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On 6/29/24 2:32 PM, Amessyroom wrote:
1: System administrator
2: Developer
3: User
4: Scientist
Professionally, I'm a UNIX / Linux Sr. SysAdmin. HPUX 11.23-11.31, AIX 7.3, Solaris 8-10, and RHEL 4-<current>.
Post Script:
I've been doing this a long time, and I'm still learning stuff on a daily basis.
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I've been doing this a long time, and I'm still learning stuff on a daily basis.
Re: Re: How do you use unix?Wild. I never did punch cards. But in high school we had to enter our code RPG II/COBOL onto 8-inch disks , then the disks were loaded into our IBM System 34 or something similar. And the jobs were ran in batch as you expressed. Wow I remember the waiting, like you said to see if it was going to run or not.
By: Gandolf to Amessyroom on Mon Sep 02 2024 10:11 pm
I've been doing this a long time, and I'm still learning stuff on a daily
basis.
I started my IT carrer since HS. (1980)
Cut my teeth on our timesharing system using a 300baud dialup connection from Kearny NJ to Perth Amboy NJ.
On Tue and Wed a group of us (5) went to the VoTech in Jersey City NJ and we spent 4 hours learning RPG II on punched cards and 8 1/2 inch floppies.
On Tuesday, we prgrammed our cards and they were stored in a box. On Thursday, we would have our print outs waiting for us, hoping the program didn't bomb and we had to spend the time manually debugging errors with each other.
I still have one of the 5 disc CDI discpacks given to me as a momento and a floppy with nothing on the label save for the name of my IBM AS/400 name : "AMPLIBR". We all named our libraries (LIBR) prefixed with our initials.
Wild. I never did punch cards. But in high school we had to enter our code RPG II/COBOL onto 8-inch disks , then the disks were loaded into our IBM System 34 or something similar. And the jobs were ran in batch as you expressed. Wow I remember the waiting, like you said to see if it was going to run or not.
Rixter wrote to KnightMare <=-
I worked at university data center in the 80s and we used the 80 punch cards for student data storage. It was loud and slow.
I started off with Commodore CBM 4032s (similar to a PET) with a
cassette drive in high school, but our teacher brought in an old punch
card data processing system for us all to play with, enter a job on
punch cards and see it run.
We wondered why, he asked us to trust him. Now, I get to say, "When I
started out on Punched Cards..." :)
Smart man, he was.
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...CBM 4032s (similar to a PET)...
Mortar wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
...CBM 4032s (similar to a PET)...
4032s /were/ PETs. The name change was a marketing move to appeal to
the business market, same strategy Tandy used for their TRS-80 Model
III onward.
I worked at university data center in the 80s and we used the 80 punch cards for student data storage. It was loud and slow.
I worked at university data center in the 80s and we used the 80 punch cards for student data storage. It was loud and slow.
In my high school computer class, we took a break from Commodore CBM systems to work on a WANG computer feeding batch jobs on punch cards. When we asked why we had to do it, my teacher said "Trust me, you'll understand some day".
When I was in school, they had typing classes in jr. high and high school, and there was also a programming class in high school as an elective. I too
Looking back, the two classes I wish I took were typing and auto shop.
Looking back, the two classes I wish I took were typing and auto shop.
I still benefit from taking typing in HS. That said, I'm sure you can learn using any of the online typing tutors today. The *main* thing is: don't look at the keyboard, no matter what. This'll slow you down at first, but in the end, you'll be a much faster typist, even with the inevitable mistakes.
In my high school computer class, we took a break from Commodore CBM systems to work on a WANG computer feeding batch jobs
on punch cards. When we asked why we had to do it, my teacher said "Trust me, you'll understand some day".
Now, I get to say "WHY YOU KIDS HAVE IT SO EASY - WHEN I STARTED OUT WE HAD TO FEED BATCHES OF CARDS INTO THE COMPUTER TO
SEE YOUR PROGRAM OUTPUT!"
Re: Re: How do you use unix?
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Nightfox on Tue Dec 17 2024 01:00 pm
Looking back, the two classes I wish I took were typing and auto shop.
I still benefit from taking typing in HS. That said, I'm sure you can
learn
using any of the online typing tutors today. The *main* thing is: don't look at the keyboard, no matter what. This'll slow you down at first, but in the end, you'll be a much faster typist, even with the inevitable mistakes.
I took typing in the 7th or 8th grade. It's probably one of the few
Anyways, I learned on electric typewriters.
