• Re: Newscum barfs lies again

    From Mittens Romney@21:1/5 to K Wills on Wed Oct 9 08:47:10 2024
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    XPost: alt.california, sci.environment

    K Wills wrote:
    Way to admit you got caught in a lie.

    Corrupt any minors lately?


    https://casetext.com/case/state-v-wills-26

    https://groups.google.com/g/rec.autos.misc/c/Ou60H28ExUw

    I. Background Facts and Proceedings.

    Around 1 a.m., an Ankeny resident called
    the local police to report that a car
    alarm sounded in the resident's
    neighborhood. The city dispatched a police
    officer to the location. Observing nothing
    unusual, the officer left the area, only
    to be stopped a couple of blocks later
    by a person who informed the officer he
    had witnessed someone running from the
    area of the car alarm. As the officer
    started driving back to the area of the
    car alarm, he noticed a person walking
    on the sidewalk. The officer asked the
    person, a minor, if he had noticed anybody
    running from the area. The minor answered
    that he had not. While the officer and
    another officer were speaking to the minor,
    another resident of the neighborhood
    arrived in her car and informed the
    officers that she had observed two people,
    one of whom was heavy set with a blinking
    light on his back pocket, walking in the
    area of her neighbor's residence. She
    observed the heavier-set individual, later
    identified as Wills, enter her neighbor's
    attached garage through an unlocked service
    door. She further observed a smaller
    individual standing by a van parked in
    the neighbor's driveway.

    The officers eventually let the minor leave
    even though they found a large amount of
    coins, a flashlight, and an electronic
    pocket organizer in his pockets. After
    releasing the minor, the police officers
    drove to the residence where the neighbor
    observed the two suspicious people and
    woke the owner. The owner, his wife,
    and two daughters were in the residence
    sleeping at the time. After a search
    of his vehicles, the owner discovered
    change and an electronic pocket organizer
    were missing from the vehicles. The
    owner's daughter reported a diamond ring
    and some change were missing from her
    vehicle. The officers then contacted
    the minor's parents, who informed the
    officers the minor was with Wills. After
    the officers questioned the minor again,
    he admitted his involvement in the theft
    and implicated Wills in the burglary.
    Although Wills denied involvement in the
    burglary, the officers arrested him.

    The State filed a trial information
    charging Wills with second-degree
    burglary. The State later amended the
    information to include two additional
    charges of burglary in the third degree
    and using a juvenile to commit an
    indictable offense.

    The jury returned a verdict finding Wills
    guilty of the crimes of burglary in the
    second degree, burglary in the third
    degree, and using a juvenile to commit
    an indictable offense. Wills appeals his
    conviction for second-degree burglary
    claiming ineffective assistance of
    counsel.

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    ⛨ 🥐🥖🗼🤪

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  • From Lil dwarf Rudey@21:1/5 to Governor Swill on Wed Oct 9 08:37:19 2024
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    Governor Swill wrote:
    To date, Lindell has not paid off despite both arbitration and the court finding
    in Zeidman's favor.

    To date you have made multiple recorded public death threats on
    President Trump and JD Vance's family, little man Ball.





    Governor Swill /Rudy Canoza/Lou Bricano/J Carlson/Michael A
    Terrell/Chris Ahlstrom/Intelligent Party/Alan Bond and a few dozen other
    socks wrote:

    Multiple death threats against Trump: --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

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    Oh poor me I got shot at ...

    Swill ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------


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    Cheer up, maybe someone else will try.

    Swill

    ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    From: J Carlson <j_carlson@gmx.com>
    Newsgroups: alt.politics.immigration,alt.politics.nationalism.white,talk.politics.misc,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
    Subject: Re: AP Lies by Ommission About Identity of Invaders Charged with
    Rape, Murder of 12-Year-Old
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    No. I am a patriotic American who wants the country and its people to
    thrive. Getting rid of Trump permanently
    is an important step to getting there.

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    That constitutes a DEATH THREAT against a former President, Rudey:


    https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/871
    18 U.S. Code § 871 - Threats against President and successors to the Presidency
    U.S. Code
    Notes
    prev | next
    (a)Whoever knowingly and willfully deposits for conveyance in the mail
    or for a delivery from any post office or by any letter carrier any
    letter, paper, writing, print, missive, or document containing any
    threat to take the life of, to kidnap, or to inflict bodily harm upon
    the President of the United States, the President-elect, the Vice
    President or other officer next in the order of succession to the office
    of President of the United States, or the Vice President-elect, or
    knowingly and willfully otherwise makes any such threat against the
    President, President-elect, Vice President or other officer next in the
    order of succession to the office of President, or Vice President-elect,
    shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years,
    or both.
    (b)The terms “President-elect” and “Vice President-elect” as used in this section shall mean such persons as are the apparent successful
    candidates for the offices of President and Vice President,
    respectively, as ascertained from the results of the general elections
    held to determine the electors of President and Vice President in
    accordance with title 3, United States Code, sections 1 and 2. The
    phrase “other officer next in the order of succession to the office of President” as used in this section shall mean the person next in the
    order of succession to act as President in accordance with title 3,
    United States Code, sections 19 and 20.
    (June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 740; June 1, 1955, ch. 115, § 1, 69
    Stat. 80; Pub. L. 87–829, § 1, Oct. 15, 1962, 76 Stat. 956; Pub. L. 97–297, § 2, Oct. 12, 1982, 96 Stat. 1318; Pub. L. 103–322, title XXXIII, § 330016(1)(H), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2147.)

    9-65.200 - Threats Against the President and Successors to the
    Presidency; Threats Against Former Presidents; and Certain Other Secret
    Service Protectees
    The Counterterrorism Section of the National Security Division has
    supervisory authority over 18 U.S.C. §§ 871 and 879 cases. As great
    caution must be taken in matters relating to the security of the persons protected by 18 U.S.C. § 871, United States Attorneys are encouraged to consult with the Counterterrorism Section (CTS) of the National Security Division when they have doubts on the prosecutive merit of a case. For
    the same reason, dismissal of complaints under 18 U.S.C. § 871, when the defendant is in custody under the Mental Incompetency Statutes (18
    U.S.C. §§ 4244, 4246), requires approval from CTS. In other cases,
    United States Attorneys must consult prior to dismissing a count
    involving, or entering into any sentence commitment or other case
    settlement involving a § 871 charge.


    https://www.secretservice.gov/newsroom/releases/2024/01/phoenix-man-arrested-making-online-death-threats-against-president-and

    PHOENIX –David Michael Hanson, 41, of Phoenix, was arrested on Wednesday
    for making online threats against the President and Vice-President.
    Hanson was charged by Federal criminal complaint on Tuesday with five
    counts of Threats Against the President and Successors to the Presidency
    and five counts of Interstate Communication of Threats.

    The complaint alleges that in November and December of 2023, while
    living in Arizona, Hanson used a social media platform to post threats
    to murder the President and Vice President of the United States. On
    November 19, 2023, Hanson posted online a series of threatening
    statements including one that stated, “#joeAndKamala I’m asking you to resign on Monday your alternative is death brutally murdered.” After the
    U.S. Secret Service spoke to Hanson and warned him that it was a Federal
    crime to post such threats, on December 23, 2023, Hanson posted another
    series of similar threats aimed at the President and Vice-President.

    Each count of Threats Against the President and Successors to the
    Presidency carries a maximum sentence of five years in prison, a fine of
    up to $250,000, and up to three years of supervised release. Each count
    of Interstate Communication of Threats carries a maximum sentence of
    five years in prison, a fine of up to $250,000, and up to three years of supervised release.

    A complaint is simply a method by which a person is charged with
    criminal activity and raises no inference of guilt. An individual is
    presumed innocent until evidence is presented to a jury that establishes
    guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.

    The United States Secret Service is conducting the investigation in this
    case. The United States Attorney’s Office, District of Arizona, is
    handling the prosecution.


    Those can be reported here:

    https://tips.fbi.gov/home

    https://www.justice.gov/action-center/report-crime-or-submit-complaint

    https://www.secretservice.gov/contact

    https://www.dhs.gov/see-something-say-something/reporting/california


    Fellow citizens, won't you join in ending Rudey's terrorism here?

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  • From Lil dwarf Rudey@21:1/5 to R Kym Horsell on Wed Oct 9 09:00:13 2024
    XPost: rec.food.cooking, alt.home.repair, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
    XPost: alt.california, sci.environment

    R Kym Horsell wrote:
    TLDR (blind).


    Governor Swill /Rudy Canoza/Lou Bricano/J Carlson/Michael A
    Terrell/Chris Ahlstrom/Intelligent Party/Alan Bond and a few dozen other
    socks wrote:

    Multiple death threats against Trump: --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

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    Oh poor me I got shot at ...

    Swill ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------


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    From: Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com>
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    Cheer up, maybe someone else will try.

    Swill

    ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    From: J Carlson <j_carlson@gmx.com>
    Newsgroups: alt.politics.immigration,alt.politics.nationalism.white,talk.politics.misc,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
    Subject: Re: AP Lies by Ommission About Identity of Invaders Charged with
    Rape, Murder of 12-Year-Old
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    No. I am a patriotic American who wants the country and its people to
    thrive. Getting rid of Trump permanently
    is an important step to getting there.

    -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------


    That constitutes a DEATH THREAT against a former President, Rudey:


    https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/871
    18 U.S. Code § 871 - Threats against President and successors to the Presidency
    U.S. Code
    Notes
    prev | next
    (a)Whoever knowingly and willfully deposits for conveyance in the mail
    or for a delivery from any post office or by any letter carrier any
    letter, paper, writing, print, missive, or document containing any
    threat to take the life of, to kidnap, or to inflict bodily harm upon
    the President of the United States, the President-elect, the Vice
    President or other officer next in the order of succession to the office
    of President of the United States, or the Vice President-elect, or
    knowingly and willfully otherwise makes any such threat against the
    President, President-elect, Vice President or other officer next in the
    order of succession to the office of President, or Vice President-elect,
    shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years,
    or both.
    (b)The terms “President-elect” and “Vice President-elect” as used in this section shall mean such persons as are the apparent successful
    candidates for the offices of President and Vice President,
    respectively, as ascertained from the results of the general elections
    held to determine the electors of President and Vice President in
    accordance with title 3, United States Code, sections 1 and 2. The
    phrase “other officer next in the order of succession to the office of President” as used in this section shall mean the person next in the
    order of succession to act as President in accordance with title 3,
    United States Code, sections 19 and 20.
    (June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 740; June 1, 1955, ch. 115, § 1, 69
    Stat. 80; Pub. L. 87–829, § 1, Oct. 15, 1962, 76 Stat. 956; Pub. L. 97–297, § 2, Oct. 12, 1982, 96 Stat. 1318; Pub. L. 103–322, title XXXIII, § 330016(1)(H), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2147.)

    9-65.200 - Threats Against the President and Successors to the
    Presidency; Threats Against Former Presidents; and Certain Other Secret
    Service Protectees
    The Counterterrorism Section of the National Security Division has
    supervisory authority over 18 U.S.C. §§ 871 and 879 cases. As great
    caution must be taken in matters relating to the security of the persons protected by 18 U.S.C. § 871, United States Attorneys are encouraged to consult with the Counterterrorism Section (CTS) of the National Security Division when they have doubts on the prosecutive merit of a case. For
    the same reason, dismissal of complaints under 18 U.S.C. § 871, when the defendant is in custody under the Mental Incompetency Statutes (18
    U.S.C. §§ 4244, 4246), requires approval from CTS. In other cases,
    United States Attorneys must consult prior to dismissing a count
    involving, or entering into any sentence commitment or other case
    settlement involving a § 871 charge.


    https://www.secretservice.gov/newsroom/releases/2024/01/phoenix-man-arrested-making-online-death-threats-against-president-and

    PHOENIX –David Michael Hanson, 41, of Phoenix, was arrested on Wednesday
    for making online threats against the President and Vice-President.
    Hanson was charged by Federal criminal complaint on Tuesday with five
    counts of Threats Against the President and Successors to the Presidency
    and five counts of Interstate Communication of Threats.

    The complaint alleges that in November and December of 2023, while
    living in Arizona, Hanson used a social media platform to post threats
    to murder the President and Vice President of the United States. On
    November 19, 2023, Hanson posted online a series of threatening
    statements including one that stated, “#joeAndKamala I’m asking you to resign on Monday your alternative is death brutally murdered.” After the
    U.S. Secret Service spoke to Hanson and warned him that it was a Federal
    crime to post such threats, on December 23, 2023, Hanson posted another
    series of similar threats aimed at the President and Vice-President.

    Each count of Threats Against the President and Successors to the
    Presidency carries a maximum sentence of five years in prison, a fine of
    up to $250,000, and up to three years of supervised release. Each count
    of Interstate Communication of Threats carries a maximum sentence of
    five years in prison, a fine of up to $250,000, and up to three years of supervised release.

    A complaint is simply a method by which a person is charged with
    criminal activity and raises no inference of guilt. An individual is
    presumed innocent until evidence is presented to a jury that establishes
    guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.

    The United States Secret Service is conducting the investigation in this
    case. The United States Attorney’s Office, District of Arizona, is
    handling the prosecution.


    Those can be reported here:

    https://tips.fbi.gov/home

    https://www.justice.gov/action-center/report-crime-or-submit-complaint

    https://www.secretservice.gov/contact

    https://www.dhs.gov/see-something-say-something/reporting/california


    Fellow citizens, won't you join in ending Rudey's terrorism here?

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  • From Lil dwarf Rudey@21:1/5 to K Wills on Wed Oct 9 08:47:44 2024
    XPost: rec.food.cooking, alt.home.repair, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
    XPost: alt.california, sci.environment

    K Wills wrote:
    Gaslight much?
    So there is no evidence and you lied. Got it.
    Care to explain why you lied? Or do you really HATE truth and
    honesty too much? Time will tell, I suppose.


    https://casetext.com/case/state-v-wills-26

    https://groups.google.com/g/rec.autos.misc/c/Ou60H28ExUw

    I. Background Facts and Proceedings.

    Around 1 a.m., an Ankeny resident called
    the local police to report that a car
    alarm sounded in the resident's
    neighborhood. The city dispatched a police
    officer to the location. Observing nothing
    unusual, the officer left the area, only
    to be stopped a couple of blocks later
    by a person who informed the officer he
    had witnessed someone running from the
    area of the car alarm. As the officer
    started driving back to the area of the
    car alarm, he noticed a person walking
    on the sidewalk. The officer asked the
    person, a minor, if he had noticed anybody
    running from the area. The minor answered
    that he had not. While the officer and
    another officer were speaking to the minor,
    another resident of the neighborhood
    arrived in her car and informed the
    officers that she had observed two people,
    one of whom was heavy set with a blinking
    light on his back pocket, walking in the
    area of her neighbor's residence. She
    observed the heavier-set individual, later
    identified as Wills, enter her neighbor's
    attached garage through an unlocked service
    door. She further observed a smaller
    individual standing by a van parked in
    the neighbor's driveway.

    The officers eventually let the minor leave
    even though they found a large amount of
    coins, a flashlight, and an electronic
    pocket organizer in his pockets. After
    releasing the minor, the police officers
    drove to the residence where the neighbor
    observed the two suspicious people and
    woke the owner. The owner, his wife,
    and two daughters were in the residence
    sleeping at the time. After a search
    of his vehicles, the owner discovered
    change and an electronic pocket organizer
    were missing from the vehicles. The
    owner's daughter reported a diamond ring
    and some change were missing from her
    vehicle. The officers then contacted
    the minor's parents, who informed the
    officers the minor was with Wills. After
    the officers questioned the minor again,
    he admitted his involvement in the theft
    and implicated Wills in the burglary.
    Although Wills denied involvement in the
    burglary, the officers arrested him.

    The State filed a trial information
    charging Wills with second-degree
    burglary. The State later amended the
    information to include two additional
    charges of burglary in the third degree
    and using a juvenile to commit an
    indictable offense.

    The jury returned a verdict finding Wills
    guilty of the crimes of burglary in the
    second degree, burglary in the third
    degree, and using a juvenile to commit
    an indictable offense. Wills appeals his
    conviction for second-degree burglary
    claiming ineffective assistance of
    counsel.

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  • From Rich@21:1/5 to All on Wed Oct 9 11:39:29 2024
    XPost: alt.california, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.home.repair
    XPost: rec.food.cooking, sci.environment

    In article <ve65v2$2ma88$5@dont-email.me>, robberbaron@invalid.ut says...

    K Wills wrote:
    There is NO valid, verifiable, credible evidence offered.


    https://casetext.com/case/state-v-wills-26

    https://groups.google.com/g/rec.autos.misc/c/Ou60H28ExUw

    I. Background Facts and Proceedings.

    Around 1 a.m., an Ankeny resident called
    the local police to report that a car
    alarm sounded in the resident's
    neighborhood. The city dispatched a police
    officer to the location. Observing nothing
    unusual, the officer left the area, only
    to be stopped a couple of blocks later
    by a person who informed the officer he
    had witnessed someone running from the
    area of the car alarm. As the officer
    started driving back to the area of the
    car alarm, he noticed a person walking
    on the sidewalk. The officer asked the
    person, a minor, if he had noticed anybody
    running from the area. The minor answered
    that he had not. While the officer and
    another officer were speaking to the minor,
    another resident of the neighborhood
    arrived in her car and informed the
    officers that she had observed two people,
    one of whom was heavy set with a blinking
    light on his back pocket, walking in the
    area of her neighbor's residence. She
    observed the heavier-set individual, later
    identified as Wills, enter her neighbor's
    attached garage through an unlocked service
    door. She further observed a smaller
    individual standing by a van parked in
    the neighbor's driveway.

    The officers eventually let the minor leave
    even though they found a large amount of
    coins, a flashlight, and an electronic
    pocket organizer in his pockets. After
    releasing the minor, the police officers
    drove to the residence where the neighbor
    observed the two suspicious people and
    woke the owner. The owner, his wife,
    and two daughters were in the residence
    sleeping at the time. After a search
    of his vehicles, the owner discovered
    change and an electronic pocket organizer
    were missing from the vehicles. The
    owner's daughter reported a diamond ring
    and some change were missing from her
    vehicle. The officers then contacted
    the minor's parents, who informed the
    officers the minor was with Wills. After
    the officers questioned the minor again,
    he admitted his involvement in the theft
    and implicated Wills in the burglary.
    Although Wills denied involvement in the
    burglary, the officers arrested him.

    The State filed a trial information
    charging Wills with second-degree
    burglary. The State later amended the
    information to include two additional
    charges of burglary in the third degree
    and using a juvenile to commit an
    indictable offense.

    The jury returned a verdict finding Wills
    guilty of the crimes of burglary in the
    second degree, burglary in the third
    degree, and using a juvenile to commit
    an indictable offense. Wills appeals his
    conviction for second-degree burglary
    claiming ineffective assistance of
    counsel.


    https://alt.food.fast-food.narkive.com/xueVAawP/kwills-admits-to-being-a-a-convicted-child-molester-and-registered-sex-offender

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  • From K Wills@21:1/5 to governor.swill@gmail.com on Thu Oct 10 02:39:44 2024
    XPost: rec.food.cooking, alt.home.repair, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
    XPost: alt.california, sci.environment

    On Wed, 09 Oct 2024 10:29:17 -0400, Governor Swill
    <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Wed, 09 Oct 2024 03:27:50 -0500, K Wills <kw63@kw63.kw> wrote:

    On Tue, 8 Oct 2024 10:19:14 -0600, Hiram Panguitch <lds@example.ut>
    wrote:

    On 10/8/2024 1:39 AM, K Wills wrote:
    On Mon, 07 Oct 24 11:02:55 UTC, Jamaal Bowman
    <jamaal.bowman@dumpster-fire.guv> wrote:

    T wrote:
    The big question is why do Californians constantly vote
    these folks back in office.

    The majority of private-sector people are not that stupid.

    The polls are run by Democrat politicians and their minions. They stole >>>>> the 2020 and they'll steal the 2024.

    If they stole the 2020 election, why has no valid, verifiable,
    credible evidence of it been made known?

    It has, oh garage burgling shill, you and your Dem state liars simply >>>want it to go away.
    https://100percentfedup.com/watch-mike-lindell-live-absolute-proof-documentary-on-voter-fraud-video/

    [...]

    There is NO valid, verifiable, credible evidence offered. Just >>Lindell's claims with nothing true and accurate behind them.

    Lindell is welcher, a liar and a cheat.

    In other breaking news, fire is hot :)

    He claimed he had "evidence" of
    election rigging that turned out to be from Tina Peters' illegal accessing of a
    Dominion voting machine in Colorado. From that data, he spun a tale of election
    rigging and in 2021 offered five million to anybody who could disprove his >"evidence". Robert Zeidman took up the challenge expecting to confirm the data
    that he, incorrectly, assumed Lindell had thoroughly vetted but found the >evidence was fake after all.

    GASP! Lindell lied?
    There is NO credible, valid, verifiable evidence the election was
    stolen. Since it wasn't, the lack of evidence showing it was should
    not come as a surprise.


    <https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/judge-says-mike-lindell-must-pay-5-million-man-won-prove-mike-wrong-ch-rcna139986>
    <https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/03/us/politics/tina-peters-sentence-colorado.html>

    To date, Lindell has not paid off despite both arbitration and the court finding
    in Zeidman's favor.

    And he never will.
    No one was supposed to question Lindell's claims. Let alone
    challenge them. Everyone was supposed to be as stump stupid as Hiram
    (and assorted other nyms) and accept the lies as 100% true.


    Lindell claims his pillow company is doing well (it's not) but he has no money,
    just his house and his pickup truck. Meanwhile the judge has authorized Zeidman
    to start collections of five mil plus interest.

    A lien can be placed on Lindell's property, real and personal. I
    don't think Zeidman will see a penny even with that. But it will
    hamper Lindell a bit.


    Trumplings: Losing everywhere.

    PS: Lindell originally stated that any disputes would be arbitrated, but when >they found for Zeidman, Lindell refused to be bound by his own arbitrator and >Zeidman was forced to take him to court.

    I'm not the least bit surprised.

    --
    KWills
    Strategic Writer,
    Psychotronic World Dominator.
    And FEMA camp counselor.

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  • From K Wills@21:1/5 to robberbaron@invalid.ut on Thu Oct 10 02:40:30 2024
    XPost: rec.food.cooking, alt.home.repair, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
    XPost: alt.california, sci.environment

    On Wed, 9 Oct 2024 08:47:10 -0600, Mittens Romney
    <robberbaron@invalid.ut> wrote:

    K Wills wrote:
    Way to admit you got caught in a lie.

    Corrupt any minors latel

    ibid.

    When you've been caught in a lie, you ALWAYS use this same method
    to announce you have been caught. Even if the information were about
    me, it has nothing to do with your LIE about Swill making death
    threats.
    Keep posting the same lies in an effort to divert from your
    lying. Or run away from the truth. You will do one of them, since I've commanded you to do so.

    --
    KWills
    Strategic Writer,
    Psychotronic World Dominator.
    And FEMA camp counselor.

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  • From Lil dwarf Rudey@21:1/5 to Governor Swill on Wed Oct 16 13:07:43 2024
    XPost: alt.california, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.home.repair

    Governor Swill wrote:
    On Mon, 14 Oct 2024 03:11:05 -0500, K Wills <kw63@kw63.kw> wrote:

    On Sun, 13 Oct 2024 15:49:40 -0000 (UTC), BeamMeUpScotty
    <let.trump.rape.you@blackhole.nebulax.com> wrote:

    Is Greg Abbott still keeping illegals around to work in his mansion?

    DeSantitard was told to stop you know.

    Armed robbery and murders have soared in the violent, republican
    controlled, red states.

    [...]

    So who are you? Your post is too well formulated and written to
    be Scotty. He has trouble getting above a fourth grade level.

