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Dave Smith wrote:
On 2024-11-15 1:54 a.m., Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
On 2024-11-15, Ed P <esp@snet.n> wrote:
Only 9%???? You did good. I moved to CT in 1981 under Reagan and got a >>> good deal at 15%. Yes, my 15% trickled down to the bankers.
<I was going to post>
Thanks, but Carter got the wheels in motion to start the problem, and
Reagan solved the problem. Rot from the previous administration poisoned
the economy for a while.
Tell me again how Trump was responsible for the clown show withdrawl
from Afghanistan. I love to laugh. DEI! DEI! DEI!
The Trump administration signed a deal with the Taliban.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States%E2%80%93Taliban_deal
The Trump administration agreed to an initial reduction of US troops in Afghanistan from 13,000 to 8,600 within 135 days (i.e., by July 2020),
followed by a full withdrawal within 14 months (i.e., by 1 May 2021),
*if the Taliban kept its commitments.*
It was negotiated and signed under the Trump administration
So?
Did you want us to stay there forever?
"On 20 January 2021, at the inauguration of Joe Biden, there were 2,500
US soldiers still in Afghanistan. Biden's national security adviser,
Jake Sullivan, said that the administration would review the withdrawal agreement."
and the shameful
withdrawal of US troops and stranding of loyal <?> Afghans would have
been carried out under the re-elected Trump administration
That is speculative BULLSHIT, see above, you lying son of a bitch!
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-afghanistan-idUSKBN29R2NG/
Sullivan told Afghan national security adviser Hamdullah Mohib that the
review would assess "whether the Taliban was living up to its
commitments to cut ties with terrorist groups, to reduce violence in Afghanistan, and to engage in meaningful negotiations with the Afghan government and other stakeholders," the statement said.
The White House statement said Sullivan underscored that the U.S. will
support the peace process with "a robust and regional diplomatic
effort," which will aim to help the two sides achieve a durable and just political settlement and permanent ceasefire.
So what the FUCK happened to the Biden administration;s review process?
THEY had every tool to revise or reneg if they though it was a bad deal,
didn't they , you asshole?
But somehow _their failure to revise_ is now Trump's fault?
Do you see what kind of deceitful madness your TDS spite fever is?
https://www.nbcnews.com/investigations/biden-officials-warnings-crumbling-security-afghan-withdrawal-rcna170121
In the months before the chaotic U.S. withdrawal from Afghanistan, Biden administration officials “watered down” warnings about crumbling
security and failed to launch an emergency evacuation of Americans and
Afghan allies until it was too late, says a new report by House Republicans.
“Our investigation reveals the Biden-Harris administration had the information and opportunity to take necessary steps to plan for the
inevitable collapse of the Afghan government," said Rep. Michael McCaul, R-Texas, the committee's chair. "At each step of the way, however, the administration picked optics over security."
Biden bungled the execution of the withdrawal itself.
After Biden announced in April that all U.S. troops would leave by the
end of August, an employee at the U.S. Embassy in Kabul described being
stunned that “our posture had not shifted to a point that we could get
out relatively easily,” the report said, citing the State Department documents. Embassy staff members “tried to raise these issues in various ways, but post leadership never wanted to hear it,” the report said.
By July 13, 2021, 26 officials and staff members at the embassy wrote to
senior leadership about their concerns in a “dissent cable,” the State Department’s official channel for expressing internal disagreements.
Warning the Afghan government would lose control in Kabul soon after
American troops departed, the cable urged the State Department to take
its evacuation planning seriously, address the backlog of visa
applications from Afghans who worked for the U.S. government and secure
the safety of those aiding the embassy in Afghanistan.
The report focuses heavily on what it said was a failure by the White
House and the State Department to plan for an emergency evacuation of
Americans and Afghans out of the country in case of a Taliban takeover.
It also criticized what it said was the Biden administration’s failure
to promptly order the evacuation once circumstances deteriorated.
In previous testimony to the committee, Army Gen. Mark Milley, the
chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff at the time of the withdrawal,
said the State Department’s decision not to request an evacuation of personnel until Aug. 15 — the day Kabul fell to the Taliban — was a “fundamental mistake” that led to the frenzied scenes at the Kabul airport.
had the Democrats not stolen the election.
But they did, and then a whole LOT worse:
https://www.heritage.org/heritage-national-security-experts-never-forget-bidens-botched-afghanistan-withdrawal-killed-13
“Three years after the disastrous withdrawal from Kabul where 13
Americans were killed at Abbey Gate, the Taliban paraded abandoned U.S. military equipment reminding us of the steep costs of embarrassingly bad decisions made by the Biden-Harris administration.
“The Biden-Harris administration has returned control of Afghanistan to
the Taliban—now the best equipped terrorist state in history. The 2,459
U.S. military personnel and 20,769 wounded in action in Afghanistan did
not serve for this end result.
