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On 27/04/2024 16:15 Spawn <tates@leather.pants> wrote:
On 26/02/2024 10:26 am, Steven M. O'Neill wrote:I have noticed a marked decline in Usenet posts.
The Running Man <runningman@writeable.com> wrote:We've finally passed through October and November, now onward into
On 22/02/2024 22:20 ant@zimage.comANT (Ant)
wrote:
A new beginning for Usenet?
Is there an apt month metaphor for this? June because school's out?
December 1993.
--
As always, I remain...
Spawn
On Thu, 2 May 2024 08:22:06 -0000 (UTC), The Running Man wrote:
On 27/04/2024 16:15 Spawn <tates@leather.pants> wrote:
On 26/02/2024 10:26 am, Steven M. O'Neill wrote:I have noticed a marked decline in Usenet posts.
The Running Man <runningman@writeable.com> wrote:We've finally passed through October and November, now onward into
On 22/02/2024 22:20 ant@zimage.comANT (Ant)
wrote:
A new beginning for Usenet?
Is there an apt month metaphor for this? June because school's out?
December 1993.
--
As always, I remain...
Spawn
I've noticed a drop in spam posts as well.
I'm glad that Google depeered.
On 7/13/24 21:00, candycanearter07 wrote:
Francis <fran@cis.com> wrote at 05:24 this Saturday (GMT):
A new beginning for Usenet?
I'm glad that Google depeered.
++++
candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> wrote:
I'm glad that Google depeered.
Let's plan something for the GUS date?
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From: vjp2.at@at.BioStrategist.dot.dot.com
Newsgroups: alt.fan.usenet
Subject: Re: Did Google Groups disconnect from newsgroups yet?
Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2025 22:44:31 -0000 (UTC)
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a strong enough current of support for crossposting (now disabled by google >groups, BTW) on the grounds it was more efficient than multiple posts to >multiple groups.
On Sun, 19 Jan 2025 22:44:31 -0000 (UTC), vjp2.at@at.BioStrategist.dot.dot.com wrote:
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From: vjp2.at@at.BioStrategist.dot.dot.com
Newsgroups: alt.fan.usenet
Subject: Re: Did Google Groups disconnect from newsgroups yet?
Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2025 22:44:31 -0000 (UTC)
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a strong enough current of support for crossposting (now disabled by google >>groups, BTW) on the grounds it was more efficient than multiple posts to >>multiple groups.
the majority of currently active unmoderated usenet newsgroups are
infested by usenet troll farm sock puppets . . . nothing new about
that since it's been going on for decades, certainly since the mid-
1990s, but this pandemic occupation of newsgroups vastly increased
after google absorbed dejanews in 2001 . . . and troll farm agents
have routinely utilized all available news servers, remailers, etc.
to meet their assigned daily quotas, custom-tailored to each group
but often cross-posting between them for maximum disruptive effect
I think Goon Ghule's abandoning their deja news franchise and Reddit's API
fiasco should propel a revival of the usenet.
Steve Bonine <spb@pobox.com> wrote:
[...]
There are still a few active UseNet groups, and more power to the folks
there. But a revival? Not going to happen. Just let it die in peace.
- and us die hard Usenetters with it. :(
vjp2.at@at.BioStrategist.dot.dot.com wrote:
I think Goon Ghule's abandoning their deja news franchise and Reddit's >> API
fiasco should propel a revival of the usenet.
Amusing.
I think that it should be warm in Canada in the Winter. Unlikely, along with a revival of Usenet or a mass exodus from Reddit.
Technology moves on. I spent a lot of time with FidoNet, but those days are gone. Then I got a lot of enjoyment from UseNet, but those days are gone too.
In order to have a meaningful discussion, there must be participants. Back in the golden days of UseNet, it was pretty easy to participate; your ISP had a news feed and provided a news reader. Then technology changed, people migrated to web browsers, ISPs stopped supporting UseNet and the participants disappeared.
There are still a few active UseNet groups, and more power to the folks there. But a revival? Not going to happen. Just let it die in peace.
D wrote:
On Mon, 20 Jan 2025, Steve Bonine wrote:
vjp2.at@at.BioStrategist.dot.dot.com wrote:
ááá I think Goon Ghule's abandoning their deja news franchise and
Reddit's API
fiasco should propel a revival of the usenet.
...
There are still a few active UseNet groups, and more power to the
folks there.á But a revival?á Not going to happen.á Just let it die in
peace.