    Probably Rudy. He has a reputation for posting using nyms of past posters presumed dead. You'll see him on occasion, asking if poster 'so-and-so' is dead.


    Yes Rudey, we see you doing that all the time, including your forgery in
    this post - Governor Swill.

    He died of AIDS in Atlanta several years back.

    You're fucking INSANE!


    Governor Swill /Rudy Canoza/Lou Bricano/J Carlson/Michael A
    Terrell/Chris Ahlstrom/Intelligent Party/Alan Bond/Henry Bodkin/Malte
    Runz/Paul S Perso and a few dozen or even more other socks wrote:

    Multiple death threats against Trump: --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    Path: eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!border-1.nntp.ord.giganews.com!border-2.nntp.ord.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!news-out.netnews.com!netnews.com!s1-4.netnews.com!peer01.iad!feed-me.highwinds-media.com!news.
    highwinds-media.com!fx10.iad.POSTED!not-for-mail
    From: Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com>
    Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,alt.politics,alt.politics.usa,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,alt.elections
    Subject: Re: Triumphant Trump Photo After Assassination Attempt
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    Oh poor me I got shot at ...

    Swill ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------


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    Cheer up, maybe someone else will try.

    Swill

    ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    From: J Carlson <j_carlson@gmx.com>
    Newsgroups: alt.politics.immigration,alt.politics.nationalism.white,talk.politics.misc,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
    Subject: Re: AP Lies by Ommission About Identity of Invaders Charged with
    Rape, Murder of 12-Year-Old
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    No. I am a patriotic American who wants the country and its people to
    thrive. Getting rid of Trump permanently
    is an important step to getting there.

    -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------


    That constitutes a DEATH THREAT against a former President, Rudey:


    https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/871
    18 U.S. Code § 871 - Threats against President and successors to the Presidency
    U.S. Code
    Notes
    prev | next
    (a)Whoever knowingly and willfully deposits for conveyance in the mail
    or for a delivery from any post office or by any letter carrier any
    letter, paper, writing, print, missive, or document containing any
    threat to take the life of, to kidnap, or to inflict bodily harm upon
    the President of the United States, the President-elect, the Vice
    President or other officer next in the order of succession to the office
    of President of the United States, or the Vice President-elect, or
    knowingly and willfully otherwise makes any such threat against the
    President, President-elect, Vice President or other officer next in the
    order of succession to the office of President, or Vice President-elect,
    shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years,
    or both.
    (b)The terms “President-elect” and “Vice President-elect” as used in this section shall mean such persons as are the apparent successful
    candidates for the offices of President and Vice President,
    respectively, as ascertained from the results of the general elections
    held to determine the electors of President and Vice President in
    accordance with title 3, United States Code, sections 1 and 2. The
    phrase “other officer next in the order of succession to the office of President” as used in this section shall mean the person next in the
    order of succession to act as President in accordance with title 3,
    United States Code, sections 19 and 20.
    (June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 740; June 1, 1955, ch. 115, § 1, 69
    Stat. 80; Pub. L. 87–829, § 1, Oct. 15, 1962, 76 Stat. 956; Pub. L. 97–297, § 2, Oct. 12, 1982, 96 Stat. 1318; Pub. L. 103–322, title XXXIII, § 330016(1)(H), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2147.)

    9-65.200 - Threats Against the President and Successors to the
    Presidency; Threats Against Former Presidents; and Certain Other Secret
    Service Protectees
    The Counterterrorism Section of the National Security Division has
    supervisory authority over 18 U.S.C. §§ 871 and 879 cases. As great
    caution must be taken in matters relating to the security of the persons protected by 18 U.S.C. § 871, United States Attorneys are encouraged to consult with the Counterterrorism Section (CTS) of the National Security Division when they have doubts on the prosecutive merit of a case. For
    the same reason, dismissal of complaints under 18 U.S.C. § 871, when the defendant is in custody under the Mental Incompetency Statutes (18
    U.S.C. §§ 4244, 4246), requires approval from CTS. In other cases,
    United States Attorneys must consult prior to dismissing a count
    involving, or entering into any sentence commitment or other case
    settlement involving a § 871 charge.


    https://www.secretservice.gov/newsroom/releases/2024/01/phoenix-man-arrested-making-online-death-threats-against-president-and

    PHOENIX –David Michael Hanson, 41, of Phoenix, was arrested on Wednesday
    for making online threats against the President and Vice-President.
    Hanson was charged by Federal criminal complaint on Tuesday with five
    counts of Threats Against the President and Successors to the Presidency
    and five counts of Interstate Communication of Threats.

    The complaint alleges that in November and December of 2023, while
    living in Arizona, Hanson used a social media platform to post threats
    to murder the President and Vice President of the United States. On
    November 19, 2023, Hanson posted online a series of threatening
    statements including one that stated, “#joeAndKamala I’m asking you to resign on Monday your alternative is death brutally murdered.” After the
    U.S. Secret Service spoke to Hanson and warned him that it was a Federal
    crime to post such threats, on December 23, 2023, Hanson posted another
    series of similar threats aimed at the President and Vice-President.

    Each count of Threats Against the President and Successors to the
    Presidency carries a maximum sentence of five years in prison, a fine of
    up to $250,000, and up to three years of supervised release. Each count
    of Interstate Communication of Threats carries a maximum sentence of
    five years in prison, a fine of up to $250,000, and up to three years of supervised release.

    A complaint is simply a method by which a person is charged with
    criminal activity and raises no inference of guilt. An individual is
    presumed innocent until evidence is presented to a jury that establishes
    guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.

    The United States Secret Service is conducting the investigation in this
    case. The United States Attorney’s Office, District of Arizona, is
    handling the prosecution.


    Those can be reported here:

    https://tips.fbi.gov/home

    https://www.justice.gov/action-center/report-crime-or-submit-complaint

    https://www.secretservice.gov/contact

    https://www.dhs.gov/see-something-say-something/reporting/california


    Fellow citizens, won't you join in ending Rudey's usenet terrorism here?

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  • From K Wills@21:1/5 to governor.swill@gmail.com on Thu Oct 17 02:41:47 2024
    XPost: alt.california, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.home.repair

    On Wed, 16 Oct 2024 11:41:31 -0400, Governor Swill
    <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Mon, 14 Oct 2024 03:11:05 -0500, K Wills <kw63@kw63.kw> wrote:

    On Sun, 13 Oct 2024 15:49:40 -0000 (UTC), BeamMeUpScotty >><let.trump.rape.you@blackhole.nebulax.com> wrote:

    Is Greg Abbott still keeping illegals around to work in his mansion?

    DeSantitard was told to stop you know.

    Armed robbery and murders have soared in the violent, republican >>>controlled, red states.

    [...]

    So who are you? Your post is too well formulated and written to
    be Scotty. He has trouble getting above a fourth grade level.

    Probably Rudy. He has a reputation for posting using nyms of past posters >presumed dead. You'll see him on occasion, asking if poster 'so-and-so' is >dead.

    I don't know Rudy. At least not by that name.
    Scotty is still posting. Just under different nyms.

    --
    KWills
    Strategic Writer,
    Psychotronic World Dominator.
    And FEMA camp counselor.

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  • From Chris Ahlstrom@21:1/5 to Tampon Timmy on Wed Oct 23 06:57:42 2024
    XPost: alt.california, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.home.repair

    Tampon Timmy wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

    K Wills wrote:
    On Tue, 22 Oct 2024 15:15:16 -0400, Alexandria Ocrazyo-Vortex
    <aov@bartenders.guv> wrote:

    K Wills wrote:
    For the record, I don't know what the perfect solution would be.
    The cheapest solution would be to air freight them back to the shithole
    they came from.
    The *cheapest* solution would be to do nothing. No cost
    associated with that. But it's not a good solution.

    The cost of doing nothing is increased home and auto insurance premiums.
    And we all pay for shoplifters too.

    Removing feral illegals from society is the best long-term solution.

    How about feral Usenet trolls? Take a bow, bwah.

    --
    At once it struck me what quality went to form a man of achievement,
    especially in literature, and which Shakespeare possessed so enormously
    -- I mean negative capability, that is, when a man is capable of being
    in uncertainties, mysteries, doubts, without any irritable reaching
    after fact and reason.
    -- John Keats

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  • From Skeeter@21:1/5 to All on Wed Oct 23 05:33:21 2024
    XPost: alt.california, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.home.repair

    In article <vfakrs$20ev1$4@dont-email.me>, OFeem1987@teleworm.us says...

    Tampon Timmy wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

    K Wills wrote:
    On Tue, 22 Oct 2024 15:15:16 -0400, Alexandria Ocrazyo-Vortex
    <aov@bartenders.guv> wrote:

    K Wills wrote:
    For the record, I don't know what the perfect solution would be.
    The cheapest solution would be to air freight them back to the shithole >>> they came from.
    The *cheapest* solution would be to do nothing. No cost
    associated with that. But it's not a good solution.

    The cost of doing nothing is increased home and auto insurance premiums. And we all pay for shoplifters too.

    Removing feral illegals from society is the best long-term solution.

    How about feral Usenet trolls? Take a bow, bwah.

    No refute so he spins it around.

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  • From K Wills@21:1/5 to governor.swill@gmail.com on Thu Oct 24 03:13:10 2024
    XPost: alt.california, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.home.repair

    On Wed, 23 Oct 2024 23:02:28 -0400, Governor Swill
    <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tue, 22 Oct 2024 02:56:27 -0500, K Wills <kw63@kw63.kw> wrote:

    On Mon, 21 Oct 2024 13:03:05 +0000, Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com> >>wrote:

    [...]

    It did almost zero to stop illegal immigration.


    And the alternative plan is....?

    Reinstate the Trump policies Joe Biden rescinded on day one because
    they were working.


    Trump policies.....like his wall?

    LOL!



    People are climbing over Trump's border
    wall with $5 ladders, report says
    Apr 22 2020

    So they couldn't just walk through?
    A wall isn't a perfect solution, but it's better than nothing.
    For the record, I don't know what the perfect solution would be.

    Assimilating them into the economy and culture instead of segregating them into
    their own foreign language communities?

    If they come here legally, yes.

    --
    KWills
    Strategic Writer,
    Psychotronic World Dominator.
    And FEMA camp counselor.

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  • From K Wills@21:1/5 to tampon.timmy@bonus-hole.boy on Thu Oct 24 03:12:22 2024
    XPost: alt.california, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.home.repair

    On Wed, 23 Oct 2024 06:08:07 -0400, Tampon Timmy
    <tampon.timmy@bonus-hole.boy> wrote:

    K Wills wrote:
    On Tue, 22 Oct 2024 15:15:16 -0400, Alexandria Ocrazyo-Vortex
    <aov@bartenders.guv> wrote:

    K Wills wrote:
    For the record, I don't know what the perfect solution would be.
    The cheapest solution would be to air freight them back to the shithole
    they came from.
    The *cheapest* solution would be to do nothing. No cost
    associated with that. But it's not a good solution.

    --


    The cost of doing nothing is increased home and auto insurance premiums.
    And we all pay for shoplifters too.

    Removing feral illegals from society is the best long-term solution.

    People born in the U.S, or here legally, can cause increases in
    premiums. And can shoplift as well.

    --
    KWills
    Strategic Writer,
    Psychotronic World Dominator.
    And FEMA camp counselor.

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  • From Mittens Romney@21:1/5 to K Wills on Thu Oct 10 13:58:47 2024
    XPost: rec.food.cooking, alt.home.repair, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
    XPost: alt.california, sci.environment

    K Wills wrote:
    I'm not the least bit surprised.


    https://casetext.com/case/state-v-wills-26

    https://groups.google.com/g/rec.autos.misc/c/Ou60H28ExUw

    I. Background Facts and Proceedings.

    Around 1 a.m., an Ankeny resident called
    the local police to report that a car
    alarm sounded in the resident's
    neighborhood. The city dispatched a police
    officer to the location. Observing nothing
    unusual, the officer left the area, only
    to be stopped a couple of blocks later
    by a person who informed the officer he
    had witnessed someone running from the
    area of the car alarm. As the officer
    started driving back to the area of the
    car alarm, he noticed a person walking
    on the sidewalk. The officer asked the
    person, a minor, if he had noticed anybody
    running from the area. The minor answered
    that he had not. While the officer and
    another officer were speaking to the minor,
    another resident of the neighborhood
    arrived in her car and informed the
    officers that she had observed two people,
    one of whom was heavy set with a blinking
    light on his back pocket, walking in the
    area of her neighbor's residence. She
    observed the heavier-set individual, later
    identified as Wills, enter her neighbor's
    attached garage through an unlocked service
    door. She further observed a smaller
    individual standing by a van parked in
    the neighbor's driveway.

    The officers eventually let the minor leave
    even though they found a large amount of
    coins, a flashlight, and an electronic
    pocket organizer in his pockets. After
    releasing the minor, the police officers
    drove to the residence where the neighbor
    observed the two suspicious people and
    woke the owner. The owner, his wife,
    and two daughters were in the residence
    sleeping at the time. After a search
    of his vehicles, the owner discovered
    change and an electronic pocket organizer
    were missing from the vehicles. The
    owner's daughter reported a diamond ring
    and some change were missing from her
    vehicle. The officers then contacted
    the minor's parents, who informed the
    officers the minor was with Wills. After
    the officers questioned the minor again,
    he admitted his involvement in the theft
    and implicated Wills in the burglary.
    Although Wills denied involvement in the
    burglary, the officers arrested him.

    The State filed a trial information
    charging Wills with second-degree
    burglary. The State later amended the
    information to include two additional
    charges of burglary in the third degree
    and using a juvenile to commit an
    indictable offense.

    The jury returned a verdict finding Wills
    guilty of the crimes of burglary in the
    second degree, burglary in the third
    degree, and using a juvenile to commit
    an indictable offense. Wills appeals his
    conviction for second-degree burglary
    claiming ineffective assistance of
    counsel.

    --
    ⛨ 🥐🥖🗼🤪

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  • From Mittens Romney@21:1/5 to K Wills on Thu Oct 10 14:00:50 2024
    XPost: rec.food.cooking, alt.home.repair, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
    XPost: alt.california, sci.environment

    K Wills wrote:
    On Wed, 9 Oct 2024 08:47:10 -0600, Mittens Romney
    <robberbaron@invalid.ut> wrote:

    K Wills wrote:
    Way to admit you got caught in a lie.

    Corrupt any minors latel

    ibid.

    When you've been caught in a lie, you ALWAYS use this same method
    to announce you have been caught.

    When your seamy past is replayed here you always project it upon the respondent.

    It never works, but what else can you do?

    Admit to corrupting a minor and doing time in a halfway house?

    No, for some reason you can't come clean on that, even though the court
    record is unambiguous on your conviction:


    https://casetext.com/case/state-v-wills-26

    https://groups.google.com/g/rec.autos.misc/c/Ou60H28ExUw

    I. Background Facts and Proceedings.

    Around 1 a.m., an Ankeny resident called
    the local police to report that a car
    alarm sounded in the resident's
    neighborhood. The city dispatched a police
    officer to the location. Observing nothing
    unusual, the officer left the area, only
    to be stopped a couple of blocks later
    by a person who informed the officer he
    had witnessed someone running from the
    area of the car alarm. As the officer
    started driving back to the area of the
    car alarm, he noticed a person walking
    on the sidewalk. The officer asked the
    person, a minor, if he had noticed anybody
    running from the area. The minor answered
    that he had not. While the officer and
    another officer were speaking to the minor,
    another resident of the neighborhood
    arrived in her car and informed the
    officers that she had observed two people,
    one of whom was heavy set with a blinking
    light on his back pocket, walking in the
    area of her neighbor's residence. She
    observed the heavier-set individual, later
    identified as Wills, enter her neighbor's
    attached garage through an unlocked service
    door. She further observed a smaller
    individual standing by a van parked in
    the neighbor's driveway.

    The officers eventually let the minor leave
    even though they found a large amount of
    coins, a flashlight, and an electronic
    pocket organizer in his pockets. After
    releasing the minor, the police officers
    drove to the residence where the neighbor
    observed the two suspicious people and
    woke the owner. The owner, his wife,
    and two daughters were in the residence
    sleeping at the time. After a search
    of his vehicles, the owner discovered
    change and an electronic pocket organizer
    were missing from the vehicles. The
    owner's daughter reported a diamond ring
    and some change were missing from her
    vehicle. The officers then contacted
    the minor's parents, who informed the
    officers the minor was with Wills. After
    the officers questioned the minor again,
    he admitted his involvement in the theft
    and implicated Wills in the burglary.
    Although Wills denied involvement in the
    burglary, the officers arrested him.

    The State filed a trial information
    charging Wills with second-degree
    burglary. The State later amended the
    information to include two additional
    charges of burglary in the third degree
    and using a juvenile to commit an
    indictable offense.

    The jury returned a verdict finding Wills
    guilty of the crimes of burglary in the
    second degree, burglary in the third
    degree, and using a juvenile to commit
    an indictable offense. Wills appeals his
    conviction for second-degree burglary
    claiming ineffective assistance of
    counsel.


    --
    ⛨ 🥐🥖🗼🤪

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  • From Mittens Romney@21:1/5 to K Wills on Thu Oct 10 14:01:41 2024
    XPost: rec.food.cooking, alt.home.repair, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
    XPost: alt.california, sci.environment

    K Wills wrote:
    Way to admit you got caught in a lie.

    When your seamy past is replayed you always project it upon the respondent.


    https://casetext.com/case/state-v-wills-26

    https://groups.google.com/g/rec.autos.misc/c/Ou60H28ExUw

    I. Background Facts and Proceedings.

    Around 1 a.m., an Ankeny resident called
    the local police to report that a car
    alarm sounded in the resident's
    neighborhood. The city dispatched a police
    officer to the location. Observing nothing
    unusual, the officer left the area, only
    to be stopped a couple of blocks later
    by a person who informed the officer he
    had witnessed someone running from the
    area of the car alarm. As the officer
    started driving back to the area of the
    car alarm, he noticed a person walking
    on the sidewalk. The officer asked the
    person, a minor, if he had noticed anybody
    running from the area. The minor answered
    that he had not. While the officer and
    another officer were speaking to the minor,
    another resident of the neighborhood
    arrived in her car and informed the
    officers that she had observed two people,
    one of whom was heavy set with a blinking
    light on his back pocket, walking in the
    area of her neighbor's residence. She
    observed the heavier-set individual, later
    identified as Wills, enter her neighbor's
    attached garage through an unlocked service
    door. She further observed a smaller
    individual standing by a van parked in
    the neighbor's driveway.

    The officers eventually let the minor leave
    even though they found a large amount of
    coins, a flashlight, and an electronic
    pocket organizer in his pockets. After
    releasing the minor, the police officers
    drove to the residence where the neighbor
    observed the two suspicious people and
    woke the owner. The owner, his wife,
    and two daughters were in the residence
    sleeping at the time. After a search
    of his vehicles, the owner discovered
    change and an electronic pocket organizer
    were missing from the vehicles. The
    owner's daughter reported a diamond ring
    and some change were missing from her
    vehicle. The officers then contacted
    the minor's parents, who informed the
    officers the minor was with Wills. After
    the officers questioned the minor again,
    he admitted his involvement in the theft
    and implicated Wills in the burglary.
    Although Wills denied involvement in the
    burglary, the officers arrested him.

    The State filed a trial information
    charging Wills with second-degree
    burglary. The State later amended the
    information to include two additional
    charges of burglary in the third degree
    and using a juvenile to commit an
    indictable offense.

    The jury returned a verdict finding Wills
    guilty of the crimes of burglary in the
    second degree, burglary in the third
    degree, and using a juvenile to commit
    an indictable offense. Wills appeals his
    conviction for second-degree burglary
    claiming ineffective assistance of
    counsel.

    --
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  • From Mittens Romney@21:1/5 to K Wills on Thu Oct 10 14:02:00 2024
    XPost: rec.food.cooking, alt.home.repair, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
    XPost: alt.california, sci.environment

    K Wills wrote:
    There is NO valid, verifiable, credible evidence offered.

    When your seamy past is replayed you always project it upon the respondent.


    https://casetext.com/case/state-v-wills-26

    https://groups.google.com/g/rec.autos.misc/c/Ou60H28ExUw

    I. Background Facts and Proceedings.

    Around 1 a.m., an Ankeny resident called
    the local police to report that a car
    alarm sounded in the resident's
    neighborhood. The city dispatched a police
    officer to the location. Observing nothing
    unusual, the officer left the area, only
    to be stopped a couple of blocks later
    by a person who informed the officer he
    had witnessed someone running from the
    area of the car alarm. As the officer
    started driving back to the area of the
    car alarm, he noticed a person walking
    on the sidewalk. The officer asked the
    person, a minor, if he had noticed anybody
    running from the area. The minor answered
    that he had not. While the officer and
    another officer were speaking to the minor,
    another resident of the neighborhood
    arrived in her car and informed the
    officers that she had observed two people,
    one of whom was heavy set with a blinking
    light on his back pocket, walking in the
    area of her neighbor's residence. She
    observed the heavier-set individual, later
    identified as Wills, enter her neighbor's
    attached garage through an unlocked service
    door. She further observed a smaller
    individual standing by a van parked in
    the neighbor's driveway.

    The officers eventually let the minor leave
    even though they found a large amount of
    coins, a flashlight, and an electronic
    pocket organizer in his pockets. After
    releasing the minor, the police officers
    drove to the residence where the neighbor
    observed the two suspicious people and
    woke the owner. The owner, his wife,
    and two daughters were in the residence
    sleeping at the time. After a search
    of his vehicles, the owner discovered
    change and an electronic pocket organizer
    were missing from the vehicles. The
    owner's daughter reported a diamond ring
    and some change were missing from her
    vehicle. The officers then contacted
    the minor's parents, who informed the
    officers the minor was with Wills. After
    the officers questioned the minor again,
    he admitted his involvement in the theft
    and implicated Wills in the burglary.
    Although Wills denied involvement in the
    burglary, the officers arrested him.

    The State filed a trial information
    charging Wills with second-degree
    burglary. The State later amended the
    information to include two additional
    charges of burglary in the third degree
    and using a juvenile to commit an
    indictable offense.

    The jury returned a verdict finding Wills
    guilty of the crimes of burglary in the
    second degree, burglary in the third
    degree, and using a juvenile to commit
    an indictable offense. Wills appeals his
    conviction for second-degree burglary
    claiming ineffective assistance of
    counsel.

    --
    ⛨ 🥐🥖🗼🤪

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  • From Lil dwarf Rudey@21:1/5 to Governor Swill on Thu Oct 10 14:02:49 2024
    XPost: rec.food.cooking, alt.home.repair, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
    XPost: alt.california, sci.environment

    Governor Swill wrote:
    Trumplings: Losing everywhere.

    Why are you prosecution exempt so far?

    Let's change that.


    Governor Swill /Rudy Canoza/Lou Bricano/J Carlson/Michael A
    Terrell/Chris Ahlstrom/Intelligent Party/Alan Bond and a few dozen other
    socks wrote:

    Multiple death threats against Trump: --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

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    Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,alt.politics,alt.politics.usa,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,alt.elections
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    Oh poor me I got shot at ...

    Swill ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------


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    Cheer up, maybe someone else will try.

    Swill

    ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    From: J Carlson <j_carlson@gmx.com>
    Newsgroups: alt.politics.immigration,alt.politics.nationalism.white,talk.politics.misc,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
    Subject: Re: AP Lies by Ommission About Identity of Invaders Charged with
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    No. I am a patriotic American who wants the country and its people to
    thrive. Getting rid of Trump permanently
    is an important step to getting there.