The most useful class I ever took was Typing 1a from Mrs. Jean Welch during my first semester in high school. I use what she taught me every single day.
Anyways, I learned on electric typewriters.
A room full of IBM Selectrics. Go old school or go home.
A room full of IBM Selectrics. Go old school or go home....
classroom full of Mac Classics.
Aaron Goldblatt wrote to Nightfox <=-
The newspaper staff raised thousands of dollars for Classics, but the principal stole the money to repaint lockers instead. But I'm not still bitter, over 30 years later. :-)
Is it weird that I remember my high school locker number and combination all these years later?
Now, I get to say "WHY YOU KIDS HAVE IT SO EASY - WHEN I STARTED OUT WE HA EED BATCHES OF CARDS INTO THE COMPUTER TO SEE YOUR PROGRAM OUTPUT!"
Now, I get to say "WHY YOU KIDS HAVE IT SO EASY - WHEN I STARTED OUT WE HA EED BATCHES OF CARDS INTO THE COMPUTER TO SEE YOUR PROGRAM OUTPUT!"
it's no easy, considering that with modern tools and approach, single person can manage significantly larger code base, which is today's struggle.
Re: Re: How do you use unix?Yeah, I've been a fan of this method for a while, doesn't hurt that I started getting into artsy mechianical keebs.
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Nightfox on Tue Dec 17 2024 01:00 pm
I still benefit from taking typing in HS. That said, I'm sure you can learn using any of the online typing tutors today. The *main* thing is: don't look at the keyboard, no matter what. This'll slow you down at first, but in the end, you'll be a much faster typist, even with the inevitable mistakes.
Re: Re: How do you use unix?
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Nightfox on Tue Dec 17 2024 01:00 pm
Looking back, the two classes I wish I took were typing and auto shop.
I don't remember auto shop being offered at my high school. I think it would have been useful, though I didn't get my driver's license or a car until I was 21.
Yeah, because that's what kids need, a one in a billion shot at "making it" and a 1:1,000 chance of getting a concussion. Go Team! All the facilities are still there, they just aren't used.Sorry, way off topic... I'm on Ubuntu22 LTS. ;P
We had Autoshop, Woodworking, Home Economics (full kitchens, taught kids budgeting, cooking, cleaning... you know, stuff they'll use), Photography (B&W, complete with chemicals and dark room), not to mention a world renoun Jazz Band (They got to go to Japan and Monterey Jazz Fests often.) and a 2000+ seat theater.
Today they have NONE of that. What's replaced it? A new football field! Yeah, because that's what kids need, a one in a billion shot at "making it" and a 1:1,000 chance of getting a concussion. Go Team! All the facilities are still there, they just aren't used.
Re: Re: How do you use unix?
By: Digital Man to poindexter FORTRAN on Tue Dec 17 2024 01:45 pm
Re: Re: How do you use unix?
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Nightfox on Tue Dec 17 2024 01:00 pm
I still benefit from taking typing in HS. That said, I'm sure you can learn using any of the online typing tutors today. The *main* thing is: don't look at the keyboard, no matter what. This'll slow you down at first, but in the end, you'll be a much faster typist, even with the inevitable mistakes.Yeah, I've been a fan of this method for a while, doesn't hurt that I started getting into artsy mechianical keebs.
https://amzn.to/3QokFgW
Android8675 wrote to Digital Man <=-
https://amzn.to/3QokFgW
My newest keeb my boss bought for me as a thank you.
Android8675 wrote to Nightfox <=-
Stuff I got to do:
3 years photography (love)
a year of auto (learned oil changes, tune ups, tire repair, and got to pull an engine out of a 83 Volvo).
poorly) Got to see about 10 different HS productions of various
broadway shows.
My newest keeb my boss bought for me as a thank you.
Were we on a topic of window managers? I've always liked super
lightweight ones like fvwm2, windowmaker, blackbox/fluxbox, etc... but lately after they got rid of that horrible piece of garbage KDE and
replaced it with that new Plasma desktop or whatever it's called, it's pretty nice! Would totally recommend Kubuntu to anyone that wants to
play with Linux.
XFCE is NOT lightweight. It's barely lighter than Gnome 3.
phigan wrote to Android8675 <=-
Were we on a topic of window managers? I've always liked super
lightweight ones like fvwm2, windowmaker, blackbox/fluxbox, etc... but lately after they got rid of that horrible piece of garbage KDE and replaced it with that new Plasma desktop or whatever it's called, it's pretty nice! Would totally recommend Kubuntu to anyone that wants to
play with Linux.
