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  • Re: Usenet Newsgroups Part III - Founding, Fame, Influence, and Foresha

    From D@21:1/5 to Bozo User on Sat Aug 24 12:39:35 2024
    On Sat, 24 Aug 2024 08:15:07 -0000 (UTC), Bozo User <anthk@disroot.org> wrote: >On 2024-08-22, D <noreply@mixmin.net> wrote:
    On Thu, 22 Aug 2024 20:28:55 -0000 (UTC), Bozo User <anthk@disroot.org> wrote:
    snip
    "Table of Contents:
    https://tagn.wordpress.com/2023/12/10/usenet-newsgroups-part-iii-founding-fame-influence-and-foreshadowing/
    You can read these under slrn.

    only skim read some of this, but tor browser works just fine . . .
    (using Tor Browser 13.5.2) >>>https://www.cs.columbia.edu/~smb/blog/2019-11/2019-11-14.html
    The Early History of Usenet, Part I: Prologue >>>https://www.cs.columbia.edu/~smb/blog/2019-11/2019-11-14a.html
    The Early History of Usenet, Part II: The Technological Setting >>>https://www.cs.columbia.edu/~smb/blog/2019-11/2019-11-15.html
    The Early History of Usenet, Part III: Hardware and Economics >>>https://www.cs.columbia.edu/~smb/blog/2019-11/2019-11-17.html
    The Early History of Usenet, Part IV: File Format >>>https://www.cs.columbia.edu/~smb/blog/2019-11/2019-11-21.html
    The Early History of Usenet, Part V: Implementation and User Experience >>>https://www.cs.columbia.edu/~smb/blog/2019-11/2019-11-22.html
    The Early History of Usenet, Part VI: Authentication and Norms
    https://www.cs.columbia.edu/~smb/blog/2019-11/2019-11-25.html
    The Early History of Usenet, Part VII: The Public Announcement >>>https://www.cs.columbia.edu/~smb/blog/2019-11/2019-11-30.html
    The Early History of Usenet, Part VIII: Usenet Growth and B-news >>>https://www.cs.columbia.edu/~smb/blog/2019-12/2019-12-26.html
    The Early History of Usenet, Part IX: The Great Renaming >>>https://www.cs.columbia.edu/~smb/blog/2020-01/2020-01-09.html
    The Early History of Usenet, Part X: Retrospective Thoughts >>>https://www.cs.columbia.edu/~smb/blog/2020-01/2020-01-09a.html
    The Early History of Usenet, Part XI: Errata >>>https://www.cs.columbia.edu/~smb/blog/control/tag_index.html#TH_Usenet_history
    The tag URL ...#TH_Usenet_history will always take you to an index of all >>>blog posts on this topic.
    [end quoted excerpts]

    Nah, I meant the whole Usenet spool inside slrn, as if you were
    reading a modern spool one, with threads and such. Very
    convenient unlike opening every post by hand with a text editor.

    it's a very interesting historical account . . . here's a sample:

    (using Tor Browser 13.5.2) https://www.cs.columbia.edu/~smb/blog/2019-11/2019-11-14a.html
    The Early History of Usenet, Part II: The Technological Setting
    14 November 2019
    Usenet--Netnews--was conceived almost exactly 40 years ago this month.
    To understand where it came from and why certain decisions were made
    the way they were, it's important to understand the technological
    constraints of the time.
    Metanote: this is a personal history as I remember it. None of us were
    taking notes at the time; it's entirely possible that errors have crept
    in, especially since my brain cells do not even have parity checking,
    let alone ECC. Please send any corrections.
    In 1979, mainframes still walked the earth. In fact, they were the
    dominant form of computing. The IBM PC was about two years in the
    future; the microcomputers of the time, as they were known, had too
    little capability for more or less anything serious. For some purposes, >especially in research labs and process control systems, so-called >minicomputers--which were small, only the size of one or two full-size >refrigerators--were used. So-called "super-minis", which had the raw
    CPU power of a mainframe though not the I/O bandwidth, were starting
    to become available.
    At the time, Unix ran on a popular line of minicomputers, the Digital >Equipment Corporation (DEC) PDP-11. The PDP-11 had a 16-bit address
    space (though with the right OS, you could quasi-double that by using
    one 16-bit address space for instructions and a separate one for data); >depending on the model, memory was limited to the 10s of kilobytes
    (yes, kilobytes) to a very few megabytes. No one program could access
    more than 64K at a time, but the extra physical memory meant that a
    context switch could often be done without swapping, since other
    processes might still be memory-resident. (Note well: I said "swapping",
    not "paging"; the Unix of the time did not implement paging. There was
    too little memory per process to make it worthwhile; it was easier to
    just write the whole thing out to disk...)
    For most people, networking was non-existent. The ARPANET existed (and
    I had used it by then), but to be on it you had be a defense contractor
    or a university with a research contract from DARPA. IBM had assorted
    forms of networking based on leased synchronous communications lines
    (plus some older mechanisms for dial-up batch remote job entry), and
    there was at least one public packet-switched network, but very, very
    few places had connections to it. The only thing that was halfway
    common was the dial-up modem, which ran at 300 bps. The Bell 212A full- >duplex, dial-up modem had just been introduced but it was rare. Why?
    Because you more or less had to lease it from the phone company: Ma
    Bell, more formally known as AT&T. It was technically legal to buy your
    own modems, but to hardwire them to the phone network required going
    through a leased adapter known as a DAA (data access arrangement) to
    "protect the phone network". (Explaining that would take a far deeper
    dive into telephony regulation than I have the energy for tonight.)
    Usenet originated in a slightly different regulatory environment,
    though: Duke University was served by Duke Telecom, a university entity
    (and Durham was GTE territory), while UNC Chapel Hill, where I was a
    student, was served by Chapel Hill Telephone-the university owned the
    phone, power, water, and sewer systems, though around this time the
    state legislature ordered that the utilities be divested.
    There was one more piece to the puzzle: the computing environments at
    UNC and Duke computer science. Duke had a PDP-11/70, then the high-end
    model, running Unix. We had a PDP-11/45 intended as a dedicated machine
    for molecular graphics modeling; it ran DOS, a minor DEC operating
    system. It had a few extra terminal ports, but these didn't even have
    modem control lines, i.e., the ports couldn't tell if the line had
    dropped. We hooked these to the university computer center's Gandalf
    port selector. With assistance from Duke, I and a few others brought up
    6th Edition Unix on our PDP-11, as a part-time OS. Some of the faculty
    were interested enough that they scrounged enough money to buy a better >8-port terminal adapter and some more RAM (which might have been core >storage, though around that time semiconductor RAM was starting to
    become affordable). We got a pair of VAX-11/780s soon afterwards, but
    Usenet originated on this small, slow 11/45.
    The immediate impetus for Usenet was the desire to upgrade to 7th
    Edition Unix. On 6th Edition Unix, Duke had used a modification they
    got from elsewhere to provide an announcement facility to send messages
    to users when they logged in. It wasn't desirable to always send such >messages; at 300 bps--30 characters a second--a five-line message took >annoying long to print (and yes, I do mean "print" and not "display"; >hardcopy terminals were still very, very common). This modification was
    not even vaguely compatible with the login command on 7th Edition; a >completely new implementation was necessary. And 7th Edition had uucp >(Unix-to-Unix Copy), a dial-up networking facility. This set the stage
    for Usenet.
    To be continued...
    [end quote plain text]

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Bozo User@21:1/5 to Paul W. Schleck on Thu Aug 22 20:28:55 2024
    XPost: alt.culture.usenet, news.groups

    On 2023-12-17, Paul W. Schleck <pschleck@panix.com> wrote:
    "Table of Contents:

    - Salad Days - 1979 to 1990
    - The Rise of News Groups and the Breaking of Norms - 1990 to 1996
    - The Green Card Lawyers Destroy it All
    - Waiting for Facebook or Something Like It - 1996-2008
    - Porn, Death, and the Ashes - 2008 onward
    - Usenet Newsgroups Today"


    https://tagn.wordpress.com/2023/12/10/usenet-newsgroups-part-iii-founding-fame-influence-and-foreshadowing/


    You can read these under slrn.

    Unzip the file, rename the UsenetCDROM/SPOOL directory to UsenetCDROM/news, create the UsenetCDROM/out.going directory, and create
    an ./slrnrc file with this content:

    set auto_mark_article_as_read 0
    set username "none"
    set realname "Bozo User"
    set hostname "dev.null"
    set post_object "slrnpull"
    set read_active 0
    set scorefile "UsenetCDROM/news/score"
    set server_object "spool"
    set spool_inn_root "UsenetCDROM"
    set spool_nov_root "UsenetCDROM/news"
    set spool_root "UsenetCDROM/news"
    set use_slrnpull 1
    set wrap_flags 4
    set custom_sort_by_threads 1
    set custom_sort_order "Highscore,Date|date"
    set new_subject_breaks_threads 2
    set sorting_method 12
    interpret "slrnface.sl"
    #EOF

    Then, to create the jnewsrc --file:

    slrn -i ./slrnrc -f jnewsrc --create

    Press 's' until you get subscribed to all the groups.