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    That constitutes a DEATH THREAT against a former President, Rudey:


    https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/871
    18 U.S. Code § 871 - Threats against President and successors to the Presidency
    U.S. Code
    Notes
    prev | next
    (a)Whoever knowingly and willfully deposits for conveyance in the mail
    or for a delivery from any post office or by any letter carrier any
    letter, paper, writing, print, missive, or document containing any
    threat to take the life of, to kidnap, or to inflict bodily harm upon
    the President of the United States, the President-elect, the Vice
    President or other officer next in the order of succession to the office
    of President of the United States, or the Vice President-elect, or
    knowingly and willfully otherwise makes any such threat against the
    President, President-elect, Vice President or other officer next in the
    order of succession to the office of President, or Vice President-elect,
    shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years,
    or both.
    (b)The terms “President-elect” and “Vice President-elect” as used in this section shall mean such persons as are the apparent successful
    candidates for the offices of President and Vice President,
    respectively, as ascertained from the results of the general elections
    held to determine the electors of President and Vice President in
    accordance with title 3, United States Code, sections 1 and 2. The
    phrase “other officer next in the order of succession to the office of President” as used in this section shall mean the person next in the
    order of succession to act as President in accordance with title 3,
    United States Code, sections 19 and 20.
    (June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 740; June 1, 1955, ch. 115, § 1, 69
    Stat. 80; Pub. L. 87–829, § 1, Oct. 15, 1962, 76 Stat. 956; Pub. L. 97–297, § 2, Oct. 12, 1982, 96 Stat. 1318; Pub. L. 103–322, title XXXIII, § 330016(1)(H), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2147.)

    9-65.200 - Threats Against the President and Successors to the
    Presidency; Threats Against Former Presidents; and Certain Other Secret
    Service Protectees
    The Counterterrorism Section of the National Security Division has
    supervisory authority over 18 U.S.C. §§ 871 and 879 cases. As great
    caution must be taken in matters relating to the security of the persons protected by 18 U.S.C. § 871, United States Attorneys are encouraged to consult with the Counterterrorism Section (CTS) of the National Security Division when they have doubts on the prosecutive merit of a case. For
    the same reason, dismissal of complaints under 18 U.S.C. § 871, when the defendant is in custody under the Mental Incompetency Statutes (18
    U.S.C. §§ 4244, 4246), requires approval from CTS. In other cases,
    United States Attorneys must consult prior to dismissing a count
    involving, or entering into any sentence commitment or other case
    settlement involving a § 871 charge.


    https://www.secretservice.gov/newsroom/releases/2024/01/phoenix-man-arrested-making-online-death-threats-against-president-and

    PHOENIX –David Michael Hanson, 41, of Phoenix, was arrested on Wednesday
    for making online threats against the President and Vice-President.
    Hanson was charged by Federal criminal complaint on Tuesday with five
    counts of Threats Against the President and Successors to the Presidency
    and five counts of Interstate Communication of Threats.

    The complaint alleges that in November and December of 2023, while
    living in Arizona, Hanson used a social media platform to post threats
    to murder the President and Vice President of the United States. On
    November 19, 2023, Hanson posted online a series of threatening
    statements including one that stated, “#joeAndKamala I’m asking you to resign on Monday your alternative is death brutally murdered.” After the
    U.S. Secret Service spoke to Hanson and warned him that it was a Federal
    crime to post such threats, on December 23, 2023, Hanson posted another
    series of similar threats aimed at the President and Vice-President.

    Each count of Threats Against the President and Successors to the
    Presidency carries a maximum sentence of five years in prison, a fine of
    up to $250,000, and up to three years of supervised release. Each count
    of Interstate Communication of Threats carries a maximum sentence of
    five years in prison, a fine of up to $250,000, and up to three years of supervised release.

    A complaint is simply a method by which a person is charged with
    criminal activity and raises no inference of guilt. An individual is
    presumed innocent until evidence is presented to a jury that establishes
    guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.

    The United States Secret Service is conducting the investigation in this
    case. The United States Attorney’s Office, District of Arizona, is
    handling the prosecution.


    Those can be reported here:

    https://tips.fbi.gov/home

    https://www.justice.gov/action-center/report-crime-or-submit-complaint

    https://www.secretservice.gov/contact

    https://www.dhs.gov/see-something-say-something/reporting/california


    Fellow citizens, won't you join in ending Rudey's terrorism here?

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  • From Lil dwarf Rudey@21:1/5 to Chris Ahlstrom on Thu Oct 10 14:03:08 2024
    XPost: rec.food.cooking, alt.home.repair, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
    XPost: alt.california, sci.environment

    Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
    <who the fsck cares?>
    *PLONK*

    Why are you prosecution exempt so far?

    Let's change that.


    Governor Swill /Rudy Canoza/Lou Bricano/J Carlson/Michael A
    Terrell/Chris Ahlstrom/Intelligent Party/Alan Bond and a few dozen other
    socks wrote:

    Multiple death threats against Trump: --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    Path: eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!border-1.nntp.ord.giganews.com!border-2.nntp.ord.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!news-out.netnews.com!netnews.com!s1-4.netnews.com!peer01.iad!feed-me.highwinds-media.com!news.
    highwinds-media.com!fx10.iad.POSTED!not-for-mail
    From: Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com>
    Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,alt.politics,alt.politics.usa,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,alt.elections
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    Oh poor me I got shot at ...

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    Cheer up, maybe someone else will try.

    Swill

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    No. I am a patriotic American who wants the country and its people to
    thrive. Getting rid of Trump permanently
    is an important step to getting there.

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    That constitutes a DEATH THREAT against a former President, Rudey:


    https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/871
    18 U.S. Code § 871 - Threats against President and successors to the Presidency
    U.S. Code
    Notes
    prev | next
    (a)Whoever knowingly and willfully deposits for conveyance in the mail
    or for a delivery from any post office or by any letter carrier any
    letter, paper, writing, print, missive, or document containing any
    threat to take the life of, to kidnap, or to inflict bodily harm upon
    the President of the United States, the President-elect, the Vice
    President or other officer next in the order of succession to the office
    of President of the United States, or the Vice President-elect, or
    knowingly and willfully otherwise makes any such threat against the
    President, President-elect, Vice President or other officer next in the
    order of succession to the office of President, or Vice President-elect,
    shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years,
    or both.
    (b)The terms “President-elect” and “Vice President-elect” as used in this section shall mean such persons as are the apparent successful
    candidates for the offices of President and Vice President,
    respectively, as ascertained from the results of the general elections
    held to determine the electors of President and Vice President in
    accordance with title 3, United States Code, sections 1 and 2. The
    phrase “other officer next in the order of succession to the office of President” as used in this section shall mean the person next in the
    order of succession to act as President in accordance with title 3,
    United States Code, sections 19 and 20.
    (June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 740; June 1, 1955, ch. 115, § 1, 69
    Stat. 80; Pub. L. 87–829, § 1, Oct. 15, 1962, 76 Stat. 956; Pub. L. 97–297, § 2, Oct. 12, 1982, 96 Stat. 1318; Pub. L. 103–322, title XXXIII, § 330016(1)(H), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2147.)

    9-65.200 - Threats Against the President and Successors to the
    Presidency; Threats Against Former Presidents; and Certain Other Secret
    Service Protectees
    The Counterterrorism Section of the National Security Division has
    supervisory authority over 18 U.S.C. §§ 871 and 879 cases. As great
    caution must be taken in matters relating to the security of the persons protected by 18 U.S.C. § 871, United States Attorneys are encouraged to consult with the Counterterrorism Section (CTS) of the National Security Division when they have doubts on the prosecutive merit of a case. For
    the same reason, dismissal of complaints under 18 U.S.C. § 871, when the defendant is in custody under the Mental Incompetency Statutes (18
    U.S.C. §§ 4244, 4246), requires approval from CTS. In other cases,
    United States Attorneys must consult prior to dismissing a count
    involving, or entering into any sentence commitment or other case
    settlement involving a § 871 charge.


    https://www.secretservice.gov/newsroom/releases/2024/01/phoenix-man-arrested-making-online-death-threats-against-president-and

    PHOENIX –David Michael Hanson, 41, of Phoenix, was arrested on Wednesday
    for making online threats against the President and Vice-President.
    Hanson was charged by Federal criminal complaint on Tuesday with five
    counts of Threats Against the President and Successors to the Presidency
    and five counts of Interstate Communication of Threats.

    The complaint alleges that in November and December of 2023, while
    living in Arizona, Hanson used a social media platform to post threats
    to murder the President and Vice President of the United States. On
    November 19, 2023, Hanson posted online a series of threatening
    statements including one that stated, “#joeAndKamala I’m asking you to resign on Monday your alternative is death brutally murdered.” After the
    U.S. Secret Service spoke to Hanson and warned him that it was a Federal
    crime to post such threats, on December 23, 2023, Hanson posted another
    series of similar threats aimed at the President and Vice-President.

    Each count of Threats Against the President and Successors to the
    Presidency carries a maximum sentence of five years in prison, a fine of
    up to $250,000, and up to three years of supervised release. Each count
    of Interstate Communication of Threats carries a maximum sentence of
    five years in prison, a fine of up to $250,000, and up to three years of supervised release.

    A complaint is simply a method by which a person is charged with
    criminal activity and raises no inference of guilt. An individual is
    presumed innocent until evidence is presented to a jury that establishes
    guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.

    The United States Secret Service is conducting the investigation in this
    case. The United States Attorney’s Office, District of Arizona, is
    handling the prosecution.


    Those can be reported here:

    https://tips.fbi.gov/home

    https://www.justice.gov/action-center/report-crime-or-submit-complaint

    https://www.secretservice.gov/contact

    https://www.dhs.gov/see-something-say-something/reporting/california


    Fellow citizens, won't you join in ending Rudey's terrorism here?

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  • From Mittens Romney@21:1/5 to K Wills on Thu Oct 10 14:04:37 2024
    XPost: rec.food.cooking, alt.home.repair, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
    XPost: alt.california, sci.environment

    K Wills wrote:
    I've not seen Swill threaten anyone. But I admit I
    don't reading everything he posts.

    When your seamy past is replayed here you always project it upon the respondent.

    It never works, but what else can you do?

    Admit to corrupting a minor and doing time in a halfway house?

    No, for some reason you can't come clean on that, even though the court
    record is unambiguous on your conviction:


    https://casetext.com/case/state-v-wills-26

    https://groups.google.com/g/rec.autos.misc/c/Ou60H28ExUw

    I. Background Facts and Proceedings.

    Around 1 a.m., an Ankeny resident called
    the local police to report that a car
    alarm sounded in the resident's
    neighborhood. The city dispatched a police
    officer to the location. Observing nothing
    unusual, the officer left the area, only
    to be stopped a couple of blocks later
    by a person who informed the officer he
    had witnessed someone running from the
    area of the car alarm. As the officer
    started driving back to the area of the
    car alarm, he noticed a person walking
    on the sidewalk. The officer asked the
    person, a minor, if he had noticed anybody
    running from the area. The minor answered
    that he had not. While the officer and
    another officer were speaking to the minor,
    another resident of the neighborhood
    arrived in her car and informed the
    officers that she had observed two people,
    one of whom was heavy set with a blinking
    light on his back pocket, walking in the
    area of her neighbor's residence. She
    observed the heavier-set individual, later
    identified as Wills, enter her neighbor's
    attached garage through an unlocked service
    door. She further observed a smaller
    individual standing by a van parked in
    the neighbor's driveway.

    The officers eventually let the minor leave
    even though they found a large amount of
    coins, a flashlight, and an electronic
    pocket organizer in his pockets. After
    releasing the minor, the police officers
    drove to the residence where the neighbor
    observed the two suspicious people and
    woke the owner. The owner, his wife,
    and two daughters were in the residence
    sleeping at the time. After a search
    of his vehicles, the owner discovered
    change and an electronic pocket organizer
    were missing from the vehicles. The
    owner's daughter reported a diamond ring
    and some change were missing from her
    vehicle. The officers then contacted
    the minor's parents, who informed the
    officers the minor was with Wills. After
    the officers questioned the minor again,
    he admitted his involvement in the theft
    and implicated Wills in the burglary.
    Although Wills denied involvement in the
    burglary, the officers arrested him.

    The State filed a trial information
    charging Wills with second-degree
    burglary. The State later amended the
    information to include two additional
    charges of burglary in the third degree
    and using a juvenile to commit an
    indictable offense.

    The jury returned a verdict finding Wills
    guilty of the crimes of burglary in the
    second degree, burglary in the third
    degree, and using a juvenile to commit
    an indictable offense. Wills appeals his
    conviction for second-degree burglary
    claiming ineffective assistance of
    counsel.

    --
    ⛨ 🥐🥖🗼🤪

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  • From Mittens Romney@21:1/5 to K Wills on Thu Oct 10 14:05:05 2024
    XPost: rec.food.cooking, alt.home.repair, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
    XPost: alt.california, sci.environment

    K Wills wrote:
    Or is the lack of evidence the proof? Ya know, it must be true
    since the PTB worked so hard to destroy the evidence.

    When your seamy Iowa past is replayed here you always project it upon
    the respondent.

    It never works, but what else can you do?

    Admit to corrupting a minor and doing time in a halfway house?

    No, for some reason you can't come clean on that, even though the court
    record is unambiguous on your conviction:


    https://casetext.com/case/state-v-wills-26

    https://groups.google.com/g/rec.autos.misc/c/Ou60H28ExUw

    I. Background Facts and Proceedings.

    Around 1 a.m., an Ankeny resident called
    the local police to report that a car
    alarm sounded in the resident's
    neighborhood. The city dispatched a police
    officer to the location. Observing nothing
    unusual, the officer left the area, only
    to be stopped a couple of blocks later
    by a person who informed the officer he
    had witnessed someone running from the
    area of the car alarm. As the officer
    started driving back to the area of the
    car alarm, he noticed a person walking
    on the sidewalk. The officer asked the
    person, a minor, if he had noticed anybody
    running from the area. The minor answered
    that he had not. While the officer and
    another officer were speaking to the minor,
    another resident of the neighborhood
    arrived in her car and informed the
    officers that she had observed two people,
    one of whom was heavy set with a blinking
    light on his back pocket, walking in the
    area of her neighbor's residence. She
    observed the heavier-set individual, later
    identified as Wills, enter her neighbor's
    attached garage through an unlocked service
    door. She further observed a smaller
    individual standing by a van parked in
    the neighbor's driveway.

    The officers eventually let the minor leave
    even though they found a large amount of
    coins, a flashlight, and an electronic
    pocket organizer in his pockets. After
    releasing the minor, the police officers
    drove to the residence where the neighbor
    observed the two suspicious people and
    woke the owner. The owner, his wife,
    and two daughters were in the residence
    sleeping at the time. After a search
    of his vehicles, the owner discovered
    change and an electronic pocket organizer
    were missing from the vehicles. The
    owner's daughter reported a diamond ring
    and some change were missing from her
    vehicle. The officers then contacted
    the minor's parents, who informed the
    officers the minor was with Wills. After
    the officers questioned the minor again,
    he admitted his involvement in the theft
    and implicated Wills in the burglary.
    Although Wills denied involvement in the
    burglary, the officers arrested him.

    The State filed a trial information
    charging Wills with second-degree
    burglary. The State later amended the
    information to include two additional
    charges of burglary in the third degree
    and using a juvenile to commit an
    indictable offense.

    The jury returned a verdict finding Wills
    guilty of the crimes of burglary in the
    second degree, burglary in the third
    degree, and using a juvenile to commit
    an indictable offense. Wills appeals his
    conviction for second-degree burglary
    claiming ineffective assistance of
    counsel.

    --
    ⛨ 🥐🥖🗼🤪

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  • From K Wills@21:1/5 to robberbaron@invalid.ut on Fri Oct 11 03:00:53 2024
    XPost: rec.food.cooking, alt.home.repair, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
    XPost: alt.california, sci.environment

    On Thu, 10 Oct 2024 14:00:50 -0600, Mittens Romney
    <robberbaron@invalid.ut> wrote:

    K Wills wrote:
    On Wed, 9 Oct 2024 08:47:10 -0600, Mittens Romney
    <robberbaron@invalid.ut> wrote:

    K Wills wrote:
    Way to admit you got caught in a lie.

    Corrupt any minors latel

    ibid.

    When you've been caught in a lie, you ALWAYS use this same method
    to announce you have been caught.

    When your seamy past is replayed here you always project it upon the >respondent.

    Ibid.

    --
    KWills
    Strategic Writer,
    Psychotronic World Dominator.
    And FEMA camp counselor.

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  • From K Wills@21:1/5 to robberbaron@invalid.ut on Fri Oct 11 03:01:05 2024
    XPost: rec.food.cooking, alt.home.repair, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
    XPost: alt.california, sci.environment

    On Thu, 10 Oct 2024 14:02:00 -0600, Mittens Romney
    <robberbaron@invalid.ut> wrote:

    K Wills wrote:
    There is NO valid, verifiable, credible evidence offered.

    When your seamy past is replayed you always project it upon the respondent.

    Ibid.

    --
    KWills
    Strategic Writer,
    Psychotronic World Dominator.
    And FEMA camp counselor.

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  • From Pierre Delecto Romney@21:1/5 to Governor Swill on Thu Oct 17 11:57:06 2024
    XPost: alt.california, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.home.repair

    Governor Swill wrote:
    Probably Rudy. He has a reputation for posting using nyms of past posters presumed dead. You'll see him on occasion, asking if poster 'so-and-so' is dead.

    Closing your presence out soon, little man ball:

    https://x.com/JoshWalkos/status/1846949635018940587

    Now why would the Pentagon want to “create deepfake internet users”?

    Wouldn’t that be “misinformation” and a “threat to our democracy”?

    The answer is, yes it would, and that’s the entire point with these ghouls. --
    ⛨ 🥐🥖🗼🤪

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  • From Lil dwarf Rudey@21:1/5 to K Wills on Thu Oct 17 16:20:14 2024
    XPost: alt.california, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.home.repair

    K Wills wrote:
    I don't know Rudy. At least not by that name.

    How's your old buddy Ken Smith doing?

    Ken Smith
    25/06/2006 22:26:35 UTC
    All:

    If Larson is getting this much traction, perhaps it is high time that

    the BLFC rides again. We won't have to get involved beyond that, since

    our friends at Trinity Foundation has complete Larson files -- they have

    been monitoring him for quite some time -- but we need to put a stop to

    his sudden surge in apparent credibility in the secular press.

    Whoever has archived the website, please let me know what the URLs

    are via e-mail, so that I can include actual page references in the

    release.

    A cheap press release ought to cost $50-100, and will be archived on the

    'Net for basically forever.

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  • From K Wills@21:1/5 to robberbaron@invalid.ut on Fri Oct 18 03:24:33 2024
    XPost: alt.california, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.home.repair

    On Thu, 17 Oct 2024 11:57:06 -0600, Pierre Delecto Romney <robberbaron@invalid.ut> wrote:

    Governor Swill wrote:
    Probably Rudy. He has a reputation for posting using nyms of past posters >> presumed dead. You'll see him on occasion, asking if poster 'so-and-so' is >> dead.

    Closing your presence out soon, little man ball:


    What does any of this have to do with Swill and/or Rudy?

    https://x.com/JoshWalkos/status/1846949635018940587

    Now why would the Pentagon want to ôcreate deepfake internet usersö?


    To gather intelligence. AI "users" may find it easier to glean
    information from various forums.

    WouldnÆt that be ômisinformationö

    An argument can be made.

    and a ôthreat to our democracyö?

    No.


    The answer is, yes it would, and thatÆs the entire point with these ghouls.

    How would the gathering of intelligence be a threat to our
    democracy? I honestly don't see it.

    --
    KWills
    Strategic Writer,
    Psychotronic World Dominator.
    And FEMA camp counselor.

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  • From Tampon Timmy@21:1/5 to K Wills on Fri Oct 18 06:02:37 2024
    XPost: alt.california, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.home.repair

    K Wills wrote:
    How would the gathering of intelligence be a threat to our
    democracy? I honestly don't see it.

    As currently implemented, AI is Artificial Ignorance.

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  • From Al Burt Boarla@21:1/5 to K Wills on Thu Oct 24 07:06:27 2024
    XPost: alt.california, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.home.repair

    K Wills wrote:
    On Wed, 23 Oct 2024 06:08:07 -0400, Tampon Timmy <tampon.timmy@bonus-hole.boy> wrote:

    K Wills wrote:
    On Tue, 22 Oct 2024 15:15:16 -0400, Alexandria Ocrazyo-Vortex
    <aov@bartenders.guv> wrote:

    K Wills wrote:
    For the record, I don't know what the perfect solution would be.
    The cheapest solution would be to air freight them back to the shithole >>>> they came from.
    The *cheapest* solution would be to do nothing. No cost
    associated with that. But it's not a good solution.

    --

    The cost of doing nothing is increased home and auto insurance premiums.
    And we all pay for shoplifters too.

    Removing feral illegals from society is the best long-term solution.
    People born in the U.S, or here legally, can cause increases in premiums. And can shoplift as well.

    --
    KWills
    Strategic Writer,
    Psychotronic World Dominator.
    And FEMA camp counselor.

    If you find rodents in your cellar do you open the door and let more in?

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  • From Tampon Timmy@21:1/5 to K Wills on Thu Oct 24 06:54:47 2024
    XPost: alt.california, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.home.repair

    K Wills wrote:
    On Wed, 23 Oct 2024 23:10:48 -0400, Governor Swill
    <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Wed, 23 Oct 2024 02:53:06 -0500, K Wills <kw63@kw63.kw> wrote:

    On Tue, 22 Oct 2024 06:24:59 -0400, Kimberly Cheatle Roofing wrote:

    Governor Swill wrote:
    Funny how Republicans keep complaining that all these Republican authored plans
    don't do anything to stop illegal immigration.
    Why isn't your border czar doing her job?
    Who is this "border czar," and when did it become an actual
    position?
    The position was invented by right wing media after Biden sent Harris on a >> diplomatic mission to south of the border to work with heads of state on
    reducing immigration to the US.
    Ah... It's fictional. Now I understand.

    --
    KWills
    Strategic Writer,
    Psychotronic World Dominator.
    And FEMA camp counselor.

    She was officially tasked by President Biden on March 24, 2021, “to lead
    our efforts with Mexico and the Northern Triangle…in stemming the
    movement of…migration to our southern border.”

    "https://homeland.house.gov/2024/08/09/border-czar-kamala-harris-unburdened-herself-of-responsibility-to-secure-the-country-chairman-green-in-ny-post/"

    You are entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts.

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  • From Mitchell Holman@21:1/5 to K Wills on Thu Oct 24 12:58:52 2024
    XPost: alt.california, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh

    K Wills <kw63@kw63.kw> wrote in news:8b0khjhgodsq4urmbptof9g51rdc1pr22f@4ax.com:

    On Wed, 23 Oct 2024 23:02:28 -0400, Governor Swill
    <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tue, 22 Oct 2024 02:56:27 -0500, K Wills <kw63@kw63.kw> wrote:

    On Mon, 21 Oct 2024 13:03:05 +0000, Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com> >>>wrote:

    [...]

    It did almost zero to stop illegal immigration.


    And the alternative plan is....?

    Reinstate the Trump policies Joe Biden rescinded on day one
    because they were working.


    Trump policies.....like his wall?

    LOL!



    People are climbing over Trump's border
    wall with $5 ladders, report says
    Apr 22 2020

    So they couldn't just walk through?
    A wall isn't a perfect solution, but it's better than nothing.
    For the record, I don't know what the perfect solution would be.

    Assimilating them into the economy and culture instead of segregating
    them into their own foreign language communities?

    If they come here legally, yes.


    So just legalize them.