I was active on usenet in the 90s and it was not usable. Too many posts, difficult to follow. I find the current nr of users excellent! I am
happy the vast majority are off using facebook and otehr surveillance media, so I can have this little oasis of freedom and enjoyment with the few retro enthusiasts that are here.
As I said, more power to you. The thing that amuses me is the talk of a "revival", and the actions of so-called "hierarchy managers" to do
things like remove newsgroups or even create new ones, assuming that new participants will miraculously appear to use them. It won't happen.
On Mon, 20 Jan 2025, Steve Bonine wrote:
vjp2.at@at.BioStrategist.dot.dot.com wrote:
I think Goon Ghule's abandoning their deja news franchise and
Reddit's API
fiasco should propel a revival of the usenet.
There are still a few active UseNet groups, and more power to the
folks there. But a revival? Not going to happen. Just let it die in
peace.
I was active on usenet in the 90s and it was not usable. Too many posts, difficult to follow. I find the current nr of users excellent! I am
happy the vast majority are off using facebook and otehr surveillance
media, so I can have this little oasis of freedom and enjoyment with the
few retro enthusiasts that are here.
D wrote:
On Mon, 20 Jan 2025, Steve Bonine wrote:
vjp2.at@at.BioStrategist.dot.dot.com wrote:
I think Goon Ghule's abandoning their deja news franchise and
Reddit's API
fiasco should propel a revival of the usenet.
...
There are still a few active UseNet groups, and more power to the folks
there. But a revival? Not going to happen. Just let it die in peace. >>>
I was active on usenet in the 90s and it was not usable. Too many posts,
difficult to follow. I find the current nr of users excellent! I am happy
the vast majority are off using facebook and otehr surveillance media, so I >> can have this little oasis of freedom and enjoyment with the few retro
enthusiasts that are here.
As I said, more power to you. The thing that amuses me is the talk of a
"revival", and the actions of so-called "hierarchy managers" to do things like remove newsgroups or even create new ones, assuming that new participants will miraculously appear to use them. It won't happen.
I think Goon Ghule's abandoning their deja news franchise and Reddit's API
fiasco should propel a revival of the usenet. I believe users should manage their own use (ie kill files), that schoolmarmish censors (aka moderators) have no place. That annonimity is what preserves democracy and free speech and allows exposing evil. I believe privacy and free speech are mutually exclusive: the Greek word for privacy is cognate with idiot. I mostly mourn the ability to explore scientific and technical issues. I believe this was sorely missed during the pandemic. Both political parties are devoid of new ideas. The galant genius Zvi Galil made NYC the hub of genomics by using the usenet to bring together scientists from the city's silo universities to attend his seminars.
My godfather worked at Mergenthaler Linotype 1969-75, installing about half the Linotron 505s in the USA. I got to see Ottmar's pocket
notebooks. THe linotype was responsible for the explosion of democracy in the late 1800s, odd places like Iran, Russia, Japan &al. Eventually the grubmints figured how to restrict it by the 1930s. Ditto internet 1990s vs today. I believe constant innovation is the only answer. Even Archive.org has fallen to
the new censorship craze.
I think being notified of replies to your poasts would be an essential improvement. I think you should restructure the hierarchy along the lines of university departments.
ANd yes, I really do think text-only computing is important, not an artifact. It allows me to resuse posts without unraveling java spaghetti.
All those fleas that fly into windows are annoying.
From: vjp2.at@at.BioStrategist.dot.dot.com
Newsgroups: news.software.readers:307819
Subject: sugg: a soc net style newsreader
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2016 01:40:08 +0000 (UTC)
Message-ID: <np33lo$81b$1@reader2.panix.com>
I feel social networks and blogs risk monopolisation and censorship, force
conformity, use unnecessary resources, require too fancy software, and fragment users. Usenet in the 1990s united the world. I was at an event discussing crowdsourcing for science and folks lamented the demise of usenet.
I'd like to see a reader both online (accessible by lynx browser) and as an app that looks and feels like a social network. It should most of all notify you when somone replies to your posts and when your friends post. It should let you rank (1-10) how important posts are and so decide what to show you first. I had a celfon in 1990-2009. Dumped it. I really get annoyed when they ask me for a celfon or to update my browser.
I think MS Outlook's downloading a use list of groups crippled usenet, and
Google has not maintained the deja news franchise (some stuff seems to have disappeared). Also they did not maintain the hierarchy, which would have better followed academic departments.
I also think the moderator fanaticism was crippling. You can use kill files instead of depend on the whim of others. We should allow individuals to control what they view, not others.