    Theb, to read the archived news, create a 'news.sh'
    script with this content:

    #/bin/sh
    slrn -i ./slrnrc -f jnewsrc "$@"

    chmod +x it.

    Done.

    Just run ./run.sh to read all the cached history there.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From D@21:1/5 to Bozo User on Fri Aug 23 00:08:23 2024
    On Thu, 22 Aug 2024 20:28:55 -0000 (UTC), Bozo User <anthk@disroot.org> wrote: snip
    "Table of Contents:
    https://tagn.wordpress.com/2023/12/10/usenet-newsgroups-part-iii-founding-fame-influence-and-foreshadowing/

    You can read these under slrn.

    only skim read some of this, but tor browser works just fine . . .

    (using Tor Browser 13.5.2) >https://www.cs.columbia.edu/~smb/blog/2019-11/2019-11-14.html
    The Early History of Usenet, Part I: Prologue
    ...
    https://www.cs.columbia.edu/~smb/blog/2019-11/2019-11-14a.html
    The Early History of Usenet, Part II: The Technological Setting
    ...
    https://www.cs.columbia.edu/~smb/blog/2019-11/2019-11-15.html
    The Early History of Usenet, Part III: Hardware and Economics
    ...
    https://www.cs.columbia.edu/~smb/blog/2019-11/2019-11-17.html
    The Early History of Usenet, Part IV: File Format
    ...
    https://www.cs.columbia.edu/~smb/blog/2019-11/2019-11-21.html
    The Early History of Usenet, Part V: Implementation and User Experience
    ...
    https://www.cs.columbia.edu/~smb/blog/2019-11/2019-11-22.html
    The Early History of Usenet, Part VI: Authentication and Norms
    ...
    https://www.cs.columbia.edu/~smb/blog/2019-11/2019-11-25.html
    The Early History of Usenet, Part VII: The Public Announcement
    ...
    https://www.cs.columbia.edu/~smb/blog/2019-11/2019-11-30.html
    The Early History of Usenet, Part VIII: Usenet Growth and B-news
    [end quoted excerpts]

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From D@21:1/5 to Bozo User on Thu Aug 22 23:38:22 2024
    On Thu, 22 Aug 2024 20:28:55 -0000 (UTC), Bozo User <anthk@disroot.org> wrote: snip
    "Table of Contents:
    https://tagn.wordpress.com/2023/12/10/usenet-newsgroups-part-iii-founding-fame-influence-and-foreshadowing/

    You can read these under slrn.

    p.s. more complete toc . . .

    (using Tor Browser 13.5.2) >https://www.cs.columbia.edu/~smb/blog/2019-11/2019-11-14.html
    The Early History of Usenet, Part I: Prologue
    ...
    https://www.cs.columbia.edu/~smb/blog/2019-11/2019-11-14a.html
    The Early History of Usenet, Part II: The Technological Setting
    ...
    https://www.cs.columbia.edu/~smb/blog/2019-11/2019-11-15.html
    The Early History of Usenet, Part III: Hardware and Economics
    ...
    https://www.cs.columbia.edu/~smb/blog/2019-11/2019-11-17.html
    The Early History of Usenet, Part IV: File Format
    ...
    https://www.cs.columbia.edu/~smb/blog/2019-11/2019-11-21.html
    The Early History of Usenet, Part V: Implementation and User Experience
    ...
    https://www.cs.columbia.edu/~smb/blog/2019-11/2019-11-22.html
    The Early History of Usenet, Part VI: Authentication and Norms
    ...
    https://www.cs.columbia.edu/~smb/blog/2019-11/2019-11-25.html
    The Early History of Usenet, Part VII: The Public Announcement
    ...
    https://www.cs.columbia.edu/~smb/blog/2019-11/2019-11-30.html
    The Early History of Usenet, Part VIII: Usenet Growth and B-news
    ...
    https://www.cs.columbia.edu/~smb/blog/2019-12/2019-12-26.html
    The Early History of Usenet, Part IX: The Great Renaming
    ...
    https://www.cs.columbia.edu/~smb/blog/2020-01/2020-01-09.html
    The Early History of Usenet, Part X: Retrospective Thoughts
    ...
    https://www.cs.columbia.edu/~smb/blog/2020-01/2020-01-09a.html
    The Early History of Usenet, Part XI: Errata
    ... >https://www.cs.columbia.edu/~smb/blog/control/tag_index.html#TH_Usenet_history >The tag URL ...#TH_Usenet_history will always take you to an index of all >blog posts on this topic.
    [end quoted excerpts]

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)

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