    "I believe in the idea of amnesty for those
    who have put down roots and lived here, even
    though sometime back they may have entered
    illegally"
    Ronald Reagan, granting amnesty to all illegal
    immigrants, 1986

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  • From Mitchell Holman@21:1/5 to Governor Swill on Thu Oct 24 12:57:11 2024
    XPost: alt.california, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh

    Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in news:q3ejhj1dh373g85acipm4dr9coo9v0pl5a@4ax.com:

    On Tue, 22 Oct 2024 02:56:27 -0500, K Wills <kw63@kw63.kw> wrote:

    On Mon, 21 Oct 2024 13:03:05 +0000, Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com> >>wrote:

    [...]

    It did almost zero to stop illegal immigration.


    And the alternative plan is....?

    Reinstate the Trump policies Joe Biden rescinded on day one because
    they were working.


    Trump policies.....like his wall?

    LOL!



    People are climbing over Trump's border
    wall with $5 ladders, report says
    Apr 22 2020

    So they couldn't just walk through?
    A wall isn't a perfect solution, but it's better than nothing.
    For the record, I don't know what the perfect solution would be.

    Assimilating them into the economy and culture instead of segregating
    them into their own foreign language communities?


    Some of us remember the xenophobic outrage
    when Ford settled thousands of Vietnamese
    refugees across America. Five years their new
    neighbors grew to like them, appreciated their
    hard work, and just accepted them as neighbors.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Mitchell Holman@21:1/5 to K Wills on Thu Oct 24 13:00:57 2024
    XPost: alt.california, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh

    K Wills <kw63@kw63.kw> wrote in news:pc0khj5ho2tanpepej7ul8fnb186iiha57@ 4ax.com:

    On Wed, 23 Oct 2024 23:04:08 -0400, Governor Swill
    <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tue, 22 Oct 2024 15:15:16 -0400, Alexandria Ocrazyo-Vortex >><aov@bartenders.guv> wrote:

    K Wills wrote:
    For the record, I don't know what the perfect solution would be.

    The cheapest solution would be to air freight them back to the shithole >>>they came from.

    Should we punch holes in your crate before we ship you back to Europe?

    Did Alexandria come to the U.S. illegally?


    Like Melania did?



    Melania Trump was an undocumented working model
    Nov 4 2016

    Melania Trump, the wife of the Republican nominee
    Donald Trump, was paid for 10 modeling jobs in the
    United States in 1996 before obtaining the necessary
    documents to legally work in the country, the
    Associated Press reported Friday.

    The report, which AP says is based on accounting
    ledgers, contracts and other related documents,
    comes one day after Melania Trump delivered her
    first speech in the campaign since the Republican
    National Convention.

    https://tinyurl.com/yabppx7y

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Skeeter@21:1/5 to All on Thu Oct 24 07:56:02 2024
    XPost: alt.california, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh

    In article <XnsB215506D1F6C2629555@185.151.15.190>, noemail@aol.com
    says...

    Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in news:q3ejhj1dh373g85acipm4dr9coo9v0pl5a@4ax.com:

    On Tue, 22 Oct 2024 02:56:27 -0500, K Wills <kw63@kw63.kw> wrote:

    On Mon, 21 Oct 2024 13:03:05 +0000, Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com> >>wrote:

    [...]

    It did almost zero to stop illegal immigration.


    And the alternative plan is....?

    Reinstate the Trump policies Joe Biden rescinded on day one because
    they were working.


    Trump policies.....like his wall?

    LOL!



    People are climbing over Trump's border
    wall with $5 ladders, report says
    Apr 22 2020

    So they couldn't just walk through?
    A wall isn't a perfect solution, but it's better than nothing.
    For the record, I don't know what the perfect solution would be.

    Assimilating them into the economy and culture instead of segregating
    them into their own foreign language communities?


    Some of us remember the xenophobic outrage
    when Ford settled thousands of Vietnamese
    refugees across America. Five years their new
    neighbors grew to like them, appreciated their
    hard work, and just accepted them as neighbors.

    Still living in the past?

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Skeeter@21:1/5 to All on Thu Oct 24 07:52:32 2024
    XPost: alt.california, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh

    In article <XnsB2155110A767629555@185.151.15.190>, noemail@aol.com
    says...

    K Wills <kw63@kw63.kw> wrote in news:pc0khj5ho2tanpepej7ul8fnb186iiha57@ 4ax.com:

    On Wed, 23 Oct 2024 23:04:08 -0400, Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tue, 22 Oct 2024 15:15:16 -0400, Alexandria Ocrazyo-Vortex >><aov@bartenders.guv> wrote:

    K Wills wrote:
    For the record, I don't know what the perfect solution would be.

    The cheapest solution would be to air freight them back to the shithole >>>they came from.

    Should we punch holes in your crate before we ship you back to Europe?

    Did Alexandria come to the U.S. illegally?


    Like Melania did?



    Melania Trump was an undocumented working model
    Nov 4 2016

    Melania Trump, the wife of the Republican nominee
    Donald Trump, was paid for 10 modeling jobs in the
    United States in 1996 before obtaining the necessary
    documents to legally work in the country, the
    Associated Press reported Friday.

    The report, which AP says is based on accounting
    ledgers, contracts and other related documents,
    comes one day after Melania Trump delivered her
    first speech in the campaign since the Republican
    National Convention.

    https://tinyurl.com/yabppx7y

    BUTWHATABOUT

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Mitchell Holman@21:1/5 to Skeeter on Thu Oct 24 17:34:27 2024
    XPost: alt.california, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh

    Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in news:671a51f4$1$14 $882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:

    In article <XnsB21550B5E6845629555@185.151.15.190>, noemail@aol.com
    says...

    K Wills <kw63@kw63.kw> wrote in
    news:8b0khjhgodsq4urmbptof9g51rdc1pr22f@4ax.com:

    On Wed, 23 Oct 2024 23:02:28 -0400, Governor Swill
    <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tue, 22 Oct 2024 02:56:27 -0500, K Wills <kw63@kw63.kw> wrote:

    On Mon, 21 Oct 2024 13:03:05 +0000, Mitchell Holman
    <noemail@aol.com>
    wrote:

    [...]

    It did almost zero to stop illegal immigration.


    And the alternative plan is....?

    Reinstate the Trump policies Joe Biden rescinded on day one
    because they were working.


    Trump policies.....like his wall?

    LOL!



    People are climbing over Trump's border
    wall with $5 ladders, report says
    Apr 22 2020

    So they couldn't just walk through?
    A wall isn't a perfect solution, but it's better than nothing.
    For the record, I don't know what the perfect solution would be.

    Assimilating them into the economy and culture instead of
    segregating
    them into their own foreign language communities?

    If they come here legally, yes.


    So just legalize them.
    Nope. If they cross anywhere besides a legal point they are breaking
    the
    law. Send them back.



    At $10,000 each.

    Who is going to pay that?

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Skeeter@21:1/5 to All on Thu Oct 24 15:27:25 2024
    XPost: alt.california, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh

    In article <XnsB2157F6F4FDB4629555@185.151.15.190>, noemail@aol.com
    says...

    Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in news:671a51f4$1$14 $882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:

    In article <XnsB21550B5E6845629555@185.151.15.190>, noemail@aol.com
    says...

    K Wills <kw63@kw63.kw> wrote in
    news:8b0khjhgodsq4urmbptof9g51rdc1pr22f@4ax.com:

    On Wed, 23 Oct 2024 23:02:28 -0400, Governor Swill
    <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tue, 22 Oct 2024 02:56:27 -0500, K Wills <kw63@kw63.kw> wrote:

    On Mon, 21 Oct 2024 13:03:05 +0000, Mitchell Holman
    <noemail@aol.com>
    wrote:

    [...]

    It did almost zero to stop illegal immigration.


    And the alternative plan is....?

    Reinstate the Trump policies Joe Biden rescinded on day one
    because they were working.


    Trump policies.....like his wall?

    LOL!



    People are climbing over Trump's border
    wall with $5 ladders, report says
    Apr 22 2020

    So they couldn't just walk through?
    A wall isn't a perfect solution, but it's better than nothing.
    For the record, I don't know what the perfect solution would be.

    Assimilating them into the economy and culture instead of
    segregating
    them into their own foreign language communities?

    If they come here legally, yes.


    So just legalize them.
    Nope. If they cross anywhere besides a legal point they are breaking
    the
    law. Send them back.



    At $10,000 each.

    Who is going to pay that?

    You don't mind feeding and housing them. Bus tickets aren't that
    expensive.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Mitchell Holman@21:1/5 to Skeeter on Fri Oct 25 01:33:31 2024
    XPost: alt.california, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh

    Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in news:671abb84$4$2761$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:

    In article <XnsB2157F6F4FDB4629555@185.151.15.190>, noemail@aol.com
    says...

    Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in news:671a51f4$1$14
    $882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:

    In article <XnsB21550B5E6845629555@185.151.15.190>, noemail@aol.com
    says...

    K Wills <kw63@kw63.kw> wrote in
    news:8b0khjhgodsq4urmbptof9g51rdc1pr22f@4ax.com:

    On Wed, 23 Oct 2024 23:02:28 -0400, Governor Swill
    <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tue, 22 Oct 2024 02:56:27 -0500, K Wills <kw63@kw63.kw>
    wrote:

    On Mon, 21 Oct 2024 13:03:05 +0000, Mitchell Holman
    <noemail@aol.com>
    wrote:

    [...]

    It did almost zero to stop illegal immigration.


    And the alternative plan is....?

    Reinstate the Trump policies Joe Biden rescinded on day one
    because they were working.


    Trump policies.....like his wall?

    LOL!



    People are climbing over Trump's border
    wall with $5 ladders, report says
    Apr 22 2020

    So they couldn't just walk through?
    A wall isn't a perfect solution, but it's better than
    nothing.
    For the record, I don't know what the perfect solution would
    be.

    Assimilating them into the economy and culture instead of
    segregating
    them into their own foreign language communities?

    If they come here legally, yes.


    So just legalize them.
    Nope. If they cross anywhere besides a legal point they are
    breaking
    the
    law. Send them back.



    At $10,000 each.

    Who is going to pay that?

    You don't mind feeding and housing them.


    I don't mind seeing doing the tough
    jobs Americans don't want.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From K Wills@21:1/5 to al.burt.boarla@myocarditis.vax on Fri Oct 25 02:01:55 2024
    XPost: alt.california, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.home.repair

    On Thu, 24 Oct 2024 07:06:27 -0400, Al Burt Boarla <al.burt.boarla@myocarditis.vax> wrote:

    K Wills wrote:
    On Wed, 23 Oct 2024 06:08:07 -0400, Tampon Timmy
    <tampon.timmy@bonus-hole.boy> wrote:

    K Wills wrote:
    On Tue, 22 Oct 2024 15:15:16 -0400, Alexandria Ocrazyo-Vortex
    <aov@bartenders.guv> wrote:

    K Wills wrote:
    For the record, I don't know what the perfect solution would be.
    The cheapest solution would be to air freight them back to the shithole >>>>> they came from.
    The *cheapest* solution would be to do nothing. No cost
    associated with that. But it's not a good solution.

    --

    The cost of doing nothing is increased home and auto insurance premiums. >>> And we all pay for shoplifters too.

    Removing feral illegals from society is the best long-term solution.
    People born in the U.S, or here legally, can cause increases in
    premiums. And can shoplift as well.

    If you find rodents in your cellar do you open the door and let more in?

    No. You find how they got in and do what you can to prevent it in
    the future.
    But that has NOTHING to do with my reply to Timmy. Your attempt
    to divert has failed.

    --
    KWills
    Strategic Writer,
    Psychotronic World Dominator.
    And FEMA camp counselor.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From K Wills@21:1/5 to tampon.timmy@bonus-hole.boy on Fri Oct 25 02:01:41 2024
    XPost: alt.california, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.home.repair

    On Thu, 24 Oct 2024 06:54:47 -0400, Tampon Timmy
    <tampon.timmy@bonus-hole.boy> wrote:

    K Wills wrote:
    On Wed, 23 Oct 2024 23:10:48 -0400, Governor Swill
    <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Wed, 23 Oct 2024 02:53:06 -0500, K Wills <kw63@kw63.kw> wrote:

    On Tue, 22 Oct 2024 06:24:59 -0400, Kimberly Cheatle Roofing wrote:

    Governor Swill wrote:
    Funny how Republicans keep complaining that all these Republican authored plans
    don't do anything to stop illegal immigration.
    Why isn't your border czar doing her job?
    Who is this "border czar," and when did it become an actual
    position?
    The position was invented by right wing media after Biden sent Harris on a >>> diplomatic mission to south of the border to work with heads of state on >>> reducing immigration to the US.
    Ah... It's fictional. Now I understand.

    --
    KWills
    Strategic Writer,
    Psychotronic World Dominator.
    And FEMA camp counselor.

    She was officially tasked by President Biden on March 24, 2021, ôto lead
    our efforts with Mexico and the Northern Triangleàin stemming the
    movement ofàmigration to our southern border.ö

    "https://homeland.house.gov/2024/08/09/border-czar-kamala-harris-unburdened-herself-of-responsibility-to-secure-the-country-chairman-green-in-ny-post/"

    You are entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts.


    What facts of my own are presented?
    The cite you offer presents the title in scare quotes. Indicating
    that it's NOT true. But having passed fifth grade, you know that.
    So why, exactly, are you presenting your own facts, while making
    it far too easy to prove false? I really do want to know. Not that I
    actually expect any kind of honest answer from you.

    --
    KWills
    Strategic Writer,
    Psychotronic World Dominator.
    And FEMA camp counselor.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From K Wills@21:1/5 to All on Fri Oct 25 02:02:17 2024
    XPost: alt.california, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh

    On Thu, 24 Oct 2024 12:57:11 +0000, Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com>
    wrote:

    Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in >news:q3ejhj1dh373g85acipm4dr9coo9v0pl5a@4ax.com:

    On Tue, 22 Oct 2024 02:56:27 -0500, K Wills <kw63@kw63.kw> wrote:

    On Mon, 21 Oct 2024 13:03:05 +0000, Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com> >>>wrote:

    [...]

    It did almost zero to stop illegal immigration.


    And the alternative plan is....?

    Reinstate the Trump policies Joe Biden rescinded on day one because
    they were working.


    Trump policies.....like his wall?

    LOL!



    People are climbing over Trump's border
    wall with $5 ladders, report says
    Apr 22 2020

    So they couldn't just walk through?
    A wall isn't a perfect solution, but it's better than nothing.
    For the record, I don't know what the perfect solution would be.

    Assimilating them into the economy and culture instead of segregating
    them into their own foreign language communities?


    Some of us remember the xenophobic outrage
    when Ford settled thousands of Vietnamese
    refugees across America. Five years their new
    neighbors grew to like them, appreciated their
    hard work, and just accepted them as neighbors.

    But they were, and are, here legally. Legal aliens doesn't appear
    to be the issue.

    --
    KWills
    Strategic Writer,
    Psychotronic World Dominator.
    And FEMA camp counselor.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From K Wills@21:1/5 to All on Fri Oct 25 02:03:09 2024
    XPost: alt.california, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh

    On Thu, 24 Oct 2024 17:34:27 +0000, Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com>
    wrote:

    Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in news:671a51f4$1$14 >$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:

    In article <XnsB21550B5E6845629555@185.151.15.190>, noemail@aol.com
    says...

    K Wills <kw63@kw63.kw> wrote in
    news:8b0khjhgodsq4urmbptof9g51rdc1pr22f@4ax.com:

    On Wed, 23 Oct 2024 23:02:28 -0400, Governor Swill
    <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tue, 22 Oct 2024 02:56:27 -0500, K Wills <kw63@kw63.kw> wrote:

    On Mon, 21 Oct 2024 13:03:05 +0000, Mitchell Holman
    <noemail@aol.com>
    wrote:

    [...]

    It did almost zero to stop illegal immigration.


    And the alternative plan is....?

    Reinstate the Trump policies Joe Biden rescinded on day one
    because they were working.


    Trump policies.....like his wall?

    LOL!



    People are climbing over Trump's border
    wall with $5 ladders, report says
    Apr 22 2020

    So they couldn't just walk through?
    A wall isn't a perfect solution, but it's better than nothing.
    For the record, I don't know what the perfect solution would be.

    Assimilating them into the economy and culture instead of
    segregating
    them into their own foreign language communities?

    If they come here legally, yes.


    So just legalize them.
    Nope. If they cross anywhere besides a legal point they are breaking
    the
    law. Send them back.


    At $10,000 each.

    Who is going to pay that?

    Whoever is paying to deport people now.
    Hint: That's the tax payers.

    --
    KWills
    Strategic Writer,
    Psychotronic World Dominator.
    And FEMA camp counselor.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Mittens Romney@21:1/5 to K Wills on Fri Oct 11 10:51:00 2024
    XPost: rec.food.cooking, alt.home.repair, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
    XPost: alt.california, sci.environment

    K Wills wrote:
    When your seamy past is replayed you always project it upon the respondent.
    Ibid.


    https://casetext.com/case/state-v-wills-26

    https://groups.google.com/g/rec.autos.misc/c/Ou60H28ExUw
    --
    ⛨ 🥐🥖🗼🤪

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Mittens Romney@21:1/5 to K Wills on Fri Oct 11 10:50:21 2024
    XPost: rec.food.cooking, alt.home.repair, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
    XPost: alt.california, sci.environment

    K Wills wrote:
    When your seamy past is replayed here you always project it upon the
    respondent.
    Ibid.


    https://casetext.com/case/state-v-wills-26

    https://groups.google.com/g/rec.autos.misc/c/Ou60H28ExUw
    --
    ⛨ 🥐🥖🗼🤪

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Mittens Romney@21:1/5 to K Wills on Fri Oct 11 10:52:03 2024
    XPost: rec.food.cooking, alt.home.repair, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
    XPost: alt.california, sci.environment

    K Wills wrote:
    When your seamy Iowa past is replayed here you always project it upon
    the respondent.
    Ibid.


    Ipso nutso boi:

    https://casetext.com/case/state-v-wills-26

    https://groups.google.com/g/rec.autos.misc/c/Ou60H28ExUw
    --
    ⛨ 🥐🥖🗼🤪

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Pierre Delecto Romney@21:1/5 to Tampon Timmy on Fri Oct 18 09:46:58 2024
    XPost: alt.california, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.home.repair

    Tampon Timmy wrote:
    K Wills wrote:
    How would the gathering of intelligence be a threat to our
    democracy? I honestly don't see it.

    As currently implemented, AI is Artificial Ignorance.

    Amen!

    Programmed by morons to dupe morons.

    --
    ⛨ 🥐🥖🗼🤪

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Pierre Delecto Romney@21:1/5 to K Wills on Fri Oct 18 09:46:34 2024
    XPost: alt.california, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.home.repair

    K Wills wrote:
    and a “threat to our democracy”?
    No.

    The answer is, yes it would, and that’s the entire point with these ghouls.
    How would the gathering of intelligence be a threat to our
    democracy? I honestly don't see it.

    How was the IRS used to gather information on and persecute the
    patriotic enemies of Obammy?

    Lois Lerner much, clownshow?

    --
    ⛨ 🥐🥖🗼🤪

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Pierre Delecto Romney@21:1/5 to Governor Swill on Fri Oct 18 15:24:23 2024
    XPost: alt.california, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.home.repair

    Governor Swill wrote:
    not under his own?

    You forging fuckwit.

    ...now exposing your agency origins and goobermint posting shields,
    little man Ball/glowie:

    https://x.com/JoshWalkos/status/1846949635018940587

    Now why would the Pentagon want to “create deepfake internet users”?

    Wouldn’t that be “misinformation” and a “threat to our democracy”?

    The answer is, yes it would, and that’s the entire point with these ghouls
    --
    ⛨ 🥐🥖🗼🤪

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From K Wills@21:1/5 to robberbaron@invalid.ut on Sat Oct 19 03:03:16 2024
    XPost: alt.california, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.home.repair

    On Fri, 18 Oct 2024 09:46:34 -0600, Pierre Delecto Romney <robberbaron@invalid.ut> wrote:

    K Wills wrote:
    and a ôthreat to our democracyö?
    No.

    The answer is, yes it would, and thatÆs the entire point with these ghouls. >> How would the gathering of intelligence be a threat to our
    democracy? I honestly don't see it.

    How was the IRS used to gather information on and persecute the
    patriotic enemies of Obammy?


    It wasn't.
    Now please explain, as requested above.

    Lois Lerner much, clownshow?

    Fear truth and honesty much?
    Spoiler: You do!

    --
    KWills
    Strategic Writer,
    Psychotronic World Dominator.
    And FEMA camp counselor.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From K Wills@21:1/5 to tampon.timmy@bonus-hole.boy on Sat Oct 19 03:03:05 2024
    XPost: alt.california, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.home.repair

    On Fri, 18 Oct 2024 06:02:37 -0400, Tampon Timmy
    <tampon.timmy@bonus-hole.boy> wrote:

    K Wills wrote:
    How would the gathering of intelligence be a threat to our
    democracy? I honestly don't see it.

    As currently implemented, AI is Artificial Ignorance.

    I can't really argue against that.

    --
    KWills
    Strategic Writer,
    Psychotronic World Dominator.
    And FEMA camp counselor.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From K Wills@21:1/5 to governor.swill@gmail.com on Sat Oct 19 03:03:26 2024
    XPost: alt.california, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.home.repair

    On Fri, 18 Oct 2024 16:14:22 -0400, Governor Swill
    <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Thu, 17 Oct 2024 02:41:47 -0500, K Wills <kw63@kw63.kw> wrote:

    On Wed, 16 Oct 2024 11:41:31 -0400, Governor Swill >><governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Mon, 14 Oct 2024 03:11:05 -0500, K Wills <kw63@kw63.kw> wrote:

    On Sun, 13 Oct 2024 15:49:40 -0000 (UTC), BeamMeUpScotty >>>><let.trump.rape.you@blackhole.nebulax.com> wrote:

    Is Greg Abbott still keeping illegals around to work in his mansion?

    DeSantitard was told to stop you know.

    Armed robbery and murders have soared in the violent, republican >>>>>controlled, red states.

    [...]

    So who are you? Your post is too well formulated and written to
    be Scotty. He has trouble getting above a fourth grade level.

    Probably Rudy. He has a reputation for posting using nyms of past posters >>>presumed dead. You'll see him on occasion, asking if poster 'so-and-so' is >>>dead.

    I don't know Rudy. At least not by that name.
    Scotty is still posting. Just under different nyms.

    But not under his own?

    Not that I've seen for a number of months.

    --
    KWills
    Strategic Writer,
    Psychotronic World Dominator.
    And FEMA camp counselor.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Mitchell Holman@21:1/5 to K Wills on Fri Oct 25 12:43:17 2024
    XPost: alt.california, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh

    K Wills <kw63@kw63.kw> wrote in news:6knmhjhgugp9qpste52rcqvhj4nt1kd7kt@ 4ax.com:

    On Thu, 24 Oct 2024 12:57:11 +0000, Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com>
    wrote:

    Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in >>news:q3ejhj1dh373g85acipm4dr9coo9v0pl5a@4ax.com:

    On Tue, 22 Oct 2024 02:56:27 -0500, K Wills <kw63@kw63.kw> wrote:

    On Mon, 21 Oct 2024 13:03:05 +0000, Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com> >>>>wrote:

    [...]

    It did almost zero to stop illegal immigration.


    And the alternative plan is....?

    Reinstate the Trump policies Joe Biden rescinded on day one
    because
    they were working.


    Trump policies.....like his wall?

    LOL!



    People are climbing over Trump's border
    wall with $5 ladders, report says
    Apr 22 2020

    So they couldn't just walk through?
    A wall isn't a perfect solution, but it's better than nothing.
    For the record, I don't know what the perfect solution would be.

    Assimilating them into the economy and culture instead of segregating
    them into their own foreign language communities?


    Some of us remember the xenophobic outrage
    when Ford settled thousands of Vietnamese
    refugees across America. Five years their new
    neighbors grew to like them, appreciated their
    hard work, and just accepted them as neighbors.