“ISIS is rebuilding, Al-Qaeda is resurgent, the administration is
reportedly paying the Taliban $30-40 million a week, and we’ve not
conducted an “over the horizon” counterterrorism strike since the withdrawal.”
https://foreignpolicy.com/2022/08/15/afghanistan-withdrawal-pullout-military-taliban-chaos-evacuation-biden-inhofe/
After taking office, Biden undertook a superficial review of our
Afghanistan policy—one that totally ignored the advice of his top
military advisor and his commanders on the ground. On April 14, 2021, he reversed the Trump administration’s conditions-based drawdown policy and announced that all U.S. forces would be withdrawn from Afghanistan by
Sept. 11 of that year, whether or not the Taliban had met its
commitments under the 2020 agreement.
Today is a deeply sad anniversary. One year ago, the Taliban seized
Kabul, the Afghan government collapsed, and U.S. President Joe Biden
ordered a hasty and chaotic evacuation from Afghanistan. When the crisis
ended two weeks later, 13 U.S. service members had been killed and
hundreds or more U.S. citizens had been left behind to fend for
themselves under the Taliban’s brutal rule.
Future historians will ask how a global superpower like the United
States seemed so unprepared for Afghanistan’s unraveling. Here’s what
they should know: Almost everyone who paid any attention to Afghanistan
saw it coming—everyone, that is, except Biden and his insular circle of advisors.
The United States went to war in Afghanistan following the 9/11
terrorist attacks for two main reasons: to punish those responsible and
to prevent any future attacks from being planned and organized from
Afghan soil. The two-decade war was costly, not least to our men and
women in uniform: 2,448 U.S. service members were killed and 20,752
service members were wounded during the war. Yet the U.S.-led effort
also helped sustain an Afghan government that, for all of its many shortcomings, prevented the Taliban’s resurgence, countered al Qaeda and
the Islamic State, and afforded Afghans unprecedented freedoms for
nearly two decades.
Nobody wanted a “forever war” in Afghanistan—I certainly didn’t. That’s
why I supported then-U.S. President Donald Trump’s February 2020
agreement with the Taliban, which conditioned the withdrawal of U.S.
troops from Afghanistan on the Taliban’s implementation of wide-ranging counterterrorism commitments. In the interim, Trump right-sized the U.S.
force posture, reducing troop levels from roughly 12,000 service members
in February 2020 to 2,500 service members (according to U.S. Defense
Department numbers) by the time he left office—a sufficient presence for supporting the Afghan government’s security efforts and ensuring that
the Taliban kept their end of the bargain.
After taking office, Biden undertook a superficial review of our
Afghanistan policy—one that totally ignored the advice of his top
military advisor and his commanders on the ground. On April 14, 2021, he reversed the Trump administration’s conditions-based drawdown policy and announced that all U.S. forces would be withdrawn from Afghanistan by
Sept. 11 of that year, whether or not the Taliban had met its
commitments under the 2020 agreement.
The only thing that has been “decimated” in Afghanistan, to borrow Biden’s term, is everything that U.S. service members sacrificed to build.
Eight days after Biden’s announcement, the commander of U.S. Central
Command, U.S. Marines Gen. Kenneth “Frank” McKenzie Jr., told the Senate Armed Services Committee that he was concerned about the “ability of the Afghan military to hold the ground that they’re on now without the
support that they have been used to for many years.” He also
acknowledged that counterterrorism strikes would be much harder without
a U.S. presence.
In May 2021, USA Today reported that Afghan translators, who had worked alongside U.S. personnel for years, feared that the Taliban would take
over and kill them once U.S. troops departed. They begged the Biden administration for help—and members of Congress, on both sides of the
aisle, echoed their pleas to start evacuating U.S. citizens and
partners. Meanwhile, the Taliban saw Biden’s unconditional withdrawal as
an invitation to ramp up their offensive. Afghan government forces stood
down because they saw no chance of winning without U.S. support.
Throughout this period, Biden refused to reexamine his policy. On July
8, 2021, even as the Taliban were on the march, he insisted that the Taliban’s takeover of Afghanistan was not yet inevitable. Meanwhile, his administration refused to expedite the evacuation of U.S. citizens and
Afghan partners because it feared this would signal a lack of confidence
in the Afghan government.
When the Taliban finally entered Kabul on Aug. 15, 2021, they took the
Afghan capital without a fight. Even with many thousands of U.S.
citizens and Afghan partners still in the country, the Biden
administration stuck to its new, self-imposed Aug. 31 deadline for
completing the withdrawal. The result was utter chaos: Thousands of U.S. service members were suddenly deployed to Kabul’s international airport
to assist the evacuation effort and contend with masses of ordinary
Afghans desperate to escape Taliban rule.
Our service members rose to the occasion, as they always do, and helped evacuate around 124,000 people under incredibly difficult circumstances.
But the Islamic State still found a way to exploit the havoc, killing 13
U.S. service members near an airport gate on Aug. 26, 2021. Nearly one
year later, the Biden administration has failed to hold the perpetrators accountable because the withdrawal has severely diminished U.S. counterterrorism capabilities in Afghanistan."
Now take your bullshit Trump hate and go fucking kill yourself, you
great whinging canuckleheaded gasbag!
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