Unless your country has a for-profit prison system and lenient lobbying

>and campaign finance rules.

Looking online it looks like there is some of that in Canada but

>> they said it is mostly invisible, you won't see people in orange
>> jump suits working on the roads or something. Most of it is just
>> working for the prison itself, cleaning and laundry and such, but
>> there is some of it done for outside contractors for profit as well.

I think he meant jails that are run by for-profit companies who get paid by

>the government based on the number of people incarcerated there. They, in
>turn, are motivated to lobby for laws that make it more difficult for
>offenders -- even non-violent ones -- to get out of jail.

Right.. I should have thought of that. We hear about that going on in
the USA. Looking for info on that up here, it said that it was tried
in 3 prisons but all have 'either gone defunct or reverted to gov't
control after they found that other prisons had better security,
better health care, and reduced repeat offender rates'.

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Prison labor in the US is a scam, they end up making pennies on the

> dollar compared to free laborers, and end up doing difficult jobs like
> fighting brush fires.

I wouldn't be surprised if the US republican party isn't thinking of

> prison labor as a replacement for seasonal migrant workers from Mexico.

Yes, I saw some info on that, how they get the dirtiest jobs and are
paid next to nothing for it.

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Right.. I should have thought of that. We hear about that going on in
the USA. Looking for info on that up here, it said that it was tried
in 3 prisons but all have 'either gone defunct or reverted to gov't
control after they found that other prisons had better security,
better health care, and reduced repeat offender rates'.

I think we in the USA could learn a lesson from this experiment.

What I said about businesses in a previous message doesn't always apply to government. If a politician, or group of them, can figure out how to line their own pockets, an idea doesn't have to make good business or government sense to find its way into practice.


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I wouldn't be surprised if the US republican party isn't thinking of

> prison labor as a replacement for seasonal migrant workers from Mexico.

Yes, I saw some info on that, how they get the dirtiest jobs and are
paid next to nothing for it.

Ideally, they are working towards a possible early release. If they can be trusted enough to behave while out working and not cause trouble, that
should earn points towards early parole.

In some cases, I know they are also learning skills that they can use to
gain employment when the get out. Unfortunately, some will use those skills
to grift the unsuspecting, as some of the local "tree trimmer" "businesses" do here.

For-profits, lobbyist, and politicians may be corrupting this system to
where they are not earning points with good behavior while being out on a
labor or work release assignment.


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That reminded me of something I read a couple of years back when they

were going nuts claiming that blacks were vastly discriminated against because even though they only represented under 20% of the population
in New York, they made up 60% of those in prison. Some smart person resonded to that (probably lost their job over it) that they looked
into the crime statistics and that 65% of the crime was done by black people so they were actualy UNDER represented in prison..
When I answered this last night I missed something pretty obvious.

If you have 5 black people and 5 white people found guilty and in jail
then they each make up 50% of the population..

But if, say, the black people are in jail for doing 2 criminal acts
and the whites only 1 then that would mean the blacks make up 50% of
the jail population but had committed 66% of the crimes..

Being guilty of a crime and being convicted of a crime are 2 different things

>ust because more blacks are convicted of crimes doesn't necessarily means mor
>lacks are conducting more crimes. They could just be more likely to be convic
> and incarcerated for more crimes.

But we were talking about people already in prison so they have been
tried and convicted. I was just suggesting how fewer of them in prison
could represent a higher percentage of crimes than their numbers might
suggest. I doubt anyone wants to fill up the prisons with people who
didn't do a crime so we sort of have to assume guilt when they were
tried and found guilty.

It's all wasted talk anyways. Anyone who breaks the law should
have to pay a price for it based on how serious the crime was
and other considerations shouldn't come into it, but often do..

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I wouldn't be surprised if the US republican party isn't thinking of

> prison labor as a replacement for seasonal migrant workers from Mexico.

Yes, I saw some info on that, how they get the dirtiest jobs and are

>> paid next to nothing for it.

Ideally, they are working towards a possible early release. If they can be

>trusted enough to behave while out working and not cause trouble, that
>should earn points towards early parole.

That makes sense. I hadn't thought about early release as much as they
do usually get paid a small wage for the work which gives them some
money to get a start once they get out.

In some cases, I know they are also learning skills that they can use to

>gain employment when the get out. Unfortunately, some will use those skills
>to grift the unsuspecting, as some of the local "tree trimmer" "businesses" d
>here.

Yes on both counts.. learning a skill is always good but a new skill can
be used for good or evil..

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