    But they were, and are, here legally. Legal aliens doesn't appear
    to be the issue.


    They are "polluting our blood", says Trump.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Mitchell Holman@21:1/5 to K Wills on Fri Oct 25 12:45:16 2024
    XPost: alt.california, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh

    K Wills <kw63@kw63.kw> wrote in news:sknmhjl48kdeh8ghp4004qkel3m25p85v4@ 4ax.com:

    On Thu, 24 Oct 2024 12:58:52 +0000, Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com>
    wrote:

    K Wills <kw63@kw63.kw> wrote in >>news:8b0khjhgodsq4urmbptof9g51rdc1pr22f@4ax.com:

    On Wed, 23 Oct 2024 23:02:28 -0400, Governor Swill
    <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tue, 22 Oct 2024 02:56:27 -0500, K Wills <kw63@kw63.kw> wrote:

    On Mon, 21 Oct 2024 13:03:05 +0000, Mitchell Holman
    <noemail@aol.com>
    wrote:

    [...]

    It did almost zero to stop illegal immigration.


    And the alternative plan is....?

    Reinstate the Trump policies Joe Biden rescinded on day one
    because they were working.


    Trump policies.....like his wall?

    LOL!



    People are climbing over Trump's border
    wall with $5 ladders, report says
    Apr 22 2020

    So they couldn't just walk through?
    A wall isn't a perfect solution, but it's better than nothing. >>>>>For the record, I don't know what the perfect solution would be.

    Assimilating them into the economy and culture instead of segregating >>>>them into their own foreign language communities?

    If they come here legally, yes.


    So just legalize them.


    So just encourage people to come here legally.


    Asylum seekers ARE trying come here legally.




    "I believe in the idea of amnesty for those
    who have put down roots and lived here, even
    though sometime back they may have entered
    illegally"
    Ronald Reagan, granting amnesty to all illegal
    immigrants, 1986

    As was his right as President. Your point?


    A good policy then, a bad policy now?

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Mitchell Holman@21:1/5 to K Wills on Fri Oct 25 12:46:53 2024
    XPost: alt.california, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh

    K Wills <kw63@kw63.kw> wrote in news:qlnmhjlcg7i2ciuf2f2cbmuh4niisnc7hh@ 4ax.com:

    On Thu, 24 Oct 2024 17:34:27 +0000, Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com>
    wrote:

    Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in news:671a51f4$1$14 >>$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:

    In article <XnsB21550B5E6845629555@185.151.15.190>, noemail@aol.com
    says...

    K Wills <kw63@kw63.kw> wrote in
    news:8b0khjhgodsq4urmbptof9g51rdc1pr22f@4ax.com:

    On Wed, 23 Oct 2024 23:02:28 -0400, Governor Swill
    <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tue, 22 Oct 2024 02:56:27 -0500, K Wills <kw63@kw63.kw> wrote:

    On Mon, 21 Oct 2024 13:03:05 +0000, Mitchell Holman
    <noemail@aol.com>
    wrote:

    [...]

    It did almost zero to stop illegal immigration.


    And the alternative plan is....?

    Reinstate the Trump policies Joe Biden rescinded on day one
    because they were working.


    Trump policies.....like his wall?

    LOL!



    People are climbing over Trump's border
    wall with $5 ladders, report says
    Apr 22 2020

    So they couldn't just walk through?
    A wall isn't a perfect solution, but it's better than
    nothing.
    For the record, I don't know what the perfect solution would be.

    Assimilating them into the economy and culture instead of
    segregating
    them into their own foreign language communities?

    If they come here legally, yes.


    So just legalize them.
    Nope. If they cross anywhere besides a legal point they are breaking
    the
    law. Send them back.


    At $10,000 each.

    Who is going to pay that?

    Whoever is paying to deport people now.
    Hint: That's the tax payers.


    Conservatives: Government is spending too much money.

    Also Conservatives: Government needs to spend MORE money.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Skeeter@21:1/5 to All on Fri Oct 25 07:31:35 2024
    XPost: alt.california, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh

    In article <XnsB215D0A7F6CD6629555@185.151.15.190>, noemail@aol.com
    says...

    Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in news:671abb84$4$2761$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:

    In article <XnsB2157F6F4FDB4629555@185.151.15.190>, noemail@aol.com
    says...

    Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in news:671a51f4$1$14
    $882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:

    In article <XnsB21550B5E6845629555@185.151.15.190>, noemail@aol.com
    says...

    K Wills <kw63@kw63.kw> wrote in
    news:8b0khjhgodsq4urmbptof9g51rdc1pr22f@4ax.com:

    On Wed, 23 Oct 2024 23:02:28 -0400, Governor Swill
    <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tue, 22 Oct 2024 02:56:27 -0500, K Wills <kw63@kw63.kw>
    wrote:

    On Mon, 21 Oct 2024 13:03:05 +0000, Mitchell Holman
    <noemail@aol.com>
    wrote:

    [...]

    It did almost zero to stop illegal immigration.


    And the alternative plan is....?

    Reinstate the Trump policies Joe Biden rescinded on day one
    because they were working.


    Trump policies.....like his wall?

    LOL!



    People are climbing over Trump's border
    wall with $5 ladders, report says
    Apr 22 2020

    So they couldn't just walk through?
    A wall isn't a perfect solution, but it's better than
    nothing.
    For the record, I don't know what the perfect solution would
    be.

    Assimilating them into the economy and culture instead of
    segregating
    them into their own foreign language communities?

    If they come here legally, yes.


    So just legalize them.
    Nope. If they cross anywhere besides a legal point they are
    breaking
    the
    law. Send them back.



    At $10,000 each.

    Who is going to pay that?

    You don't mind feeding and housing them.


    I don't mind seeing doing the tough
    jobs Americans don't want.

    Answer the question.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Skeeter@21:1/5 to All on Fri Oct 25 07:33:05 2024
    XPost: alt.california, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh

    In article <XnsB2164E1226E9C629555@185.151.15.190>, noemail@aol.com
    says...

    K Wills <kw63@kw63.kw> wrote in news:6knmhjhgugp9qpste52rcqvhj4nt1kd7kt@ 4ax.com:

    On Thu, 24 Oct 2024 12:57:11 +0000, Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com> wrote:

    Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in >>news:q3ejhj1dh373g85acipm4dr9coo9v0pl5a@4ax.com:

    On Tue, 22 Oct 2024 02:56:27 -0500, K Wills <kw63@kw63.kw> wrote:

    On Mon, 21 Oct 2024 13:03:05 +0000, Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com> >>>>wrote:

    [...]

    It did almost zero to stop illegal immigration.


    And the alternative plan is....?

    Reinstate the Trump policies Joe Biden rescinded on day one
    because
    they were working.


    Trump policies.....like his wall?

    LOL!



    People are climbing over Trump's border
    wall with $5 ladders, report says
    Apr 22 2020

    So they couldn't just walk through?
    A wall isn't a perfect solution, but it's better than nothing. >>>>For the record, I don't know what the perfect solution would be.

    Assimilating them into the economy and culture instead of segregating
    them into their own foreign language communities?


    Some of us remember the xenophobic outrage
    when Ford settled thousands of Vietnamese
    refugees across America. Five years their new
    neighbors grew to like them, appreciated their
    hard work, and just accepted them as neighbors.

    But they were, and are, here legally. Legal aliens doesn't appear
    to be the issue.


    They are "polluting our blood", says Trump.

    Do you support the gangs coming here because we don't know who they are?

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Skeeter@21:1/5 to All on Fri Oct 25 07:34:46 2024
    XPost: alt.california, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh

    In article <XnsB2164E68132AC629555@185.151.15.190>, noemail@aol.com
    says...

    K Wills <kw63@kw63.kw> wrote in news:sknmhjl48kdeh8ghp4004qkel3m25p85v4@ 4ax.com:

    On Thu, 24 Oct 2024 12:58:52 +0000, Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com> wrote:

    K Wills <kw63@kw63.kw> wrote in >>news:8b0khjhgodsq4urmbptof9g51rdc1pr22f@4ax.com:

    On Wed, 23 Oct 2024 23:02:28 -0400, Governor Swill
    <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tue, 22 Oct 2024 02:56:27 -0500, K Wills <kw63@kw63.kw> wrote:

    On Mon, 21 Oct 2024 13:03:05 +0000, Mitchell Holman
    <noemail@aol.com>
    wrote:

    [...]

    It did almost zero to stop illegal immigration.


    And the alternative plan is....?

    Reinstate the Trump policies Joe Biden rescinded on day one
    because they were working.


    Trump policies.....like his wall?

    LOL!



    People are climbing over Trump's border
    wall with $5 ladders, report says
    Apr 22 2020

    So they couldn't just walk through?
    A wall isn't a perfect solution, but it's better than nothing. >>>>>For the record, I don't know what the perfect solution would be.

    Assimilating them into the economy and culture instead of segregating >>>>them into their own foreign language communities?

    If they come here legally, yes.


    So just legalize them.


    So just encourage people to come here legally.


    Asylum seekers ARE trying come here legally.

    Through legal checkpoints?




    "I believe in the idea of amnesty for those
    who have put down roots and lived here, even
    though sometime back they may have entered
    illegally"
    Ronald Reagan, granting amnesty to all illegal
    immigrants, 1986

    As was his right as President. Your point?


    A good policy then, a bad policy now?

    Gang members and drugs....YAY

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Mitchell Holman@21:1/5 to Skeeter on Fri Oct 25 17:44:37 2024
    XPost: alt.california, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh

    Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in news:671b9d7d$0$2753 $882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:

    In article <XnsB215D0A7F6CD6629555@185.151.15.190>, noemail@aol.com
    says...

    Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in
    news:671abb84$4$2761$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:

    In article <XnsB2157F6F4FDB4629555@185.151.15.190>, noemail@aol.com
    says...

    Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in news:671a51f4$1$14
    $882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:

    In article <XnsB21550B5E6845629555@185.151.15.190>,
    noemail@aol.com
    says...

    K Wills <kw63@kw63.kw> wrote in
    news:8b0khjhgodsq4urmbptof9g51rdc1pr22f@4ax.com:

    On Wed, 23 Oct 2024 23:02:28 -0400, Governor Swill
    <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tue, 22 Oct 2024 02:56:27 -0500, K Wills <kw63@kw63.kw>
    wrote:

    On Mon, 21 Oct 2024 13:03:05 +0000, Mitchell Holman
    <noemail@aol.com>
    wrote:

    [...]

    It did almost zero to stop illegal immigration.


    And the alternative plan is....?

    Reinstate the Trump policies Joe Biden rescinded on day
    one
    because they were working.


    Trump policies.....like his wall?

    LOL!



    People are climbing over Trump's border
    wall with $5 ladders, report says
    Apr 22 2020

    So they couldn't just walk through?
    A wall isn't a perfect solution, but it's better than
    nothing.
    For the record, I don't know what the perfect solution would
    be.

    Assimilating them into the economy and culture instead of
    segregating
    them into their own foreign language communities?

    If they come here legally, yes.


    So just legalize them.
    Nope. If they cross anywhere besides a legal point they are
    breaking
    the
    law. Send them back.



    At $10,000 each.

    Who is going to pay that?

    You don't mind feeding and housing them.


    I don't mind seeing doing the tough
    jobs Americans don't want.

    Answer the question.


    I just did. They don't come here
    for feeding and housing, they come here
    for JOBS.

    The jobs you won't do.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Skeeter@21:1/5 to All on Fri Oct 25 14:49:54 2024
    XPost: alt.california, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh

    In article <XnsB2168128E91D629555@185.151.15.160>, noemail@aol.com
    says...

    Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in news:671b9d7d$0$2753 $882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:

    In article <XnsB215D0A7F6CD6629555@185.151.15.190>, noemail@aol.com
    says...

    Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in
    news:671abb84$4$2761$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:

    In article <XnsB2157F6F4FDB4629555@185.151.15.190>, noemail@aol.com
    says...

    Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in news:671a51f4$1$14
    $882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:

    In article <XnsB21550B5E6845629555@185.151.15.190>,
    noemail@aol.com
    says...

    K Wills <kw63@kw63.kw> wrote in
    news:8b0khjhgodsq4urmbptof9g51rdc1pr22f@4ax.com:

    On Wed, 23 Oct 2024 23:02:28 -0400, Governor Swill
    <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tue, 22 Oct 2024 02:56:27 -0500, K Wills <kw63@kw63.kw>
    wrote:

    On Mon, 21 Oct 2024 13:03:05 +0000, Mitchell Holman
    <noemail@aol.com>
    wrote:

    [...]

    It did almost zero to stop illegal immigration.


    And the alternative plan is....?

    Reinstate the Trump policies Joe Biden rescinded on day
    one
    because they were working.


    Trump policies.....like his wall?

    LOL!



    People are climbing over Trump's border
    wall with $5 ladders, report says
    Apr 22 2020

    So they couldn't just walk through?
    A wall isn't a perfect solution, but it's better than
    nothing.
    For the record, I don't know what the perfect solution would
    be.

    Assimilating them into the economy and culture instead of
    segregating
    them into their own foreign language communities?

    If they come here legally, yes.


    So just legalize them.
    Nope. If they cross anywhere besides a legal point they are
    breaking
    the
    law. Send them back.



    At $10,000 each.

    Who is going to pay that?

    You don't mind feeding and housing them.


    I don't mind seeing doing the tough
    jobs Americans don't want.

    Answer the question.


    I just did. They don't come here
    for feeding and housing, they come here
    for JOBS.

    The jobs you won't do.

    Like raping and killing and taking over apartment buildings?

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Skeeter@21:1/5 to All on Fri Oct 25 19:39:24 2024
    XPost: alt.california, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh

    In article <XnsB216CF8455849629555@185.151.15.160>, noemail@aol.com
    says...

    Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in news:671c0438$7$2758$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:

    In article <XnsB2168128E91D629555@185.151.15.160>, noemail@aol.com
    says...

    Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in news:671b9d7d$0$2753
    $882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:

    In article <XnsB215D0A7F6CD6629555@185.151.15.190>, noemail@aol.com
    says...

    Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in
    news:671abb84$4$2761$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:

    In article <XnsB2157F6F4FDB4629555@185.151.15.190>,
    noemail@aol.com says...

    Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in
    news:671a51f4$1$14 $882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:

    In article <XnsB21550B5E6845629555@185.151.15.190>,
    noemail@aol.com
    says...

    K Wills <kw63@kw63.kw> wrote in
    news:8b0khjhgodsq4urmbptof9g51rdc1pr22f@4ax.com:

    On Wed, 23 Oct 2024 23:02:28 -0400, Governor Swill
    <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tue, 22 Oct 2024 02:56:27 -0500, K Wills <kw63@kw63.kw>
    wrote:

    On Mon, 21 Oct 2024 13:03:05 +0000, Mitchell Holman
    <noemail@aol.com>
    wrote:

    [...]

    It did almost zero to stop illegal immigration.


    And the alternative plan is....?

    Reinstate the Trump policies Joe Biden rescinded on
    day
    one
    because they were working.


    Trump policies.....like his wall?

    LOL!



    People are climbing over Trump's border
    wall with $5 ladders, report says
    Apr 22 2020

    So they couldn't just walk through?
    A wall isn't a perfect solution, but it's better
    than nothing.
    For the record, I don't know what the perfect solution
    would be.

    Assimilating them into the economy and culture instead of
    segregating
    them into their own foreign language communities?

    If they come here legally, yes.


    So just legalize them.
    Nope. If they cross anywhere besides a legal point they are
    breaking
    the
    law. Send them back.



    At $10,000 each.

    Who is going to pay that?

    You don't mind feeding and housing them.


    I don't mind seeing doing the tough
    jobs Americans don't want.

    Answer the question.


    I just did. They don't come here
    for feeding and housing, they come here
    for JOBS.

    The jobs you won't do.

    Like raping and killing and taking over apartment buildings?



    Like feeding you?

    Keep the blinders on.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Mitchell Holman@21:1/5 to Skeeter on Sat Oct 26 01:26:47 2024
    XPost: alt.california, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh

    Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in news:671c0438$7$2758$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:

    In article <XnsB2168128E91D629555@185.151.15.160>, noemail@aol.com
    says...

    Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in news:671b9d7d$0$2753
    $882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:

    In article <XnsB215D0A7F6CD6629555@185.151.15.190>, noemail@aol.com
    says...

    Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in
    news:671abb84$4$2761$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:

    In article <XnsB2157F6F4FDB4629555@185.151.15.190>,
    noemail@aol.com says...

    Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in
    news:671a51f4$1$14 $882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:

    In article <XnsB21550B5E6845629555@185.151.15.190>,
    noemail@aol.com
    says...

    K Wills <kw63@kw63.kw> wrote in
    news:8b0khjhgodsq4urmbptof9g51rdc1pr22f@4ax.com:

    On Wed, 23 Oct 2024 23:02:28 -0400, Governor Swill
    <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tue, 22 Oct 2024 02:56:27 -0500, K Wills <kw63@kw63.kw>
    wrote:

    On Mon, 21 Oct 2024 13:03:05 +0000, Mitchell Holman
    <noemail@aol.com>
    wrote:

    [...]

    It did almost zero to stop illegal immigration.


    And the alternative plan is....?

    Reinstate the Trump policies Joe Biden rescinded on
    day
    one
    because they were working.


    Trump policies.....like his wall?

    LOL!



    People are climbing over Trump's border
    wall with $5 ladders, report says
    Apr 22 2020

    So they couldn't just walk through?
    A wall isn't a perfect solution, but it's better
    than nothing.
    For the record, I don't know what the perfect solution
    would be.

    Assimilating them into the economy and culture instead of
    segregating
    them into their own foreign language communities?

    If they come here legally, yes.


    So just legalize them.
    Nope. If they cross anywhere besides a legal point they are
    breaking
    the
    law. Send them back.



    At $10,000 each.

    Who is going to pay that?

    You don't mind feeding and housing them.


    I don't mind seeing doing the tough
    jobs Americans don't want.

    Answer the question.


    I just did. They don't come here
    for feeding and housing, they come here
    for JOBS.

    The jobs you won't do.

    Like raping and killing and taking over apartment buildings?



    Like feeding you?

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Jamaal Bowman@21:1/5 to Governor Swill on Sat Oct 26 10:04:40 2024
    XPost: alt.california, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.home.repair

    Governor Swill wrote:
    Exactly what I said. She was sent on a diplomatic mission to south of the border to work with heads of state on reducing immigration to the US.

    She succeeded. Illegal immigration from the south is sharply down.

    At least you admit the immigration is illegal.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From K Wills@21:1/5 to skeeterweed@photonmail.com on Wed Oct 30 01:56:59 2024
    XPost: alt.california, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh

    On Tue, 29 Oct 2024 08:00:37 -0600, Skeeter
    <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote:

    In article <XnsB21A5169DF3A2629555@185.151.15.190>, noemail@aol.com
    says...

    K Wills <kw63@kw63.kw> wrote in news:g781ijl81qd3tdffkoi30gg54mqckl7hkr@
    4ax.com:

    On Mon, 28 Oct 2024 13:02:29 +0000, Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com>
    wrote:

    K Wills <kw63@kw63.kw> wrote in
    news:c3kuhj5fpkctl8qjqam3k17fa2g82eteq6@4ax.com:

    On Sun, 27 Oct 2024 12:58:50 -0600, Skeeter
    <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote:

    In article <XnsB21886F2BED49629555@185.151.15.160>, noemail@aol.com
    says...

    K Wills <kw63@kw63.kw> wrote in
    news:6pjshj5hphtno0f540a0l75tbn9fhcj8lr@ 4ax.com:

    On Sat, 26 Oct 2024 14:24:30 +0000, Mitchell Holman
    <noemail@aol.com> wrote:

    [...]

    I just did. They don't come here
    for feeding and housing, they come here
    for JOBS.

    The jobs you won't do.

    If paid a reasonable wage, people would want to do them.
    But
    illegals will work real cheap. And some are willing to get paid
    under the table.

    Americans cannot even be lured to do
    cushy indoor jobs,

    Cite?

    Why Is There a Restaurant Labor Shortage?
    June 25, 2024
    https://www.keznerconsulting.com/restaurant-labor-shortage/


    you really think they
    are going to work in shaughterhouses and
    pick crops and gut chickens?

    Yes. But I see you're in favor of paying a less than living
    wage
    to migrants.


    Is why Trump is hiring so many migrants,
    because he pays them less than a living wage?


    BUTWHATABOUT


    Answer the question.

    Actually, I made a factual statement. Mitchell is in favor of
    paying migrants less than a living wage.


    What do you consider to be a "living wage"
    for day labor jobs?

    Enough to actually live off without the need of assistance.


    And how much is that?

    Go get a job and find out.

    But
    you would rather all migrants be on the dole. I suppose they're easier
    to control that way.

    Evasion noted, no one is talking about
    "the dole". Growers put out a call for harvest
    workers, only migrants show up to do the work.
    Americans don't want to do the hard work, the
    growers have to fly in workers from JAMAICA.

    Legal migrants.

    I noted the same thing. I wonder if Mitchell understand how he
    has undermined his initial position. Probably not.

    [Snip the rest as I have no comment.]

    --
    KWills
    Strategic Writer,
    Psychotronic World Dominator.
    And FEMA camp counselor.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From K Wills@21:1/5 to All on Wed Oct 30 01:55:56 2024
    XPost: alt.california, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh

    On Tue, 29 Oct 2024 13:02:58 +0000, Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com>
    wrote:

    K Wills <kw63@kw63.kw> wrote in news:g781ijl81qd3tdffkoi30gg54mqckl7hkr@ >4ax.com:

    On Mon, 28 Oct 2024 13:02:29 +0000, Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com>
    wrote:

    K Wills <kw63@kw63.kw> wrote in >>>news:c3kuhj5fpkctl8qjqam3k17fa2g82eteq6@4ax.com:

    On Sun, 27 Oct 2024 12:58:50 -0600, Skeeter
    <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote:

    In article <XnsB21886F2BED49629555@185.151.15.160>, noemail@aol.com >>>>>says...

    K Wills <kw63@kw63.kw> wrote in
    news:6pjshj5hphtno0f540a0l75tbn9fhcj8lr@ 4ax.com:

    On Sat, 26 Oct 2024 14:24:30 +0000, Mitchell Holman
    <noemail@aol.com> wrote:

    [...]

    I just did. They don't come here
    for feeding and housing, they come here
    for JOBS.

    The jobs you won't do.

    If paid a reasonable wage, people would want to do them.
    But
    illegals will work real cheap. And some are willing to get paid >>>>>> >>> under the table.


    Americans cannot even be lured to do
    cushy indoor jobs,

    Cite?


    Why Is There a Restaurant Labor Shortage?
    June 25, 2024
    https://www.keznerconsulting.com/restaurant-labor-shortage/



    you really think they
    are going to work in shaughterhouses and
    pick crops and gut chickens?

    Yes. But I see you're in favor of paying a less than living >>>>>> > wage
    to migrants.


    Is why Trump is hiring so many migrants,
    because he pays them less than a living wage?


    BUTWHATABOUT


    Answer the question.

    Actually, I made a factual statement. Mitchell is in favor of
    paying migrants less than a living wage.


    What do you consider to be a "living wage"
    for day labor jobs?

    Enough to actually live off without the need of assistance.


    And how much is that?


    Asked and answered.
    Do you think this for of diversion will actually work? Well, you
    must, really. Why else would you use it?



    But
    you would rather all migrants be on the dole. I suppose they're easier
    to control that way.


    Evasion noted,

    Reversal. I've been waiting for you to make use of this means of diversion. I'm honestly surprised you waited so long.
    BTW, as with every means you've tried, you failed.

    no one is talking about
    "the dole".

    Would you prefer the term welfare? If there is a term you would
    rather use, let me know. The actual wording isn't as important as the
    concept.