XFCE is NOT lightweight. It's barely lighter than Gnome 3.
XFCE is NOT lightweight. It's barely lighter than Gnome 3.
phigan wrote to Android8675 <=-
Were we on a topic of window managers? I've always liked super
lightweight ones like fvwm2, windowmaker, blackbox/fluxbox, etc... but lately after they got rid of that horrible piece of garbage KDE and replaced it with that new Plasma desktop or whatever it's called, it's pretty nice! Would totally recommend Kubuntu to anyone that wants to
play with Linux.
My newest keeb my boss bought for me as a thank you.
Man, I like mech keybs too, but that one is just way too pricey. In contrast, my daily driver keyboard was $21 total ($12 for the actual keyboard and $9 for some nicer caps). Don't get me wrong, I've spent
over a hundred on ones for older computers, but nothing as high as that one :).
I recently bought a used cheapy 67% mech keyboard and its been my favorite computer upgrade in a LONG time. I love it...
I recently bought a used cheapy 67% mech keyboard and its been my favor computer upgrade in a LONG time. I love it...
I swear by my Logitech MX Master because I need to switch between my
work and home PC. If that changes, I'm going to go so far down the mechanical keyboard rabbithole, so hard.
I swear by my Logitech MX Master because I need to switch between my work and>me PC. If that changes, I'm going to go so far down the mechanical keyboard r
Today they have NONE of that. What's replaced it? A new football field! Yeah, because that's what kids need, a one in a billion shot at "making it" and a 1:1,000 chance of getting a concussion. Go Team! All the facilities are still there, they just aren't used.
I find it odd how much focus they put on sports in school, including college..
anyways, i like the reddragon brand. my old one broke because i spilled soda on it. this is the one i have now. very clicky.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07G11G2X8
i have to have volume control on my keyboards. I don't use macros. I also like having a lit keyboard.
My newest keeb my boss bought for me as a thank you.
Man, I like mech keybs too, but that one is just way too pricey. In contrast, my daily driver keyboard was $21 total ($12 for the actual keyboard and $9 for some nicer caps). Don't get me wrong, I've spent over a hundred on ones for older computers, but nothing as high as that one :).
Were we on a topic of window managers? I've always liked super lightweight ones like fvwm2, windowmaker, blackbox/fluxbox, etc... but lately after they
Stuff I got to do:
3 years photography (love)
I took a photo class at a local junior college after shooting film and digital for 10 years, and loved it. There's something about the process
when you don't see the picture as soon as you shoot it, and you do all
the things you'd do in Photoshop in the dark room that makes pictures
more meaningful to me.
Theater was big in my school, and it's big in my daughter's school -
we've seen some really impressive performances. The kids do all the backstage work, too. I've been trying to steer her to theater since all
of my theater friends in high school ended up being the cool adults, and
are still close many years later.
i have to have volume control on my keyboards. I don't use macros. I also like having a lit keyboard.
Red Dragons are great starters. When you get into the stuff at Drop.com where you can buy a sample set of different switches, pick the ones you like, get a set of high quality keycaps, buy a barebones all aluminum base keyboard with quick swap key sockets (no soldering needed) and a cool coiled usb cable.
Sit back and realize you just spent more money on a "keeb" than your entire piece of shit Dell Inspiron... then you'll know you have an issue.
Just having a base made of aluminum is pretty cool. This keeb could take out a would be attacker, no problem.
I never understood windowsmanagers, I typically just use whatever the distro comes with, but I only have one Linux install at the moment
and it's running headless, so... When I remote in I think it's
running... geez I have no idea. /shame.
MRO wrote to Android8675 <=-
i've had aluminum keyboards and other clicky keyboards. i just need something lighted up and clicky because i'm in the dark.
Android8675 wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
Cabrillo? I did photography there, my teacher had spent time with Ansel Adams and while a wealth of knowledge, he wasn't the best teacher. Made
me feel bad because I didn't have the best artistic vision. Whatever,
got to use a dark room. :)
Android8675 wrote to phigan <=-
I can't use cheap keyboards anymore. those flat chicklet dell keyboards that cost nothing cause my carpal to flare up. Probably the reason I
have bad wrists is because I didn't own a decent keeb until a while
ago.
If money was no object I could easily spend $500 on one keyboard and be thrilled as punch. I'd have to have a system to match though, so
that'll never happen. I can't cheap out on something I spend so many
hours a day using.
I'm looking at a mechanical keyboard for my Atari 800 at the moment.