One special peeve is, since I work in fields where brainstorming is important, I would crosspost to groups I wanted to bring together. But the narrow minded would complain they didn't want to hear it. I've actually seen a strong enough current of support for crossposting (now disabled by google groups, BTW) on the grounds it was more efficient than multiple posts to multiple groups.
I really do think the internet of the 1990s was freer. Too many search engines try to control what you see. They even disable booleans. Maybe they do it to try to be helpful, maybe they are doing it to protect paying customers, I can't tell. I have an analogy in Otmar Mergenthaler's linotype leading ot an explosion of press freedom and hence democracies (in places like Iran, Russia, Germany) in the late 1800s. Of course we know what happened, govt learned to control the press. Well, look around, same with internet - maybe not here, but most places.
Remember the orig net was peer-to-peer. Now everyone seems to be logged in from a server farm in Texas. So where's the "inter" in internet?
Newsgroups: news.admin.net-abuse.bulletins, news.admin.net-abuse.usenet,
news.admin.net-abuse.sightings, news.admin.net-abuse.misc Subject: FAQ: Current Usenet spam thresholds and guidelines
Date: Sun, 16 May 2004 00:00:01 -0500
Message-ID: <spam-faq.20040516050001$1d4d@news.killfile.org>
http://www.killfile.org/faqs/spam.html
Some people think cross-posting is "bad". In and of itself, it's good behaviour - it allows you to reach more groups with less impact on the net. Especially if you set the Followup-to: header to one group. It is "bad" when it's done to attack newsgroups or provoke flamewars (like cross-posting how to cook a cat between alt.tasteless and rec.pet.cats), but this is beyond
the scope of this FAQ.
On 20/01/2025 01:43 D <noreply@mixmin.net> wrote:
On Sun, 19 Jan 2025 22:44:31 -0000 (UTC), vjp2.at@at.BioStrategist.dot.dot.com wrote:
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From: vjp2.at@at.BioStrategist.dot.dot.com
Newsgroups: alt.fan.usenet
Subject: Re: Did Google Groups disconnect from newsgroups yet?
Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2025 22:44:31 -0000 (UTC)
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a strong enough current of support for crossposting (now disabled by google >>>groups, BTW) on the grounds it was more efficient than multiple posts to >>>multiple groups.
the majority of currently active unmoderated usenet newsgroups are
infested by usenet troll farm sock puppets . . . nothing new about
that since it's been going on for decades, certainly since the mid-
1990s, but this pandemic occupation of newsgroups vastly increased
after google absorbed dejanews in 2001 . . . and troll farm agents
have routinely utilized all available news servers, remailers, etc.
to meet their assigned daily quotas, custom-tailored to each group
but often cross-posting between them for maximum disruptive effect
I continue to see very little activity on Usenet, at least the newsgroups that I visit.
Steve Bonine <spb@pobox.com> wrote:
D wrote:
On Mon, 20 Jan 2025, Steve Bonine wrote:
vjp2.at@at.BioStrategist.dot.dot.com wrote:
I think Goon Ghule's abandoning their deja news franchise and
Reddit's API
fiasco should propel a revival of the usenet.
...
There are still a few active UseNet groups, and more power to the
folks there. But a revival? Not going to happen. Just let it die in >> >> peace.
I was active on usenet in the 90s and it was not usable. Too many posts, >> > difficult to follow. I find the current nr of users excellent! I am
happy the vast majority are off using facebook and otehr surveillance
media, so I can have this little oasis of freedom and enjoyment with the >> > few retro enthusiasts that are here.
As I said, more power to you. The thing that amuses me is the talk of a
"revival", and the actions of so-called "hierarchy managers" to do
things like remove newsgroups or even create new ones, assuming that new
participants will miraculously appear to use them. It won't happen.
Well, not recent, but when comp.mobile.android was created, it
generated - and still generates - a lot of traffic. Probably not of
new users, but it brought new/more/<whatever> traffic.
And I know of a few 'young' (40-45) and one really young (now ~22)
posters on Usenet, so AFAIC, there's still hope! :-)
IIRC, that young poster is actually one of said "hierarchy managers".
On Mon, 20 Jan 2025, Sn!pe wrote:
Steve Bonine <spb@pobox.com> wrote:
[...]
There are still a few active UseNet groups, and more power to the folks
there. But a revival? Not going to happen. Just let it die in peace.
- and us die hard Usenetters with it. :(
Don't you worry! You and Gordon will be here for many more decades to
come! I especially find Gordons participation very valuable. He teaches us serenity and peace with his rock hard resilience and psychology! =)