    Growers put out a call for harvest
    workers, only migrants show up to do the work.

    Good for them.

    Americans don't want to do the hard work, the
    growers have to fly in workers from JAMAICA.

    Already addressed. Bringing up a matter you already lost isn't
    benefiting you. Honest.
    Note that these are LEGAL immigrants. This actually works to
    destroy your argument about illegal aliens.


    If control isn't the reason you want them on assistance, please
    explain what your motivation is.


    If you had a case to make you would not
    be changing the subject to what you think my
    motivations are.

    I requested you explain your motivation if it is not a desire to
    control migrants. Your inability to offer an alternative means I was
    spot on.
    You're a horrible person!

    --
    KWills
    Strategic Writer,
    Psychotronic World Dominator.
    And FEMA camp counselor.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Mitchell Holman@21:1/5 to K Wills on Wed Oct 30 13:12:03 2024
    XPost: alt.california, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh

    K Wills <kw63@kw63.kw> wrote in news:s2t3ijtj63ofd51m5371qabjo6ae6k4gfe@ 4ax.com:

    On Tue, 29 Oct 2024 13:02:58 +0000, Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com>
    wrote:

    K Wills <kw63@kw63.kw> wrote in
    news:g781ijl81qd3tdffkoi30gg54mqckl7hkr@
    4ax.com:

    On Mon, 28 Oct 2024 13:02:29 +0000, Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com>
    wrote:

    K Wills <kw63@kw63.kw> wrote in >>>>news:c3kuhj5fpkctl8qjqam3k17fa2g82eteq6@4ax.com:

    On Sun, 27 Oct 2024 12:58:50 -0600, Skeeter
    <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote:

    In article <XnsB21886F2BED49629555@185.151.15.160>, noemail@aol.com >>>>>>says...

    K Wills <kw63@kw63.kw> wrote in
    news:6pjshj5hphtno0f540a0l75tbn9fhcj8lr@ 4ax.com:

    On Sat, 26 Oct 2024 14:24:30 +0000, Mitchell Holman
    <noemail@aol.com> wrote:

    [...]

    I just did. They don't come here
    for feeding and housing, they come here
    for JOBS.

    The jobs you won't do.

    If paid a reasonable wage, people would want to do them. >>>>>>> >>> But
    illegals will work real cheap. And some are willing to get
    paid
    under the table.


    Americans cannot even be lured to do
    cushy indoor jobs,

    Cite?


    Why Is There a Restaurant Labor Shortage?
    June 25, 2024
    https://www.keznerconsulting.com/restaurant-labor-shortage/



    you really think they
    are going to work in shaughterhouses and
    pick crops and gut chickens?

    Yes. But I see you're in favor of paying a less than
    living
    wage
    to migrants.


    Is why Trump is hiring so many migrants,
    because he pays them less than a living wage?


    BUTWHATABOUT


    Answer the question.

    Actually, I made a factual statement. Mitchell is in favor of
    paying migrants less than a living wage.


    What do you consider to be a "living wage"
    for day labor jobs?

    Enough to actually live off without the need of assistance.


    And how much is that?


    Asked and answered.


    Still waiting.


    Do you think this for of diversion will actually work? Well, you
    must, really. Why else would you use it?



    But
    you would rather all migrants be on the dole. I suppose they're
    easier
    to control that way.


    Evasion noted,

    Reversal. I've been waiting for you to make use of this means of diversion. I'm honestly surprised you waited so long.
    BTW, as with every means you've tried, you failed.

    no one is talking about
    "the dole".

    Would you prefer the term welfare? If there is a term you would
    rather use, let me know. The actual wording isn't as important as the concept.


    What immigrants are coming here
    "for the dole"?



    Growers put out a call for harvest
    workers, only migrants show up to do the work.

    Good for them.

    Americans don't want to do the hard work, the
    growers have to fly in workers from JAMAICA.

    Already addressed. Bringing up a matter you already lost isn't benefiting you. Honest.
    Note that these are LEGAL immigrants. This actually works to
    destroy your argument about illegal aliens.


    Since you deleted the article without
    reading it you didn't see the part about
    Jamaicans being seasonal workers, NOT
    IMMIGRANTS.

    They are flown here by the growers,
    they do the work Americans refuse to do,
    then they are flown home again.





    If control isn't the reason you want them on assistance, please
    explain what your motivation is.


    If you had a case to make you would not
    be changing the subject to what you think my
    motivations are.

    I requested you explain your motivation


    ....because you cannot address the issue.



    if it is not a desire to
    control migrants. Your inability to offer an alternative means I was
    spot on.


    This is so typical of conservatives.
    When they cannot answer a question they
    launch personal attacks on the person
    asking.

    "Kamala's father was a Marxist!"

    "The judge is a Mexican!"

    "Blood coming from her whatever"

    "When did she chose to be black"

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Skeeter@21:1/5 to All on Wed Oct 30 07:55:07 2024
    XPost: alt.california, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh

    In article <XnsB21B52F475FE7629555@185.151.15.160>, noemail@aol.com
    says...

    K Wills <kw63@kw63.kw> wrote in news:s2t3ijtj63ofd51m5371qabjo6ae6k4gfe@ 4ax.com:

    On Tue, 29 Oct 2024 13:02:58 +0000, Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com> wrote:

    K Wills <kw63@kw63.kw> wrote in
    news:g781ijl81qd3tdffkoi30gg54mqckl7hkr@
    4ax.com:

    On Mon, 28 Oct 2024 13:02:29 +0000, Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com>
    wrote:

    K Wills <kw63@kw63.kw> wrote in >>>>news:c3kuhj5fpkctl8qjqam3k17fa2g82eteq6@4ax.com:

    On Sun, 27 Oct 2024 12:58:50 -0600, Skeeter
    <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote:

    In article <XnsB21886F2BED49629555@185.151.15.160>, noemail@aol.com >>>>>>says...

    K Wills <kw63@kw63.kw> wrote in
    news:6pjshj5hphtno0f540a0l75tbn9fhcj8lr@ 4ax.com:

    On Sat, 26 Oct 2024 14:24:30 +0000, Mitchell Holman
    <noemail@aol.com> wrote:

    [...]

    I just did. They don't come here
    for feeding and housing, they come here
    for JOBS.

    The jobs you won't do.

    If paid a reasonable wage, people would want to do them. >>>>>>> >>> But
    illegals will work real cheap. And some are willing to get
    paid
    under the table.


    Americans cannot even be lured to do
    cushy indoor jobs,

    Cite?


    Why Is There a Restaurant Labor Shortage?
    June 25, 2024
    https://www.keznerconsulting.com/restaurant-labor-shortage/



    you really think they
    are going to work in shaughterhouses and
    pick crops and gut chickens?

    Yes. But I see you're in favor of paying a less than
    living
    wage
    to migrants.


    Is why Trump is hiring so many migrants,
    because he pays them less than a living wage?


    BUTWHATABOUT


    Answer the question.

    Actually, I made a factual statement. Mitchell is in favor of >>>>> paying migrants less than a living wage.


    What do you consider to be a "living wage"
    for day labor jobs?

    Enough to actually live off without the need of assistance.


    And how much is that?


    Asked and answered.


    Still waiting.


    Do you think this for of diversion will actually work? Well, you
    must, really. Why else would you use it?



    But
    you would rather all migrants be on the dole. I suppose they're
    easier
    to control that way.


    Evasion noted,

    Reversal. I've been waiting for you to make use of this means of diversion. I'm honestly surprised you waited so long.
    BTW, as with every means you've tried, you failed.

    no one is talking about
    "the dole".

    Would you prefer the term welfare? If there is a term you would
    rather use, let me know. The actual wording isn't as important as the concept.


    What immigrants are coming here
    "for the dole"?



    Growers put out a call for harvest
    workers, only migrants show up to do the work.

    Good for them.

    Americans don't want to do the hard work, the
    growers have to fly in workers from JAMAICA.

    Already addressed. Bringing up a matter you already lost isn't benefiting you. Honest.
    Note that these are LEGAL immigrants. This actually works to
    destroy your argument about illegal aliens.


    Since you deleted the article without
    reading it you didn't see the part about
    Jamaicans being seasonal workers, NOT
    IMMIGRANTS.

    They are flown here by the growers,
    they do the work Americans refuse to do,
    then they are flown home again.

    Legally.





    If control isn't the reason you want them on assistance, please
    explain what your motivation is.


    If you had a case to make you would not
    be changing the subject to what you think my
    motivations are.

    I requested you explain your motivation


    ....because you cannot address the issue.



    if it is not a desire to
    control migrants. Your inability to offer an alternative means I was
    spot on.


    This is so typical of conservatives.
    When they cannot answer a question they
    launch personal attacks on the person
    asking.

    Oh the irony.

    "Kamala's father was a Marxist!"

    "The judge is a Mexican!"

    "Blood coming from her whatever"

    "When did she chose to be black"














    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Mitchell Holman@21:1/5 to K Wills on Wed Oct 30 13:25:43 2024
    XPost: alt.california, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh

    K Wills <kw63@kw63.kw> wrote in news:75t3ij5olmv6rruiq29fdmemrknhcdl74k@4ax.com:

    On Tue, 29 Oct 2024 08:00:37 -0600, Skeeter
    <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote:

    In article <XnsB21A5169DF3A2629555@185.151.15.190>, noemail@aol.com
    says...

    K Wills <kw63@kw63.kw> wrote in
    news:g781ijl81qd3tdffkoi30gg54mqckl7hkr@ 4ax.com:

    On Mon, 28 Oct 2024 13:02:29 +0000, Mitchell Holman
    <noemail@aol.com> wrote:

    K Wills <kw63@kw63.kw> wrote in
    news:c3kuhj5fpkctl8qjqam3k17fa2g82eteq6@4ax.com:

    On Sun, 27 Oct 2024 12:58:50 -0600, Skeeter
    <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote:

    In article <XnsB21886F2BED49629555@185.151.15.160>,
    noemail@aol.com says...

    K Wills <kw63@kw63.kw> wrote in
    news:6pjshj5hphtno0f540a0l75tbn9fhcj8lr@ 4ax.com:

    On Sat, 26 Oct 2024 14:24:30 +0000, Mitchell Holman
    <noemail@aol.com> wrote:

    [...]

    I just did. They don't come here
    for feeding and housing, they come here
    for JOBS.

    The jobs you won't do.

    If paid a reasonable wage, people would want to do
    them. But
    illegals will work real cheap. And some are willing to get
    paid under the table.

    Americans cannot even be lured to do
    cushy indoor jobs,

    Cite?

    Why Is There a Restaurant Labor Shortage?
    June 25, 2024
    https://www.keznerconsulting.com/restaurant-labor-shortage/


    you really think they
    are going to work in shaughterhouses and
    pick crops and gut chickens?

    Yes. But I see you're in favor of paying a less than
    living wage
    to migrants.


    Is why Trump is hiring so many migrants,
    because he pays them less than a living wage?


    BUTWHATABOUT


    Answer the question.

    Actually, I made a factual statement. Mitchell is in favor
    of
    paying migrants less than a living wage.


    What do you consider to be a "living wage"
    for day labor jobs?

    Enough to actually live off without the need of assistance.


    And how much is that?

    Go get a job and find out.

    But
    you would rather all migrants be on the dole. I suppose they're
    easier to control that way.

    Evasion noted, no one is talking about
    "the dole". Growers put out a call for harvest
    workers, only migrants show up to do the work.
    Americans don't want to do the hard work, the
    growers have to fly in workers from JAMAICA.

    Legal migrants.

    I noted the same thing.


    No, you didn't.

    The Jamaicans are SEASONAL WORKERS,
    NOT MIGRANTS.

    Dang, you people are just incapable
    of dealing with facts.


    "The 100 Jamaican workers come over on the
    H2A work visas in April and most will stay
    until December, Owen Jarmoc said.

    Their accommodation is paid for, so they focus
    on the laborious work in the tobacco fields
    ----> until they return home <----- with more
    savings than they could earn on their island,
    according to multiple workers."

    https://money.yahoo.com/hundreds-jamaican-migrant-workers-arrive- 100000551.html


    I wonder if Mitchell understand how he
    has undermined his initial position. Probably not.

    [Snip the rest as I have no comment.]

    --
    KWills
    Strategic Writer,
    Psychotronic World Dominator.
    And FEMA camp counselor.


    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Skeeter@21:1/5 to All on Wed Oct 30 07:53:57 2024
    XPost: alt.california, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh

    In article <XnsB21B55456BA0E629555@185.151.15.190>, noemail@aol.com
    says...

    K Wills <kw63@kw63.kw> wrote in news:75t3ij5olmv6rruiq29fdmemrknhcdl74k@4ax.com:

    On Tue, 29 Oct 2024 08:00:37 -0600, Skeeter
    <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote:

    In article <XnsB21A5169DF3A2629555@185.151.15.190>, noemail@aol.com >>says...

    K Wills <kw63@kw63.kw> wrote in
    news:g781ijl81qd3tdffkoi30gg54mqckl7hkr@ 4ax.com:

    On Mon, 28 Oct 2024 13:02:29 +0000, Mitchell Holman
    <noemail@aol.com> wrote:

    K Wills <kw63@kw63.kw> wrote in
    news:c3kuhj5fpkctl8qjqam3k17fa2g82eteq6@4ax.com:

    On Sun, 27 Oct 2024 12:58:50 -0600, Skeeter
    <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote:

    In article <XnsB21886F2BED49629555@185.151.15.160>,
    noemail@aol.com says...

    K Wills <kw63@kw63.kw> wrote in
    news:6pjshj5hphtno0f540a0l75tbn9fhcj8lr@ 4ax.com:

    On Sat, 26 Oct 2024 14:24:30 +0000, Mitchell Holman
    <noemail@aol.com> wrote:

    [...]

    I just did. They don't come here
    for feeding and housing, they come here
    for JOBS.

    The jobs you won't do.

    If paid a reasonable wage, people would want to do
    them. But
    illegals will work real cheap. And some are willing to get
    paid under the table.

    Americans cannot even be lured to do
    cushy indoor jobs,

    Cite?

    Why Is There a Restaurant Labor Shortage?
    June 25, 2024
    https://www.keznerconsulting.com/restaurant-labor-shortage/


    you really think they
    are going to work in shaughterhouses and
    pick crops and gut chickens?

    Yes. But I see you're in favor of paying a less than
    living wage
    to migrants.


    Is why Trump is hiring so many migrants,
    because he pays them less than a living wage?


    BUTWHATABOUT


    Answer the question.

    Actually, I made a factual statement. Mitchell is in favor
    of
    paying migrants less than a living wage.


    What do you consider to be a "living wage"
    for day labor jobs?

    Enough to actually live off without the need of assistance.


    And how much is that?

    Go get a job and find out.

    But
    you would rather all migrants be on the dole. I suppose they're
    easier to control that way.

    Evasion noted, no one is talking about
    "the dole". Growers put out a call for harvest
    workers, only migrants show up to do the work.
    Americans don't want to do the hard work, the
    growers have to fly in workers from JAMAICA.

    Legal migrants.

    I noted the same thing.


    No, you didn't.

    The Jamaicans are SEASONAL WORKERS,
    NOT MIGRANTS.

    They are still legal.

    Dang, you people are just incapable
    of dealing with facts.


    "The 100 Jamaican workers come over on the
    H2A work visas in April and most will stay
    until December, Owen Jarmoc said.

    Their accommodation is paid for, so they focus
    on the laborious work in the tobacco fields
    ----> until they return home <----- with more
    savings than they could earn on their island,
    according to multiple workers."

    https://money.yahoo.com/hundreds-jamaican-migrant-workers-arrive- 100000551.html


    I wonder if Mitchell understand how he
    has undermined his initial position. Probably not.

    [Snip the rest as I have no comment.]

    --
    KWills
    Strategic Writer,
    Psychotronic World Dominator.
    And FEMA camp counselor.


    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From hells bells@21:1/5 to K Wills on Wed Oct 30 09:16:37 2024
    XPost: alt.california, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh

    On 10/30/2024 2:56 AM, K Wills wrote:
    [Snip the rest as I have no comment.]
    Please explain this:


    https://casetext.com/case/state-v-wills-26

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Mitchell Holman@21:1/5 to hells bells on Wed Oct 30 17:44:35 2024
    XPost: alt.california, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh

    hells bells <acdc@invalid.nospam> wrote in news:vftik5$26psu$7@dont-
    email.me:

    On 10/30/2024 2:55 AM, K Wills wrote:
    Reversal. I've been waiting for you to make use of this means of
    diversion. I'm honestly surprised you waited so long.
    BTW, as with every means you've tried, you failed.
    Please explain this:


    https://casetext.com/case/state-v-wills-26



    Ouch.

    Good call..........

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Mitchell Holman@21:1/5 to Skeeter on Wed Oct 30 17:42:00 2024
    XPost: alt.california, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh

    Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in news:67223a36$4$2758 $882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:

    In article <XnsB21B55456BA0E629555@185.151.15.190>, noemail@aol.com
    says...

    K Wills <kw63@kw63.kw> wrote in
    news:75t3ij5olmv6rruiq29fdmemrknhcdl74k@4ax.com:

    On Tue, 29 Oct 2024 08:00:37 -0600, Skeeter
    <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote:

    In article <XnsB21A5169DF3A2629555@185.151.15.190>, noemail@aol.com
    says...

    K Wills <kw63@kw63.kw> wrote in
    news:g781ijl81qd3tdffkoi30gg54mqckl7hkr@ 4ax.com:

    On Mon, 28 Oct 2024 13:02:29 +0000, Mitchell Holman
    <noemail@aol.com> wrote:

    K Wills <kw63@kw63.kw> wrote in
    news:c3kuhj5fpkctl8qjqam3k17fa2g82eteq6@4ax.com:

    On Sun, 27 Oct 2024 12:58:50 -0600, Skeeter
    <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote:

    In article <XnsB21886F2BED49629555@185.151.15.160>,
    noemail@aol.com says...

    K Wills <kw63@kw63.kw> wrote in
    news:6pjshj5hphtno0f540a0l75tbn9fhcj8lr@ 4ax.com:

    On Sat, 26 Oct 2024 14:24:30 +0000, Mitchell Holman
    <noemail@aol.com> wrote:

    [...]

    I just did. They don't come here
    for feeding and housing, they come here
    for JOBS.

    The jobs you won't do.

    If paid a reasonable wage, people would want to do
    them. But
    illegals will work real cheap. And some are willing to
    get
    paid under the table.

    Americans cannot even be lured to do
    cushy indoor jobs,

    Cite?

    Why Is There a Restaurant Labor Shortage?
    June 25, 2024
    https://www.keznerconsulting.com/restaurant-labor-shortage/


    you really think they
    are going to work in shaughterhouses and
    pick crops and gut chickens?

    Yes. But I see you're in favor of paying a less than
    living wage
    to migrants.


    Is why Trump is hiring so many migrants,
    because he pays them less than a living wage?


    BUTWHATABOUT


    Answer the question.

    Actually, I made a factual statement. Mitchell is in
    favor
    of
    paying migrants less than a living wage.


    What do you consider to be a "living wage"
    for day labor jobs?

    Enough to actually live off without the need of assistance.


    And how much is that?

    Go get a job and find out.

    But
    you would rather all migrants be on the dole. I suppose they're
    easier to control that way.

    Evasion noted, no one is talking about
    "the dole". Growers put out a call for harvest
    workers, only migrants show up to do the work.
    Americans don't want to do the hard work, the
    growers have to fly in workers from JAMAICA.

    Legal migrants.

    I noted the same thing.


    No, you didn't.

    The Jamaicans are SEASONAL WORKERS,
    NOT MIGRANTS.

    They are still legal.


    No one said they weren't.

    Fact remains America depends on
    foreign labor to do the work Americans
    won't.

    Even Trump knows that.



    TrumpÆs Mar-a-Lago Club applies
    to hire 70 foreign workers
    July 20 2017
    http://tinyurl.com/y8kzhre7



    Mar-A-Lago Sought 380 Foreign Workers
    Jum 14 2023
    https://tinyurl.com/4pxwm536



    TrumpÆs Companies Hired 192 Foreign
    Workers Last Year As He Railed Against
    Immigrants
    January 17, 2019.
    https://tinyurl.com/tyft92pc






    Dang, you people are just incapable
    of dealing with facts.


    "The 100 Jamaican workers come over on the
    H2A work visas in April and most will stay
    until December, Owen Jarmoc said.

    Their accommodation is paid for, so they focus
    on the laborious work in the tobacco fields
    ----> until they return home <----- with more
    savings than they could earn on their island,
    according to multiple workers."

    https://money.yahoo.com/hundreds-jamaican-migrant-workers-arrive-
    100000551.html


    I wonder if Mitchell understand how he
    has undermined his initial position. Probably not.

    [Snip the rest as I have no comment.]

    --
    KWills
    Strategic Writer,
    Psychotronic World Dominator.
    And FEMA camp counselor.





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  • From Skeeter@21:1/5 to All on Wed Oct 30 13:02:52 2024
    XPost: alt.california, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh

    In article <XnsB21B80B8CD786629555@185.151.15.160>, noemail@aol.com
    says...

    Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in news:67223a36$4$2758 $882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:

    In article <XnsB21B55456BA0E629555@185.151.15.190>, noemail@aol.com
    says...

    K Wills <kw63@kw63.kw> wrote in
    news:75t3ij5olmv6rruiq29fdmemrknhcdl74k@4ax.com:

    On Tue, 29 Oct 2024 08:00:37 -0600, Skeeter
    <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote:

    In article <XnsB21A5169DF3A2629555@185.151.15.190>, noemail@aol.com
    says...

    K Wills <kw63@kw63.kw> wrote in
    news:g781ijl81qd3tdffkoi30gg54mqckl7hkr@ 4ax.com:

    On Mon, 28 Oct 2024 13:02:29 +0000, Mitchell Holman
    <noemail@aol.com> wrote:

    K Wills <kw63@kw63.kw> wrote in
    news:c3kuhj5fpkctl8qjqam3k17fa2g82eteq6@4ax.com:

    On Sun, 27 Oct 2024 12:58:50 -0600, Skeeter
    <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote:

    In article <XnsB21886F2BED49629555@185.151.15.160>,
    noemail@aol.com says...

    K Wills <kw63@kw63.kw> wrote in
    news:6pjshj5hphtno0f540a0l75tbn9fhcj8lr@ 4ax.com:

    On Sat, 26 Oct 2024 14:24:30 +0000, Mitchell Holman
    <noemail@aol.com> wrote:

    [...]

    I just did. They don't come here
    for feeding and housing, they come here
    for JOBS.

    The jobs you won't do.

    If paid a reasonable wage, people would want to do
    them. But
    illegals will work real cheap. And some are willing to
    get
    paid under the table.

    Americans cannot even be lured to do
    cushy indoor jobs,

    Cite?

    Why Is There a Restaurant Labor Shortage?
    June 25, 2024
    https://www.keznerconsulting.com/restaurant-labor-shortage/


    you really think they
    are going to work in shaughterhouses and
    pick crops and gut chickens?

    Yes. But I see you're in favor of paying a less than
    living wage
    to migrants.


    Is why Trump is hiring so many migrants,
    because he pays them less than a living wage?


    BUTWHATABOUT


    Answer the question.

    Actually, I made a factual statement. Mitchell is in
    favor
    of
    paying migrants less than a living wage.


    What do you consider to be a "living wage"
    for day labor jobs?

    Enough to actually live off without the need of assistance.


    And how much is that?

    Go get a job and find out.

    But
    you would rather all migrants be on the dole. I suppose they're
    easier to control that way.

    Evasion noted, no one is talking about
    "the dole". Growers put out a call for harvest
    workers, only migrants show up to do the work.
    Americans don't want to do the hard work, the
    growers have to fly in workers from JAMAICA.

    Legal migrants.

