me not to use it for Windows (but I used it anyway - 'cause it was late and I was tired!)

I currently have a Live Linux MX up-and-running on the Dell laptop.

It is producing exactly the same grandfather-clock ticking sound as I got using Mint!!!

rebranded Realtek ALC 3246 (ALC256)

Have a look at this. It's got some technical content in it.
Apparently something is using firmware.

https://askubuntu.com/questions/1372326/maybe-a-solution-of-sound-problem-on-acer-swift-3-realtek-alc256

And that could be why the chip is rebranded.
By using firmware, the device features can be changed.

Paul

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BDB wrote:

Mike Easter wrote:

Apparently he is currently working on checking out a W10 install.

Sadly, that didn't work! balenaEtcher warned me not to use it for
Windows (but I used it anyway - 'cause it was late and I was tired!)

Balena's site explains the Win problem and provides workarounds:

Etcher copies images to drives byte by byte, without doing any
transformation to the final device, which means images that require
special treatment to be made bootable, like Windows images, will not
work out of the box.

Etcher also mentions other tools which include Rufus described in my
other msg.

But, if you are trying to do this on a Mac, you can't use rufus.




--
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On Tue, 12/31/2024 2:35 PM, Mike Easter wrote:

BDB wrote:

Mike Easter wrote:

Apparently he is currently working on checking out a W10 install.

Sadly, that didn't work!  balenaEtcher warned me not to use it for Windows (but I used it anyway - 'cause it was late and I was tired!)

Balena's site explains the Win problem and provides workarounds:

Etcher copies images to drives byte by byte, without doing any
transformation to the final device, which means images that require
special treatment to be made bootable, like Windows images, will not
work out of the box.

Etcher also mentions other tools which include Rufus described in my other msg.

But, if you are trying to do this on a Mac, you can't use rufus.

Some days, you need to be a level 39 wizard, stand on the top of a mountain, and throw lightning bolts :-) Jeez. What a mess of answers.

https://askubuntu.com/questions/289559/how-can-i-create-a-windows-bootable-usb-stick-using-ubuntu

I tried to "dd" one, and that didn't work.

Either burn to a DVD (inconvenient or not possible!) or use Ventoy.

A Win10 x86 (32-bit) DVD is guaranteed to fit on a single-layer DVD,
but the 64-bit ones are most likely to need a dual-layer blank
(which not a lot of people stock as a standard item). I got a short
stack of those, the last time I was at the computer store, and
their entire stock of DVDs, fits under the cash register stand.
Not many left...

That's about it really. This is based on the notion of "shortest path".

a lot of the recipes will leave you spinning in circles.
Like my "dd" attempt. I got a line of "binary" garbage and
then the BIOS moved on. It would not boot off it, and it looked
for all the world, like only legacy boot was supported. Windows
installer DVDs (when you burn a DVD), those are hybrid and
there are two entries in the popup boot in that case.

Microsoft does not particularly care to make their DVDs "convenient".
When the x64 version goes over 4.700 E9 bytes, then the media
doesn't fit on single layer DVD. And you need dual layer. You
would also need dual-layer DVD for a Ubuntu this week. In addition,
the install.wim (or esd.wim) on a Windows DVD, it can go over 4GB
and then a FAT32 container on the USB stick won't work. Some other
install media, the designer uses multiple squashfs files, so that
even a FAT32 for containment works.

I would think, learning how to use Ventoy would be best, taking
care to finish loading up with an LM22 image and a Windows image,
before destroying something and coincidentally ending up with no
boot media.

And for your computer room, I heartily recommend the DVD drive in
USB enclosure. Available as a slim, or as a regular size. I have
one (and I think I have a spare IDE DVD to stuff in the enclosure
if the current one dies). I got the IDE DVD at the surplus center,
I held my breath and asked the guy "you got some of this ancient
technology" and he never tells you how many he's got, he just
answers with Yes, and you can't even look at his stock which
is hidden upstairs. He comes down with your item and there you are.
His "stock" was obtained from a bankrupt radio station and their
<cough> IT department. Which means at most, there were 30 IDE DVD drives upstairs.

In an emergency, I can pull the DVD drive out of the Mac G4 and
boot off that :-) That's why we keep old computers, for the parts.

Paul

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On Tue, 12/31/2024 6:46 AM, David wrote:

On 31/12/2024 09:16, Paul wrote:

On Mon, 12/30/2024 5:35 PM, David wrote:

Thanks for chatting, Paul.

Here's the thread which *I* started on that forum:-

https://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?p=2567954#p2567954

I fear I need more hand-holding as I get older! <sigh>

I'm currently wiping the hard drive again on the Dell laptop and will look again tomorrow.

I tried a test of LM22 on the old E8400 CPU with HD6450 video card and 16GB RAM,
and this is what you see when testing the analog sound. I was using
simplescreenrecorder to record the screen, which is why the CPU usage
is so high. The sound is Intel HDAudio and some small CODEC for the analog. >>
    [Picture]

     https://i.postimg.cc/0NnSjVnX/Optiplex-LM22-sound-test.gif

The sound works and comes out of the speakers.

I find LM 21.3 is better for old computers,
and LM 22 just isn't quite the same for the job.

The LM21.3 uses the 5.15 kernel, while LM22 uses 6.x.y kernels.

Thanks, Paul.

I've got the same grandfather clock ticking sounds using MX Linux as I
had with Mint, so the only thing I can think of is that perhaps flashing
the BIOS will be necessary to fix the sound failure.

I've read about what to do - but not yet tried to do it!

https://www.dell.com/support/kbdoc/en-uk/000123870/how-to-flash-the-bios-on-a-dell-desktop-or-notebook-with-a-usb-thumb-drive

Googling on the first statement may dig up more articles on repair statements.

https://www.reddit.com/r/linuxhardware/comments/xzxkef/realtek_alc256_sound_card_issue_fix/

"... /etc/modprobe.d mine is called alsa-base.conf

options snd-intel-dspcfg dsp_driver=1
options snd-hda-intel model=dell-headset-multi
options snd-hda-intel power_save=1
"

*******

I couldn't find a datasheet for ALC256, but it's possible the part
description is "2 channel CODEC with equalizer", where the equalizer
is the driver code, rather than inside the chip itself. To put a
processor inside the ALC256, with a small RAM for temporary variables,
that's just not RealTeks style. Any kind of DSP solution, or even
a mixed analog/digital chip platform, you could put together
a multi-band equalizer (or even a basic bass/treble control).

The problem could be with a "null" driver that removes the DSP
and copies the voice samples from one place to another (with the
wrong sample rate used). Or, it could be the DSP part was
surgically removed properly, but it is an actual
old-fashioned 44100 Hz versus 48000 Hz issue. We used
to have ticking in the past, cause by improper sampling
rate handling.

Paul

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