    I noted the same thing.


    No, you didn't.

    The Jamaicans are SEASONAL WORKERS,
    NOT MIGRANTS.

    They are still legal.


    No one said they weren't.

    Fact remains America depends on
    foreign labor to do the work Americans
    won't.

    Even Trump knows that.


    Fine, then use legal ones. Problem solved.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Citizen Winston Smith@21:1/5 to Governor Swill on Sat Nov 2 13:46:00 2024
    XPost: alt.california, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.politics.trump
    XPost: alt.california, alt.politics.elections

    On 11/2/2024 12:02 AM, Governor Swill wrote:
    Tariffs are a regressive tax. Regressive taxation hinders economic expansion.

    One f the greatest revenue generaters and economic success engines of
    this republic came from tariffs.

    RUDEY!

    https://prosperousamerica.org/economic-view-tariff-jumping-investment-the-success-of-the-2018-washing-machine-tariffs/


    Key Points
    The 2018-2023 washing machine tariffs led to a larger, more competitive U.S.-based residential washer industry, including the creation of over
    2,000 new jobs at two Korean-owned companies which opened U.S.
    manufacturing facilities in the southern U.S.
    Washing machine prices are now below pre-tariff levels, and prices have
    risen less than consumer inflation, demonstrating that after a six-month flurry, tariffs had little to no effect on washing machine prices.
    The success of the washing machine tariffs shows that “tariff-jumping investment,” i.e. inducing domestic industry growth via tariffs is a
    viable strategy for the U.S. in industries that have suffered decline.
    In January 2018, President Donald Trump imposed tariffs of 20% to 50% on
    large residential washing machines. The tariffs expired in February
    2023. Six years later, we can make an assessment: the tariffs created
    over 2,000 jobs and provided economic growth for the two communities
    where Korean appliance makers built factories. They also provided
    economic support for Whirlpool, the leading U.S.-headquartered appliance
    maker and employer of 23,000 Americans, as well as GE Appliances, which
    is today Chinese-owned and employs 16,000 Americans at Louisville,
    Kentucky and other facilities.

    Further, washing machine prices, which temporarily surged in the first
    half of 2018, came back to earth in 2019 and have continued to rise significantly less than inflation since. Tariff opponents in the media
    and the academic economist community continue to repeat the falsehood
    that tariffs raised washing machine prices when over any timeframe other
    than a few months, tariffs have had no visible impact on washing machine prices.

    In 2013, the Obama administration imposed tariffs on imported washing
    machines from South Korea. This led the Korean producers to shift
    production for the U.S. market to China, which led to another
    anti-dumping investigation by the U.S. International Trade Commission.
    That investigation published a finding in December 2016 that Chinese
    washing machines benefited from subsidies (“anti-dumping margins” in the formal lingo) of 44.28% and recommended duties at that level. The Trump administration, with U.S. Trade Representative Robert Lighthizer as the
    driving force, decided instead to impose global duties or tariffs on all imported large residential washing machines, whatever their source. The
    duties, imposed in January 2018, started at 20% and once the quota of
    1.2 million imported washers was reached, rose to 50%.

    For years, the two large importers, Samsung and LG Electronics, had
    opposed any import restrictions. But once those tariffs were in place,
    the Korean manufacturers quickly changed their tune.

    In 2018, LG Electronics completed an investment of $360 million in a new “smart factory” in Clarksville, Tennessee. LG hired 700 employees and
    began building washing machines there. In April 2021, it announced that
    it had produced 1 million washing machines at Clarksville. It said it
    was investing a further $20.5 million and hiring 300 more employees, to
    bring its Clarksville headcount to “about 1,000.” In December 2022, LG announced three new model washing machines capitalizing on the trend
    towards energy-efficient and “smart” (i.e. Internet-enabled) appliances. Those new models are all to be made in Clarksville.

    Buck Dellinger, CEO of the Clarksville Industrial Development Board,
    told us that LG Electronics is one of a number of large companies that
    have chosen to build facilities in the Clarksville industrial park.
    Clarksville set up the industrial park 22 years ago to build up an
    industrial base to offer alternative employment in case the nearby Fort Campbell army base reduced its presence in the area. In the last five
    years, the industrial park has added 4,514 direct jobs, and a total of
    7,236 including indirect jobs, Dellinger said. Indirect jobs include
    suppliers to the companies in the industrial park, and service companies serving employees such as restaurants and convenience stores. In the ten
    years to 2022, Clarksville’s average salary grew 77%, as compared to the
    U.S. growth rate of 62%. With 177,000 residents, Clarksville is adding population at over 3% a year and is now Tennessee’s fifth largest city,
    right behind Chattanooga.

    “We’re ecstatic to have LG Electronics in the region,” said Buck Dellinger. “Advanced manufacturing helps to give us low unemployment, a
    high workforce participation rate, and a young workforce.” Dellinger
    recently returned from a trip to South Korea where he met with LG
    executives. “They are a very stable company, and take good care of their employees. They have enough land here to quadruple their operation and
    we hope they do.”

    It’s a similar story in Newberry, South Carolina, where Samsung built an appliance facility in 2018. In 2017, recognizing that the Trump
    administration was determined to clamp down on washer imports, Samsung announced plans to invest $350 million to build a manufacturing facility
    in Newberry, South Carolina with 1,000 employees. In 2020, Samsung
    invested an additional $120 million to expand the facility, which now
    employs 1,200.

    Newberry is a smaller, more rural and agricultural area than
    Clarksville. Located 40 miles northwest of Columbia, Newberry County’s population is just 38,000. Samsung is one of only two manufacturers in
    the county with more than 1,000 employees. The other is a food
    processing company. As a relatively high-tech appliance manufacturer
    that designs as well as manufactures products, Samsung has had a
    significant impact on business, jobs, and prosperity in Newberry County. According to a local news report last October, the “Samsung effect” in Newberry has contributed to investment in new housing developments, new restaurants and other new businesses in the area. The report quoted John Worthington, Executive Chef at local restaurant Figaro the Dining Room,
    who said: “with these bigger corporations like Samsung coming in,
    they’re bringing in good-paying jobs which makes the economy and the
    town better.” Figaro is currently advertising for employees.

    Consumer Prices
    The greatest myth about tariffs is that they lead directly to a
    one-for-one increase in consumer prices of the tariffed goods. The price
    effect of tariffs depends on the competitive dynamics of the industry
    that is tariffed, the weight of the level of imports in domestic
    consumption, and other variables. The U.S. International Trade
    Commission found in a detailed study published last year that across a
    range of industries, the various tariffs imposed by the Trump
    administration led to price increases in the domestic market for the
    tariffed goods worth between 10% and 20% of the headline rate of tariff.
    In other words, a 25% tariff would lead to U.S. price increases in the
    tariffed sector of between 2.5% to 5%. We summarized that study’s
    findings here.

    The market reactions to the 2018 tariffs on residential washers was
    typical of another trend often observed after tariff imposition. In
    early 2018, washing machine prices shot up as the market, fearing high
    prices and potential shortages, sought to build up inventories. Between
    January 2018, when the tariffs were imposed, and June, the Bureau of
    Labor Statistics’ price index for laundry equipment rose by 12.4%, a
    large jump. However in the next 14 months, the index tumbled by 10.7%,
    until it was at almost the same level (91.1) as it was in January 2018.
    In short, sanity returned to the market, and all participants, from the manufacturers to the distributors to the retailers, saw that the tariffs
    would have almost no effect on the U.S. retail price for washers.

    Table 1 tells the story. We look at three key price indicators, the
    consumer price index for laundry equipment, the index for new auto
    vehicles, and the broad consumer price index for all goods and services,
    known by its BLS acronym CPI-U. We compare the price changes between
    January 2018, the month when washer tariffs became effective, and two
    years later, January 2020, right before the Covid pandemic and shutdown
    began to impact prices and production.

    Over this two-year timeframe, the broad CPI rose by 4.1%, the new
    vehicle index inched up by just 0.2%…and the laundry equipment index
    fell by 2.1%! During this time, the residential washer industry (roughly
    half of total laundry equipment) had a tariff imposed on it of 20% to
    50%, while the new vehicle industry had no new tariffs imposed on it
    (Chinese vehicles did have new tariffs, but they were and are a trivial
    part of U.S. imports). Most imported new vehicles pay a tariff of 2.5%,
    except those from Canada and Mexico which come in duty-free. And yet,
    new vehicle prices rose more than laundry equipment prices!

    Table 1. Washing machine prices fell slightly in the two years after
    tariff imposition.

    Sector Price Index Jan 2018 Price Index Jan 2020 % change % change,
    annual rate
    Consumer Price Index (CPI-U) 247.867 257.971 4.1% 2.0%
    Consumer prices-laundry equipment 90.708 88.843 -2.1% -1.0%
    Consumer prices-new vehicles 146.996 147.253 0.2% 0.1%
    Notes: CPI-U is BLS code CUUR0000SA0; CPI-Laundry equipment is
    CUSR0000SS30021. New vehicles is CUUR0000SETA01.
    Clearly, tariffs play a minor role in price movements for laundry
    equipment, as for most other goods tariffed by the Trump administration. Tariffs do of course add to the cost of imported manufactured goods. But
    prices charged to consumers are determined by many factors and tariffs
    tend not to be high on the list. In an oligopolistic, branded-goods
    industry like residential washers, where there are only a handful of competitors in the mass market, hitting sales targets and increasing
    market share tend to be more important than short-term profitability. In
    other words, for a competitive company, be it domestic like Whirlpool,
    or imported like Bosch, or imported-transformed-into-domestic like
    Samsung, holding onto market share is often the most important corporate objective. Another critical objective is maintaining the loyalty of the
    vital channel to the consumer, which includes large retailers like Home
    Depot. Winning floor space at Home Depot, and maintaining consumer
    loyalty, can be badly disrupted by a sudden price increase, whether it
    can be blamed on tariffs or any external factor.

    In the long term, businesses must recover all their costs and tariffs,
    if permanent, can influence prices. But in the short to medium term,
    especially when there are numerous domestic competitors in the market, competition will often prevent companies from raising prices to recover
    tariff costs.

    In April 2019, two University of Chicago economists and one Federal
    Reserve economist published a study[1] on washing machine prices after
    the 2018 tariff which found that the tariffs caused an 11% increase in
    the price of washers, and, strangely, a similar increase in the price of
    dryers (which were not tariffed). Unsurprisingly, the authors chose a
    narrow period of pricing data to look at, specifically those months when
    washer price levels were at their highest. Here is their conclusion, in
    their own words: “…the price of washers jumps by around 11 percent in
    the period four to eight months following the application of these tariffs.”[2] The authors do not explain why they chose a “four to eight” month period to study. The obvious conclusion is that this is the period
    for which their regression equations generated the largest
    tariff-related price increase.

    The CPI for laundry equipment peaked at 102 in June 2018. By December
    2019, it was down to 89.3, slightly below the pre-tariff level of 90.7
    in January 2018. So the Flaaen, Hortacsu, Tintelnot article was
    effectively obsolete eight months after its April 2019 publication.

    That has not stopped the many tariff opponents in the mainstream media
    from citing the article as evidence that tariffs raised washer
    prices[3]. None of these media outlets has to our knowledge, revisited
    the topic to attempt to understand why washer prices fell so rapidly
    after their rise in the first half of 2018. On the contrary, they have continued to tell and re-tell the fiction of tariffs causing
    double-digit washer price rises. As recently as January 2024, the Wall
    Street Journal cited the Flaaen, Hortacsu, Tintelnot’s “11.5%” rise in washer prices in mid-2018 without noting that the number was obsolete by
    the end of 2019.

    Many readers will dismiss such studies and media coverage as simply
    further evidence of the anti-tariff bias of the academic economics
    community and the mainstream media. Yet for economists, I believe the
    problem is deeper than that. For at least half a century, U.S. academic economists have been focused on building crudely simplified models that
    can hold true across decades and across many industries, essentially by
    leaving out many important variables and making broad unrealistic
    assumptions. They then endeavor to “validate” those models with
    statistical analysis. This simplistic approach was largely pioneered by
    MIT economist Paul Samuelson, who christened such models “toy models.”
    The use of “toy models” and statistical analysis gives academic
    economics a bias towards simplistic, unrealistic conclusions based not
    on genuine knowledge of how industry works but instead on clever
    manipulation of statistics and data to prove seemingly generalized, but
    largely fictional, results.

    In 2020, economist and Nobel laureate George Akerlof published “Sins of Omission and the Practice of Economics”,[4] an article highly critical
    of the economics profession, arguing that most economists are too
    divorced from the real world. “Only 3 percent of economists thought it
    `very important’ for their success to `have a thorough knowledge of the economy’,”[5] he wrote, citing an earlier poll of economics graduate students. He said “Economics PhD. programs are trying to train students
    to become productive researchers, not to teach them about the
    economy.”[6] “Research” in this context means primarily statistical studies with powerful modern computers where almost any proposition can
    be validated by carefully selecting the variables and time periods that
    go into the analysis. Akerlof advocated an overhaul of the teaching of economics and the processes by which the most influential academic
    journals select and edit articles as steps to bring economics back to
    contact with the real world and understanding the forces driving our
    economy. So far, his critique has been largely ignored.

    Industrial economics is one area that has suffered badly from the rise
    of the “toy model” approach. Its heyday was the 1920s and the study of individual industries has declined consistently since then. Economists
    today generally know little of how industry really works and refuse to
    learn. Figure 1 below shows the evolution of prices for laundry
    equipment, new vehicles, and the broad CPI-U from 2016 to November 2023.
    It can be seen clearly that laundry equipment prices are much more
    volatile than the other two variables. The price volatility is likely
    related to the decisions of distributors to build or reduce inventory in response to ever-changing expectations of sales or product availability. Further the price rises that began in 2020 show that the Covid pandemic,
    by making it difficult and unpredictable to source parts or products
    from across the Pacific, unleashed much greater price increases than
    anything related to tariffs.

    Figure 1. Laundry equipment prices fell in the two years after tariffs
    were imposed, while the CPI and the price index for new vehicles both
    rose in that period.





    Tariff-Jumping Investment
    Finally, it should be noted that by incentivizing both LG Electronics
    and Samsung to open and then expand manufacturing facilities in the
    U.S., the U.S. achieved the best of both worlds: the tariffs led to the creation of more U.S.-based competitors, with more jobs, more
    competition, and more product innovation done here, while only a
    minority of washers purchased here were affected by tariffs.

    Economists in the developing world have a phrase for this phenomenon: tariff-jumping investments. For developing countries, with large
    domestic markets, high tariffs can be an effective means of
    incentivizing international companies to locate production within a
    country’s borders. Badri Narayanan, currently a Fellow and formerly the
    Head of Trade and Commerce at prime minister Narendra Modi’s policy
    planning think tank NITI Aayog, and an Affiliate Professor at Boston
    College, points out that high tariffs on automobiles, combined with low
    tariffs on auto parts and investment liberalization, has enabled India
    to build a large and successful domestic automotive industry that is
    truly global. In 2022, global auto trade association OICA figures show
    India built 5.46 million vehicles, ranking fourth in the world, ahead of Germany and South Korea.

    The same principle can apply to the U.S., which although not a
    developing country, has lost much of its industrial base. Today, the
    U.S. has a larger, more successful, and more competitive residential
    washer industry thanks to the tariffs.

    The goal of industrial policies like targeted tariffs should be to build domestic industries to create growth, investment, employment, and an
    upward trend in worker incomes. Of the two major domestic manufacturers, Whirlpool recently reported modest (1%-2%) growth in its domestic market
    and is exiting foreign markets. In recent reports it stressed to
    investors that its goal is to rein in costs to achieve 10% earnings
    margins. (As a subsidiary of a Chinese multinational, GE Appliance
    reports no financial figures, making it hard to judge its economic performance.) It would not be surprising if either of these companies
    reduced staffing levels in the coming years. But employment count is not
    the critical metric. It’s more critical to have enough companies and competition so the more successful companies are creating jobs even if
    others are losing, and the industry as a whole remains healthy. That has positive effects for the upstream and downstream industries that supply
    the appliance industry and for the economy as a whole.

    [1] Aaron Flaaen, Ali Hortacsu, Felix Tintelnot, The Production,
    Relocation, and Price Effects of US Trade Policy: The Case of Washing
    Machines, BFI Working Paper, Becker Friedman Institute, April 18, 2019, available here.
    [2] Ibid, pg. 18. Full text of the article is available here.
    [3] See Tankersley, Jim, Trump’s Washing Machine Tariffs Stung Consumers While Lifting Corporate Profits, New York Times, April 21, 2019 for an
    early example of such publicity. Article available here.
    [4] George A. Akerlof, Sins of Omission and the Practice of Economics,
    Journal of Economic Literature, 2020, 58(2), pgs. 405-418. Akerlof is
    the husband of Treasury Secretary Janet Yellen.
    [5] Ibid, pg. 411.
    [6] Ibid, pg. 415.

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    Cheer up, maybe someone else will try.

    Swill

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    No. I am a patriotic American who wants the country and its people to
    thrive. Getting rid of Trump permanently
    is an important step to getting there.

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    That constitutes a DEATH THREAT against a former President, Rudey:


    https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/871
    18 U.S. Code § 871 - Threats against President and successors to the Presidency
    U.S. Code
    Notes
    prev | next
    (a)Whoever knowingly and willfully deposits for conveyance in the mail
    or for a delivery from any post office or by any letter carrier any
    letter, paper, writing, print, missive, or document containing any
    threat to take the life of, to kidnap, or to inflict bodily harm upon
    the President of the United States, the President-elect, the Vice
    President or other officer next in the order of succession to the office
    of President of the United States, or the Vice President-elect, or
    knowingly and willfully otherwise makes any such threat against the
    President, President-elect, Vice President or other officer next in the
    order of succession to the office of President, or Vice President-elect,
    shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years,
    or both.
    (b)The terms “President-elect” and “Vice President-elect” as used in this section shall mean such persons as are the apparent successful
    candidates for the offices of President and Vice President,
    respectively, as ascertained from the results of the general elections
    held to determine the electors of President and Vice President in
    accordance with title 3, United States Code, sections 1 and 2. The
    phrase “other officer next in the order of succession to the office of President” as used in this section shall mean the person next in the
    order of succession to act as President in accordance with title 3,
    United States Code, sections 19 and 20.
    (June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 740; June 1, 1955, ch. 115, § 1, 69
    Stat. 80; Pub. L. 87–829, § 1, Oct. 15, 1962, 76 Stat. 956; Pub. L. 97–297, § 2, Oct. 12, 1982, 96 Stat. 1318; Pub. L. 103–322, title XXXIII, § 330016(1)(H), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2147.)

    9-65.200 - Threats Against the President and Successors to the
    Presidency; Threats Against Former Presidents; and Certain Other Secret
    Service Protectees
    The Counterterrorism Section of the National Security Division has
    supervisory authority over 18 U.S.C. §§ 871 and 879 cases. As great
    caution must be taken in matters relating to the security of the persons protected by 18 U.S.C. § 871, United States Attorneys are encouraged to consult with the Counterterrorism Section (CTS) of the National Security Division when they have doubts on the prosecutive merit of a case. For
    the same reason, dismissal of complaints under 18 U.S.C. § 871, when the defendant is in custody under the Mental Incompetency Statutes (18
    U.S.C. §§ 4244, 4246), requires approval from CTS. In other cases,
    United States Attorneys must consult prior to dismissing a count
    involving, or entering into any sentence commitment or other case
    settlement involving a § 871 charge.


    https://www.secretservice.gov/newsroom/releases/2024/01/phoenix-man-arrested-making-online-death-threats-against-president-and

    PHOENIX –David Michael Hanson, 41, of Phoenix, was arrested on Wednesday
    for making online threats against the President and Vice-President.
    Hanson was charged by Federal criminal complaint on Tuesday with five
    counts of Threats Against the President and Successors to the Presidency
    and five counts of Interstate Communication of Threats.

    The complaint alleges that in November and December of 2023, while
    living in Arizona, Hanson used a social media platform to post threats
    to murder the President and Vice President of the United States. On
    November 19, 2023, Hanson posted online a series of threatening
    statements including one that stated, “#joeAndKamala I’m asking you to resign on Monday your alternative is death brutally murdered.” After the
    U.S. Secret Service spoke to Hanson and warned him that it was a Federal
    crime to post such threats, on December 23, 2023, Hanson posted another
    series of similar threats aimed at the President and Vice-President.

    Each count of Threats Against the President and Successors to the
    Presidency carries a maximum sentence of five years in prison, a fine of
    up to $250,000, and up to three years of supervised release. Each count
    of Interstate Communication of Threats carries a maximum sentence of
    five years in prison, a fine of up to $250,000, and up to three years of supervised release.

    A complaint is simply a method by which a person is charged with
    criminal activity and raises no inference of guilt. An individual is
    presumed innocent until evidence is presented to a jury that establishes
    guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.

    The United States Secret Service is conducting the investigation in this
    case. The United States Attorney’s Office, District of Arizona, is
    handling the prosecution.


    Those can be reported here:

    https://tips.fbi.gov/home

    https://www.justice.gov/action-center/report-crime-or-submit-complaint

    https://www.secretservice.gov/contact

    https://www.dhs.gov/see-something-say-something/reporting/california


    Fellow citizens, won't you join in ending Rudey's terrorism here?

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  • From Mitchell Holman@21:1/5 to Skeeter on Thu Oct 31 01:51:00 2024
    XPost: alt.california, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh

    Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in news:672282be$0$3833$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:

    In article <XnsB21B80B8CD786629555@185.151.15.160>, noemail@aol.com
    says...

    Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in news:67223a36$4$2758
    $882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:

    In article <XnsB21B55456BA0E629555@185.151.15.190>, noemail@aol.com
    says...

    K Wills <kw63@kw63.kw> wrote in
    news:75t3ij5olmv6rruiq29fdmemrknhcdl74k@4ax.com:

    On Tue, 29 Oct 2024 08:00:37 -0600, Skeeter
    <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote:

    In article <XnsB21A5169DF3A2629555@185.151.15.190>,
    noemail@aol.com says...

    K Wills <kw63@kw63.kw> wrote in
    news:g781ijl81qd3tdffkoi30gg54mqckl7hkr@ 4ax.com:

    On Mon, 28 Oct 2024 13:02:29 +0000, Mitchell Holman
    <noemail@aol.com> wrote:

    K Wills <kw63@kw63.kw> wrote in
    news:c3kuhj5fpkctl8qjqam3k17fa2g82eteq6@4ax.com:

    On Sun, 27 Oct 2024 12:58:50 -0600, Skeeter
    <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote:

    In article <XnsB21886F2BED49629555@185.151.15.160>,
    noemail@aol.com says...

    K Wills <kw63@kw63.kw> wrote in
    news:6pjshj5hphtno0f540a0l75tbn9fhcj8lr@ 4ax.com:

    On Sat, 26 Oct 2024 14:24:30 +0000, Mitchell Holman
    <noemail@aol.com> wrote:

    [...]

    I just did. They don't come here
    for feeding and housing, they come here
    for JOBS.

    The jobs you won't do.

    If paid a reasonable wage, people would want to
    do them. But
    illegals will work real cheap. And some are willing
    to
    get
    paid under the table.

    Americans cannot even be lured to do
    cushy indoor jobs,

    Cite?

    Why Is There a Restaurant Labor Shortage?
    June 25, 2024
    https://www.keznerconsulting.com/restaurant-labor-shortag
    e/


    you really think they
    are going to work in shaughterhouses and
    pick crops and gut chickens?

    Yes. But I see you're in favor of paying a less
    than living wage
    to migrants.


    Is why Trump is hiring so many migrants,
    because he pays them less than a living wage?


    BUTWHATABOUT


    Answer the question.

    Actually, I made a factual statement. Mitchell is in
    favor
    of
    paying migrants less than a living wage.


    What do you consider to be a "living wage"
    for day labor jobs?

    Enough to actually live off without the need of
    assistance.


    And how much is that?

    Go get a job and find out.

    But
    you would rather all migrants be on the dole. I suppose
    they're easier to control that way.

    Evasion noted, no one is talking about
    "the dole". Growers put out a call for harvest
    workers, only migrants show up to do the work.
    Americans don't want to do the hard work, the
    growers have to fly in workers from JAMAICA.

    Legal migrants.

    I noted the same thing.


    No, you didn't.

    The Jamaicans are SEASONAL WORKERS,
    NOT MIGRANTS.

    They are still legal.


    No one said they weren't.

    Fact remains America depends on
    foreign labor to do the work Americans
    won't.

    Even Trump knows that.


    Fine, then use legal ones. Problem solved.


    So we need more legal immigration.

    Who could oppose that?



    Trump Cuts Legal Immigrants By Half
    Jul 21, 2020

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/stuartanderson/2020/07/21/trump-cuts-legal- immigrants-by-half-and-hes-not-done-yet/




    Trump restricted legal immigration
    May 13, 2024

    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/latino/trump-restrictions-legal-immigration- second-term-rcna151994

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  • From K Wills@21:1/5 to All on Thu Oct 31 01:57:55 2024
    XPost: alt.california, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh

    On Wed, 30 Oct 2024 17:42:00 +0000, Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com>
    wrote:

    [...]

    Legal migrants.

    I noted the same thing.


    No, you didn't.

    The Jamaicans are SEASONAL WORKERS,
    NOT MIGRANTS.

    They are still legal.


    No one said they weren't.

    Fact remains America depends on
    foreign labor to do the work Americans
    won't.

    Even Trump knows that.

    When, in reality, has this been in dispute? While for you the
    issue is immigrants in general, which tells the readers A LOT about
    you, the problem is ILLEGAL immigrants.

    --
    KWills
    Strategic Writer,
    Psychotronic World Dominator.
    And FEMA camp counselor.

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  • From K Wills@21:1/5 to skeeterweed@photonmail.com on Thu Oct 31 01:58:37 2024
    XPost: alt.california, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh

    On Wed, 30 Oct 2024 07:55:07 -0600, Skeeter
    <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote:

    [...]

    This is so typical of conservatives.
    When they cannot answer a question they
    launch personal attacks on the person
    asking.

    Oh the irony.

    I wonder if Mitchell realizes he's just admitted he's a
    conservative?

    --
    KWills
    Strategic Writer,
    Psychotronic World Dominator.
    And FEMA camp counselor.

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  • From K Wills@21:1/5 to governor.swill@gmail.com on Thu Oct 31 01:59:00 2024
    XPost: alt.california, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh

    On Wed, 30 Oct 2024 20:04:50 -0400, Governor Swill
    <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Wed, 30 Oct 2024 09:16:37 -0600, hells bells <acdc@invalid.nospam> wrote:

    On 10/30/2024 2:56 AM, K Wills wrote:
    [Snip the rest as I have no comment.]
    Please explain this:


    https://casetext.com/case/state-v-wills-26

    You explain it.

    He's a troll I bested enough that he had to claim I am someone he
    knows I am not.
    Not that it matters. Even if I were Kent, it has no relevance to
    the discussion.

    --
    KWills
    Strategic Writer,
    Psychotronic World Dominator.
    And FEMA camp counselor.

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  • From hells bells@21:1/5 to K Wills on Thu Oct 31 10:34:48 2024
    XPost: alt.california, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh

    On 10/31/2024 2:59 AM, K Wills wrote:
    Even if I were Kent, it has no relevance to
    the discussion.

    So you're not this Kent Bradley Wills of Iowa and later Arkansas?

    Do tell...

    What happened to Maureen?

    How's Ken Smith doing?

    No more Bob Larson fan group action?

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  • From K Wills@21:1/5 to All on Fri Nov 1 01:56:51 2024
    XPost: alt.california, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh

    On Thu, 31 Oct 2024 10:34:48 -0600, hells bells <acdc@invalid.nospam>
    wrote:

    On 10/31/2024 2:59 AM, K Wills wrote:
    Even if I were Kent, it has no relevance to
    the discussion.

    So you're not this Kent Bradley Wills of Iowa and later Arkansas?

    Do tell...


    Avoidance noted.

    What happened to Maureen?


    She died.

    How's Ken Smith doing?


    I don't know.

    No more Bob Larson fan group action?

    He's a non-issue.

    --
    KWills
    Strategic Writer,
    Psychotronic World Dominator.
    And FEMA camp counselor.

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  • From K Wills@21:1/5 to governor.swill@gmail.com on Fri Nov 1 01:57:36 2024
    XPost: alt.california, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh

    On Thu, 31 Oct 2024 15:55:58 -0400, Governor Swill
    <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Thu, 31 Oct 2024 01:57:55 -0700, K Wills <kw63@kw63.kw> wrote:

    On Wed, 30 Oct 2024 17:42:00 +0000, Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com> >>wrote:

    [...]

    Legal migrants.

    I noted the same thing.


    No, you didn't.

    The Jamaicans are SEASONAL WORKERS,
    NOT MIGRANTS.

    They are still legal.

    No one said they weren't.

    Fact remains America depends on
    foreign labor to do the work Americans
    won't.

    Even Trump knows that.

    When, in reality, has this been in dispute? While for you the
    issue is immigrants in general, which tells the readers A LOT about
    you, the problem is ILLEGAL immigrants.

    No, actually, it's not.

    Yes, it is.

    It has been proven to you that Trump cut LEGAL
    immigration.

    Not in dispute.

    Further, the solution to ILLEGAL immigration is simple. Expand
    the quotas and lower educational and skills training to allow low skilled >workers to come here and build a better life with an expectation of a future.

    I agree. Have them be LEGAL.
    Your point?

    --
    KWills
    Strategic Writer,
    Psychotronic World Dominator.
    And FEMA camp counselor.

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  • From K Wills@21:1/5 to governor.swill@gmail.com on Fri Nov 1 01:58:14 2024
    XPost: alt.california, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh

    On Thu, 31 Oct 2024 15:58:08 -0400, Governor Swill
    <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Thu, 31 Oct 2024 01:59:00 -0700, K Wills <kw63@kw63.kw> wrote:

    On Wed, 30 Oct 2024 20:04:50 -0400, Governor Swill >><governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Wed, 30 Oct 2024 09:16:37 -0600, hells bells <acdc@invalid.nospam> wrote: >>>
    On 10/30/2024 2:56 AM, K Wills wrote:
    [Snip the rest as I have no comment.]
    Please explain this:


    https://casetext.com/case/state-v-wills-26

    You explain it.

    He's a troll I bested enough that he had to claim I am someone he >>knows I am not.
    Not that it matters. Even if I were Kent, it has no relevance to
    the discussion.

    My first thought on reading that document was, "How many people are there named,
    "Wills" who have an initial, "K", assuming that's your real name?"


    My real, legal name does start with K. You probably don't care
    enough to look, but my real, legal name was doxxed years ago in
    alt.conspiracy. Along with my having lived in the greater Los Angeles
    area since 1998.

    I guess he's still trying to troll you.

    I just wish I knew what I did to embarrass him so much. I don't
    think I'll ever know. I'll survive.

    --
    KWills
    Strategic Writer,
    Psychotronic World Dominator.
    And FEMA camp counselor.

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  • From clams casino@21:1/5 to Siri Cruise on Thu Nov 14 11:07:48 2024
    XPost: alt.california, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.home.repair

    On 10/21/2024 6:10 AM, Siri Cruise wrote:
    pothead wrote:
    Reinstate the Trump policies Joe Biden rescinded on day one because
    they were working.
    How many times must you be told this?

    And violate the US Code. You demand presidents act illegally.

    You are a serial liar:

    https://constitutioncenter.org/blog/executive-orders-101-what-are-they-and-how-do-presidents-use-them

    Every President since George Washington has used the executive order
    power in various ways. Washington’s first orders were for executive departments to prepare reports for his inspection, and a proclamation
    about the Thanksgiving holiday. After Washington, other Presidents made significant decisions via executive orders and presidential proclamations.

    https://www.heritage.org/political-process/heritage-explains/executive-orders

    Presidential Authority

    Under our system of government, the president’s authority to issue such orders (or to engage in any other form of unilateral executive action)
    must come from the Constitution or federal law. Put another way, an
    executive order can be used to execute a power the commander in chief
    already has. It can’t be used to give the presidency new powers.

    In particular, Article II of the Constitution assigns the president the
    roles of commander in chief, head of state, chief law enforcement
    officer, and head of the executive branch. The president has the sole constitutional obligation to “take care that the laws be faithfully executed,” and is granted broad discretion over federal law enforcement decisions.

    “He has not only the power, but also the responsibility to see that the Constitution and laws are interpreted correctly,” Heritage Foundation
    scholar Todd Gaziano wrote in 2001.

    When the president lawfully exercises one of these responsibilities,
    scholars generally agree, the scope of his authority to issue executive
    orders and other directives is especially broad. As such, Congress has
    little ability to regulate or limit that authority.

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  • From Mitchell Holman@21:1/5 to clams casino on Thu Nov 14 18:59:07 2024
    XPost: alt.california, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.home.repair

    clams casino <cc@invalid.cc> wrote in news:vh5e9j$2u3k2$4@dont-email.me:

    On 10/21/2024 6:10 AM, Siri Cruise wrote:
    pothead wrote:
    Reinstate the Trump policies Joe Biden rescinded on day one because
    they were working.
    How many times must you be told this?

    And violate the US Code. You demand presidents act illegally.

    You are a serial liar:

    https://constitutioncenter.org/blog/executive-orders-101-what-are-they- and-how-do-presidents-use-them

    Every President since George Washington has used the executive order
    power in various ways. WashingtonΓÇÖs first orders were for executive departments to prepare reports for his inspection, and a proclamation
    about the Thanksgiving holiday. After Washington, other Presidents
    made significant decisions via executive orders and presidential proclamations.

    https://www.heritage.org/political-process/heritage-explains/executive- orders



    Trump think EO's are an abuse of authority....



    "The country wasn't based on executive orders.
    Right now, Obama goes around signing executive
    orders. He can't even get along with the Democrats,
    and he goes around signing all these executive
    orders. It's a basic disaster. You can't do it."
    Donald Trump, Feb 2016
    https://tinyurl.com/y22ha52a



    ......except when HE issues them.



    Trump outstripping Obama on pace of executive orders
    October 19, 2019

    WASHINGTON (AP) ù It wasnÆt too long ago that
    Donald Trump derided presidential executive
    orders as "power grabs" and a "basic disaster."

    HeÆs switched sides in a big way: In each year
    of his presidency, he has issued more executive
    orders than did former President Barack Obama
    during the same time span. He surpassed ObamaÆs
    third-year total just recently.
    https://tinyurl.com/y9oxqywy

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  • From clams casino@21:1/5 to Mitchell Holman on Thu Nov 14 12:33:08 2024
    XPost: alt.california, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.home.repair

    On 11/14/2024 11:59 AM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
    clams casino <cc@invalid.cc> wrote in news:vh5e9j$2u3k2$4@dont-email.me:

    On 10/21/2024 6:10 AM, Siri Cruise wrote:
    pothead wrote:
    Reinstate the Trump policies Joe Biden rescinded on day one because
    they were working.
    How many times must you be told this?

    And violate the US Code. You demand presidents act illegally.

    You are a serial liar:

    https://constitutioncenter.org/blog/executive-orders-101-what-are-they-
    and-how-do-presidents-use-them

    Every President since George Washington has used the executive order
    power in various ways. Washingtonā€™s first orders were for executive >> departments to prepare reports for his inspection, and a proclamation
    about the Thanksgiving holiday. After Washington, other Presidents
    made significant decisions via executive orders and presidential
    proclamations.

    https://www.heritage.org/political-process/heritage-explains/executive-
    orders



    Trump think EO's are an abuse of authority....




    ......except when HE issues them.


    He's right, Obammy's were communism by fiat.

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  • From Siri Cruise@21:1/5 to clams casino on Thu Nov 14 15:31:28 2024
    XPost: alt.california, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.home.repair

    clams casino wrote:
    On 10/21/2024 6:10 AM, Siri Cruise wrote:
    pothead wrote:
    Reinstate the Trump policies Joe Biden rescinded on day one
    because they were working.
    How many times must you be told this?

    And violate the US Code. You demand presidents act illegally.

    You are a serial liar:

    https://constitutioncenter.org/blog/executive-orders-101-what-are-they-and-how-do-presidents-use-them


    Every President since George Washington has used the executive
    order power in various ways. Washington’s first orders were for
    executive departments to prepare reports for his inspection, and a proclamation about the Thanksgiving holiday. After Washington,
    other Presidents made significant decisions via executive orders
    and presidential proclamations.

    https://www.heritage.org/political-process/heritage-explains/executive-orders


     Presidential Authority

    Under our system of government, the president’s authority to issue
    such orders (or to engage in any other form of unilateral
    executive action) must come from the Constitution or federal law.
    Put another way, an executive order can be used to execute a power
    the commander in chief already has. It can’t be used to give the
    presidency new powers.

    Federal law is the US Code. The US Code allows asylum requests
    which are then handled in due process.

    There is nothing in US Code to deny or even throttled asylum
    requests. idjt had been using a part of the Code, but courts ruled
    those conditions no longer exists so that part is no longer
    enforceable.

    Biden's EO is illegal and currently working its way through the
    courts.

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  • From clams casino@21:1/5 to Siri Cruise on Thu Nov 14 16:46:33 2024
    XPost: alt.california, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.home.repair

    On 11/14/2024 4:31 PM, Siri Cruise wrote:
    clams casino wrote:
    On 10/21/2024 6:10 AM, Siri Cruise wrote:
    pothead wrote:
    Reinstate the Trump policies Joe Biden rescinded on day one because
    they were working.
    How many times must you be told this?

    And violate the US Code. You demand presidents act illegally.

    You are a serial liar:

    https://constitutioncenter.org/blog/executive-orders-101-what-are-they-and-how-do-presidents-use-them

    Every President since George Washington has used the executive order
    power in various ways. Washington’s first orders were for executive
    departments to prepare reports for his inspection, and a proclamation
    about the Thanksgiving holiday. After Washington, other Presidents
    made significant decisions via executive orders and presidential
    proclamations.

    https://www.heritage.org/political-process/heritage-explains/executive-orders

      Presidential Authority

    Under our system of government, the president’s authority to issue
    such orders (or to engage in any other form of unilateral executive
    action) must come from the Constitution or federal law. Put another
    way, an executive order can be used to execute a power the commander
    in chief already has. It can’t be used to give the presidency new powers.

    Federal law is the US Code.

    The US Code is not he Constitution.

    The US Code allows asylum requests which are
    then handled in due process.

    The Constitution controls - always:

    https://constitution.congress.gov/browse/essay/amdt5-6-2-2/ALDE_00013725/

    Amdt5.6.2.2 Exclusion of Aliens Seeking Entry into the United States
    Fifth Amendment:

    No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous
    crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in
    cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in
    actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be
    subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or
    limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness
    against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without
    due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use,
    without just compensation.

    According to the Supreme Court, aliens seeking initial entry into the
    United States have no constitutional rights regarding their applications
    for admission.1 The Court has reasoned that the government has the
    inherent, sovereign authority to admit or exclude aliens, and that
    aliens standing outside of the geographic boundaries of the United
    States have no vested right to be admitted into the country.2




    There is nothing in US Code to deny or even throttled asylum requests.

    You're a serial liar:

    Amdt5.6.2.2 Exclusion of Aliens Seeking Entry into the United States
    Fifth Amendment:

    No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous
    crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in
    cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in
    actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be
    subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or
    limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness
    against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without
    due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use,
    without just compensation.

    According to the Supreme Court, aliens seeking initial entry into the
    United States have no constitutional rights regarding their applications
    for admission.1 The Court has reasoned that the government has the
    inherent, sovereign authority to admit or exclude aliens, and that
    aliens standing outside of the geographic boundaries of the United
    States have no vested right to be admitted into the country.2


    idjt had been using a part of the Code, but courts ruled those
    conditions no longer exists so that part is no longer enforceable.

    The SCOTUS controls all lower court rulings.

    Biden's EO is illegal and currently working its way through the courts.

    Xiden is irrelevant as of Juan-uary 20th.

    Heh.

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  • From Citizen Winston Smith@21:1/5 to Siri Cruise on Thu Nov 14 16:59:30 2024
    XPost: alt.california, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.home.repair

    On 11/14/2024 4:31 PM, Siri Cruise wrote:
    There is nothing in US Code to deny or even throttled asylum requests.
    idjt had been using a part of the Code, but courts ruled those
    conditions no longer exists so that part is no longer enforceable.

    https://constitution.congress.gov/browse/essay/amdt5-6-2-2/ALDE_00013725/

    Amdt5.6.2.2 Exclusion of Aliens Seeking Entry into the United States

    According to the Supreme Court, aliens seeking initial entry into the
    United States have no constitutional rights regarding their applications
    for admission.1 The Court has reasoned that the government has the
    inherent, sovereign authority to admit or exclude aliens, and that
    aliens standing outside of the geographic boundaries of the United
    States have no vested right to be admitted into the country.2

    Thus, in its 1953 decision in Shaughnessy v. United States ex rel.
    Mezei, the Court held that the government could deny entry to an alien
    without a hearing, notwithstanding the alien’s temporary harborage on
    Ellis Island pending the government’s attempts to remove him from the
    United States.3 More recently, in Department of Homeland Security v. Thuraissigiam, the Court in 2020 rejected an alien’s constitutional
    challenge to a federal statute that limits judicial review of an
    expedited order of removal, reasoning that the alien—who was apprehended shortly after entering the United States unlawfully—could be considered
    to be an applicant for admission at the border.4 In short, for aliens
    seeking admission into the United States, the decision to permit or deny
    entry by an executive or administrative officer, acting within powers
    expressly conferred by Congress, is due process of law.5

    In certain cases, the exclusion of an alien has been seen to implicate
    the rights of U.S. citizens. In its 1972 decision in Kleindienst v.
    Mandel, for example the Supreme Court appeared to recognize that U.S. citizens’ First Amendment rights were affected by the denial of a nonimmigrant visa to a Marxist journalist who had been invited to speak
    in the United States by a group of university professors.6 In Mandel,
    however, the Court also recognized that because the plenary
    congressional power to make policies and rules for exclusion of aliens
    has long been firmly established, the Court would uphold, in the face of
    a constitutional challenge, an alien’s exclusion as long as there is a facially legitimate and bona fide reason for the decision.7 Thus, even
    when reviewing constitutional challenges brought by U.S. citizens, the
    Court has limited the scope of judicial review and adopted a highly
    deferential standard for reviewing the decision to exclude an alien.8

    U.S. citizens have also asserted that the exclusion of an alien has
    impinged upon their due process rights.9 In Kerry v. Din, five Justices
    in 2015 agreed that denying an immigrant visa to the husband of a U.S.
    citizen on the grounds that he was inadmissible under a provision of
    federal immigration law (pertaining to terrorist activities) did not
    violate the due process rights of the U.S. citizen spouse.10 These
    Justices differed in their reasoning, though. A three-Justice plurality
    held that the U.S. citizen spouse had no protected liberty interest
    under the Due Process Clause in her husband’s ability to come to the
    United States, and did not decide whether the government had established
    a facially legitimate and bona fide reason for excluding her husband.11
    A two-Justice concurrence did not reach the question of whether the U.S. citizen wife had asserted a protected liberty interest, but instead
    concluded that the consular officials’ citation of a particular
    statutory ground for inadmissibility as the basis for denying the visa application satisfied due process under Mandel, which requires only that
    the government state a facially legitimate and bona fide reason for the denial.12

    In Trump v. Hawaii, the Supreme Court in 2018 reaffirmed that there is
    limited judicial review of executive decisions to exclude aliens seeking admission from abroad.13 The Court rejected an Establishment Clause
    challenge brought by U.S. citizens and other challengers to a
    presidential proclamation that provided for the exclusion of specified categories of nonresident aliens from mostly Muslim-majority
    countries.14 The Court recognized that decisions concerning the
    admission or exclusion of aliens generally lie beyond the scope of
    judicial review, and are subject only to a highly constrained judicial
    inquiry when an exclusion allegedly burdens the constitutional rights of
    a U.S. citizen.15 The Court upheld the proclamation, ruling that it was rationally related to the stated government objective of protecting
    national security by excluding aliens from countries with deficient information-sharing practices.16

    In its 2024 decision in Dep’t of State v. Muñoz, the Supreme Court ruled that a U.S. citizen lacks a constitutionally protected liberty interest
    in her noncitizen spouse’s admission into the United States.17 Justice Barrett, writing for five members of the majority, explained that the
    Fifth Amendment’s Due Process Clause provides heightened protection
    against government interference with certain fundamental rights and
    liberty interests.18 Nonetheless, the Court determined that a U.S.
    citizen’s asserted right to have her noncitizen spouse admitted into the United States so that he could reside with her did not qualify as a
    fundamental liberty interest.19 In reversing the lower court’s judgment
    to the contrary, the Court concluded that such a right was not deeply
    rooted in this Nation’s history and tradition because the federal
    government had long exercised the sovereign power to set the terms
    governing the admission and exclusion of noncitizens without granting
    spouses a right to immigrate.20 Consequently, because the U.S. citizen
    lacked a fundamental liberty interest that would allow her to invoke an exception to the doctrine of consular nonreviewability, the State Department’s denial of her husband’s visa application was not subject to judicial review.21

    https://www.justice.gov/archives/jm/criminal-resource-manual-1911-8-usc-1325-unlawful-entry-failure-depart-fleeing-immigration

    1911. 8 U.S.C. 1325 -- Unlawful Entry, Failure To Depart, Fleeing
    Immigration Checkpoints, Marriage Fraud, Commercial Enterprise Fraud
    Section 1325 sets forth criminal offenses relating to (1) improper entry
    into the United States by an alien, (2) entry into marriage for the
    purpose of evading immigration laws, and (3) establishing a commercial enterprise for the purpose of evading immigration laws. The Illegal
    Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act (IIRIRA) amended 8
    U.S.C. § 1325 to provide that an alien apprehended while entering or attempting to enter the United States at a time or place other than as designated by immigration officers shall be subject to a civil penalty.

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  • From hells bells@21:1/5 to K Wills on Fri Nov 1 09:00:09 2024
    XPost: alt.california, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh

    On 11/1/2024 2:58 AM, K Wills wrote:
    I don't
    think I'll ever know. I'll survive.

    --
    Please explain this:


    https://casetext.com/case/state-v-wills-26

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  • From hells bells@21:1/5 to K Wills on Fri Nov 1 08:59:49 2024
    XPost: alt.california, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh

    On 11/1/2024 2:58 AM, K Wills wrote:
    I happen to like things like maintained roads
    Please explain this:


    https://casetext.com/case/state-v-wills-26

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  • From hells bells@21:1/5 to Governor Swill on Fri Nov 1 09:01:21 2024
    XPost: alt.california, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh

    On 10/31/2024 1:59 PM, Governor Swill wrote:
    On Thu, 31 Oct 2024 10:34:48 -0600, hells bells <acdc@invalid.nospam> wrote:

    On 10/31/2024 2:59 AM, K Wills wrote:
    Even if I were Kent, it has no relevance to
    the discussion.

    So you're not this Kent Bradley Wills of Iowa and later Arkansas?

    Do tell...

    What happened to Maureen?

    How's Ken Smith doing?

    No more Bob Larson fan group action?

    You're either trolling on doxxing. Neither is acceptable.

    Welcome to Plonksville! Population, YOU!


    How many dozens of nyms are you running on any given day please?

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